Victor Ortiz vs Brandon Rios
Was really hoping it would eventually get made. Build up would have been awesome. Legit beef and total contrast of fight styles. Would have been great.
Hopkins had no problem with fast athletic guys and he beat a bunch of them and only lost his middleweight world title on a debatable decision when he was 40. I think he was a vastly superior fighter than Martinez and would have beat him easily and knocked him out. Hopkins had a 10 year 20 defense run as middleweight champ and only lost when he was 40. Martinez in contrast has many defeats and was defeated by some average guys and knocked out long before he was even near 40. Margarito and Cotto stopped him and even lousy Cintron held him to a draw. He is not in Hopkins's class at all.
Lol, Anyone who says Cintron held him to a draw immediately loses all credibility in their statement.
Edit: And for the record, huge Martinez fanboy, but yes at middleweight, prime hopkins UDs him in an ugly fight.
I do think the Hopkins that fought RJJ loses to him though.
All he's answered is the chin and heart and I don't think people were doubting the heart so much.
Skill is still absent.
I still got him to beat AJ though if it happens.
The mistake you all are making is that you're judging all this on 6 rounds. Hardly definitive. Would Rigo have figured out the counter in time? Who knows now? And it's not like Loma was really beating him up in there. All he really had was an excellent Jab.
Probably would have won him the fight, but who knows what could have happened in the last 6 rounds.
Truth. People can't use the "he runs doe" excuse now either. He stands and trades.
The one criticism you can level on him, is that he doesn't go for the finish and is content outbox to a UD.
He arguably hasn't lost and that he should have lost to Molina is bullshit.
Lara is legit.
I would have to imagine that someone getting into the ring with prime Roy Jones would have known they fucked up.
Kovalev had that scary aura for a bit.
Vitali definitely had it. Scary calculating, terminator mofo.
What is out working? I can throw a thousand punches and land 2 and I won the round? this is a chess match!
Fully agree brother. Thats why the "looked like" was in quotes as Castano wasn't outworking him at all. Castano was getting rocked and his head popped back each round.
Castano had a good left to the body. Everything else he was trying was just not landing.
Lara was kind of schooling his throughout the fight, even the rounds that "looked like" Castano was outworking him.
Hmm you must of missed reading the post I responded to. The poster was saying that Golovkin ducked Martinez which is not true. I was pointing that out to him.
Fair enough.
Chávez JR barely won the fight against Zbick , and a year after he fought Martínez.
Man, you can't talk with me about mexican boxing.
Chávez jR never had a prime, Martínez was lucky yo fight with a popular bum only because his name.
JR always was a sh.it, he barely won against Cuello, and Canelo destroyed Cuello easily and stopped him in 6.
Brian Vera deserved the win against JR.
JR looked like sh.it against Rubio
Man, that was not a good win.
And the catchweight was fair, Canelo gained 10 pounds, Jr only cutted 3.
And JR was in his best shape according to him and Don Nacho, he trained very well and a lot of people here in México were saying that Jr would beat Nelo.
Nelo never outboxed GGG in the first fight, Canelo has not an impressive footwork but he has a great defense, better than Martinez, Martínez was akward but always struggled with shots, was dropped a lot of times and took much risk and punishment.
And Canelo has an iron chin, the same shots than GGG landed on Nelo would be too much for Martínez
Come on you know as well as most people on this forum that Lou Dibella said there's no way Martinez is getting in the ring with Golovkin when Golovkin wanted to fight him. I understand that there were more lucrative fights out there for Martinez and he was in his late 30s but the fact is he avoided fighting Golovkin.
Lou Dibella quote.
Who would give a flying ****, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."
Dibella quote #2
"Sergio will be out for at least a year. You saw his last fight, he won it on guts and will and balls alone. He had no knee, he had no hand, and I'm not sending a champion who is 38-years-old - after a year plus layoff - into a ring with this guy. I'm not saying they will never fight. I'm not speaking for Sergio, who is a grown as man and controls his own career. The successor to Sergio Martiknez has already been determined and the next great middleweight is Triple G."
It's understandable why Martinez never fought Golovkin but he plainly didn't want to not the other way around.
Tail end of the career. The thread question was prime for prime. For me that places Martinez at the First Pavlik or Second Pwill fight and places Golovkin at the Lemieux fight.
Martinez wins in that matchup, but hey, my opinion. You're free to have yours, but Martinez not fighting Golovkin at the end of his career is irrelevant to the thread topic.
He struggled with cintron and a ww in williams. Went 12 rds and got a gift against murray.
LOL you obviously never watched the Cintron fight.
He did not get a gift against Murray. You can say Murray won, but you can also say Martinez won. It was close fight and once again, obviously not in his prime.
For those saying Martinez, I want a breakdown of how you think he would beat and possibly stop G.
Here's how I see it.
Prime Martinez was always able to out-jab ortho fighters. Since that's GGG's only tool for keeping fighters with power off him (Canelo, Lemieux), he wouldn't be able to keep Martinez from landing. Martinez' pace is more consistent than Canelo's so he could fight for all of the round. Martinez would trade and GGG just doesn't move his head enough to avoid those awkward angle counters Martinez can throw.
All of that adds up to fast Martinez start with the jabs, a mid-fight surge with GGG scoring a KD, and then a late fight beatdown from Martinez and a UD a-la Pavlik.
Edit: to be fair this isn't a breakdown of a stoppage, as you asked. The man took Canelo bombs without getting dropped. Respect to GGG in that area. It would be doubtful that Martinez would get a KO outside of a monster PWill bomb.
Strongly disagree. There's no one martinez beat that shows me he can even last 6 rds against ggg. When you get koed by margarito and draw with cintron. LOL.
He beat Pavlik. GGG is just another Pavlik, prove me wrong.
Umm GGG never got dropped or struggled with bums unlike pavlik. Has a deeper pedigree, better jab, better defense, better body attack. Even at 37 it took a 27 year old p4p fighter to beat him in a controversial fight. Pavlik has been dominated by hopkins and martinez. GGG never has in any fight. Better in every department. Not even close.
Pavlik had to move up to get dominated by Hopkins. GGG refuses to do so. Other than Hopkins, Pavlik crushed everybody until Martinez.
Deeper Pedigree? What in GGG's resume says he's better than Pavlik, nada. Nice try though.
Yeah, I also noticed guys like Joe Rogan and MMA journalists rarely attack fighters like Kellerman, Jim Gray, Fat Dan, Larry Merchant, ect. Often do. I hate seeing that crap especially after a fighter just fought their hard out.
Oh fuck don't get me started on their commentary. Every UFC fighter with a 7-1 record is a legendary all-time greatest fighter according to them.
Not comparing the sports but comparing the sport's fans, I would say yes, UFC fans are better to their fighters than boxing fans.
I never see name calling like "bum", "coward" from ufc fans.
They also forgive losses more than boxing fans do.