Prime for prime who wins in a fight between golovkin and martinez?

Who are you guys? :lol1: You seem to think i'm a GGG fan or something. haha. I call bs when I see it, and Hopkins resume whilst good is totally overrated. Just the fact that you bring up Glen Johnson, a journeyman, shows you that. history certainly wasn't kind to that win. haha you sound like a casual fan, talking about Johnson like that fyi - Johnson was as tough as they come, and undefeated at the time the Pavlik/Johnson wins were dominating showcase exhibitions against rated opponents..... something that Golovkin has never done Hopkins has GREAT wins/excellent wins, as well as many very-good wins, against rated opponents..... he was a HUGE underdog and completely written-off against Pavlik..... ..... whereas Golovkin mainly has good, with 1 or 2 very-good wins, to his name..... with no signature wins and no career-defining fights that are literally levels apart..... both historically, and as champions comparing Golovkin to Hopkins/Hagler/Monzon used to happen..... back when there were many unanswered questions about Golovkin..... but that is a thing-of-the-past, most of those questions have been answered now and head-to-head, forget it..... Golovkin looked hesitant and non-commital against Jacobs, and against Canelo at times in the rematch..... just like Pavlik did with Hopkins that fight would not have ended well for Gennady, just like the Ward fight I give him very little chance of beating Hopkins, and no chance whatsoever of beating Ward (because of style, not because Ward is greater)..... not even a punchers chance, because Golovkin does not one-punch guys and would be totally outclassed by Ward..... whereas Bernard would possibly offer him more opportunities but was waaaaay too ring-savvy, smart, durable for Golovkin

* SIGH *..... more golov-bullshlt..... Golovkin is a career-middleweight, Martinez was not this is the killer..... Golovkin had a storied amateur career..... Martinez had none despite that fact..... Martinez tried more, and achieved more, than Golovkin ever did Golovkin ran around for SIX YEARS lying about " 154-168 "..... despite that fact Martinez, (like Hopkins, and unlike Bullshltkin) agreed to drop weight for huge money-fights, with Mayweather Pacquiao Cotto and Canelo..... and Golovkin, was not Martinez > Golovkin Danny Jacobs was a huge underdog vs Golovkin, and has done nothing since losing that fight..... neither Pavlik nor Williams were huge underdogs vs Martinez, so both are better wins continues to talk about GGG..... :alcoholic

you guys need to realize that a HUGE pile of " goods " do not equal even 1 "great"..... boxing simply does not work that way..... Who are you guys? :lol1: You seem to think i'm a GGG fan or something. haha. I call bs when I see it, and Hopkins resume whilst good is totally overrated. Just the fact that you bring up Glen Johnson, a journeyman, shows you that. history certainly wasn't kind to that win. haha

Asks a question about Martinez, proceeds to talk about golovkin. Tells you everything really. Golovkin is a small middleweight too. His wins over Jacobs and should be Canelo is better than anything Martinez did. And I was a Martinez fan, but he also fought in a horrible division * SIGH *..... more golov-bullshlt..... Golovkin is a career-middleweight, Martinez was not this is the killer..... Golovkin had a storied amateur career..... Martinez had none despite that fact..... Martinez tried more, and achieved more, than Golovkin ever did Golovkin ran around for SIX YEARS lying about " 154-168 "..... despite that fact Martinez, (like Hopkins, and unlike Bullshltkin) agreed to drop weight for huge money-fights, with Mayweather Pacquiao Cotto and Canelo..... and Golovkin, was not Martinez > Golovkin Danny Jacobs was a huge underdog vs Golovkin, and has done nothing since losing that fight..... neither Pavlik nor Williams were huge underdogs vs Martinez, so both are better wins

Hopkins best win is a welterweight, and a middleweight who he dragged up to light heavyweight. Tarver is a good win. GGG has good wins too. There’s not much difference between the two resumes. Hopkins’ is one of the most overrated resumes of recent times. He has some good wins. But so does GGG. Whilst Hopkins probably does have a better resume, it’s not by that much. p1ss off :lol1: Tarver was a GREAT win, Golovkin has done nothing even close sorry, but you do not get to mention Tarver and Jacobs in the same sentence and then escape with any credibility even Glen Johnson > Golovkin scraping past Danny Jacobs..... who is Golovkin's best win, despite not even having a career-defining win himself you guys need to realize that a HUGE pile of " goods " do not equal even 1 "great"..... boxing simply does not work that way..... there is a HUGE level between Hopkins and Golovkin historically..... and as I mentioned earlier, those guys are clearly not cut from the same cloth Hopkins achieved things that Golovkin was unwilling to even try absurd conversation

FACT: Golovkin's best win is scraping past Danny Jacobs well, who did Jacobs prove his world-class against..... ? FACT: nobody gave Jacobs the slightest chance to beat Golovkin FACT: Jacobs has done nothing since Golovkin, other than a solid win against Derevyanchenko..... putting in less than stellar performances against mid-level opponents like Arias and Sulecki Martinez, was a 154lb'er who was punching above his weight..... so his wins over Pavlik and Williams are MUCH better than Golovkin scraping past the unheralded under-dog Danny Jacobs Asks a question about Martinez, proceeds to talk about golovkin. Tells you everything really. Golovkin is a small middleweight too. His wins over Jacobs and should be Canelo is better than anything Martinez did. And I was a Martinez fan, but he also fought in a horrible division

Tarver, Trinidad, take your pick even his win over the road warrior Johnson is better than anything Golovkin ever did he has strong career-defining wins, and master-class performances over the likes of Pavlik, etc..... their resume's are not even close also, those guys are not cut from the same cloth..... they went about their business completely differently Hopkins entered a sudden-death knockout tourney..... he unified a division by fighting actual champions..... he took short-money..... he gave concessions..... he jumped divisions..... often fighting the best opposition, right into his 40's..... he challenged himself and earned his position within the sport Golovkin is an entitled diva who avoided a LOT more big fights than he took..... even now, after being widely criticized for YEARS for his poor opponent selection, Golovkin is still repaying his fans with second rate fights against no-hoper opponents knowledgeable observers would not mention those guys in the same sentence Hopkins over-achieved, Golovkin under-achieved..... big difference there Hopkins best win is a welterweight, and a middleweight who he dragged up to light heavyweight. Tarver is a good win. GGG has good wins too. There’s not much difference between the two resumes. Hopkins’ is one of the most overrated resumes of recent times. He has some good wins. But so does GGG. Whilst Hopkins probably does have a better resume, it’s not by that much.

And GGG was in his prime against Canelo and Jacobs? Read the thread title again, prime GGG fought at a higher tempo. I dont think Martinez was even in his prime when fighting at 160, would be a good fight but if Margarito can wear down and eventually KO are Martinez you know GGG would Martinez was a green rookie when he fought cheato the question was..... prime Martinez, the best version Sergio learned on the job, and he learned really fast

Great breakdown and something that often gets overlooked with martinez was his fantastic positioning in the ring plus being a slick southpaw I'm convinced that similarly to your opinion we would have seen a defensive ggg less willing to plod forward due to sergios movement, speed of foot. One thing to consider to is would ggg be able to land the jab consistent or would he get frustrated and try to swarm martinez? good point, that is the key depends if he was being effective, or able to build anything off the jab..... but I see Golovkin getting frustrated like he did with Jacobs and Canelo that KO of Williams was violently beautiful

Who did Martinez prove his world class against that was above the level of a Canelo or Jacobs? FACT: Golovkin's best win is scraping past Danny Jacobs well, who did Jacobs prove his world-class against..... ? FACT: nobody gave Jacobs the slightest chance to beat Golovkin FACT: Jacobs has done nothing since Golovkin, other than a solid win against Derevyanchenko..... putting in less than stellar performances against mid-level opponents like Arias and Sulecki Martinez, was a 154lb'er who was punching above his weight..... so his wins over Pavlik and Williams are MUCH better than Golovkin scraping past the unheralded under-dog Danny Jacobs

Like who though? Who are his best wins? Tarver, Trinidad, take your pick even his win over the road warrior Johnson is better than anything Golovkin ever did he has strong career-defining wins, and master-class performances over the likes of Pavlik, etc..... their resume's are not even close also, those guys are not cut from the same cloth..... they went about their business completely differently Hopkins entered a sudden-death knockout tourney..... he unified a division by fighting actual champions..... he took short-money..... he gave concessions..... he jumped divisions..... often fighting the best opposition, right into his 40's..... he challenged himself and earned his position within the sport Golovkin is an entitled diva who avoided a LOT more big fights than he took..... even now, after being widely criticized for YEARS for his poor opponent selection, Golovkin is still repaying his fans with second rate fights against no-hoper opponents knowledgeable observers would not mention those guys in the same sentence Hopkins over-achieved, Golovkin under-achieved..... big difference there

It's on the same level, boxing is not only skills. Margarito was a 147 pounds fighter, his max weight was 154. But he had better wins than Martinez : Cotto, Martínez, Clottey, Cintrón. Martínez: Pavlik, Williams. Fighter like Dzinzriuk, JR, Murray, Valer, and all those bums that Martínez beat means nothing, they were b o c class fighters and you know this Margarito was a dirty glove-loading POS Martinez was CLEARLY a better fighter than the plodding face-first Margacheato..... it is shocking that you are not aware of that fact his wins over Pavlik and Williams are better than cheato's tainted win over Cotto Martinez was a JMW who punched above his weight at 160..... he was clearly a much better, more-skilled, more well-rounded, fighter than cheato

GGG power is way bettar than Williams. Williams was a volume puncher. GGG has the best power in middleweight in years He dropped a 183 pounds Jacobs and K.Od Murray that probably won the fight against Martínez and dropped him GGG looks great knocking out bums. The two elite guys he faced at middleweight, Jacobs and Canelo, he couldn’t do much other than one knockdown against Jacobs, which he easily recovered from. Martinez in his prime is closer to Jacobs and Canelo than the list of bums GGG knocked out.

Martinez wins a close, competitive decision. He was more nimble, and had KO power. I love GGG but even Jacobs and Canelo made him look slow at times. Martinez was a much better fighter than these two. And GGG was in his prime against Canelo and Jacobs? Read the thread title again, prime GGG fought at a higher tempo. I dont think Martinez was even in his prime when fighting at 160, would be a good fight but if Margarito can wear down and eventually KO are Martinez you know GGG would

Martinez We saw what intelligent movement and distance control did to Golovkin also..... Martinez tested himself, repeatedly..... whereas Golovkin was - and still is - reluctant to match himself against certain world-class fighters Martinez proved himself against BETTER opponents than Golovkin did I pick Martinez Golovkin does not one-punch guys, he breaks them down..... so I give the more defensively-responsible version of Golovkin who shows up when his opponent is a threat (Jabkin), far less chance to stop Martinez or outwork him I see Martinez controlling that fight and landing the better punches Great breakdown and something that often gets overlooked with martinez was his fantastic positioning in the ring plus being a slick southpaw I'm convinced that similarly to your opinion we would have seen a defensive ggg less willing to plod forward due to sergios movement, speed of foot. One thing to consider to is would ggg be able to land the jab consistent or would he get frustrated and try to swarm martinez?

Lol is this a joke. Martinez struggled at times with average level fighters. He has draw with a cintron and struggled in his first fight against williams. We also saw martinez struggle with murray and macklin. LOL. GGG by ko in 6 easy easy win. Too open for ggg and his defense is terrible with his hands down. No joke "boxing is serious" - golovkin. It's interesting you mention marravilla struggling with average boxers i saw ggg struggle with adama and ouma both fairly average.

Two of my favourite fighters in recent years, man. Wandering when you'd consider Maravilla prime though... his name was really made with the P-Wills and Pavlik wins, but he was already 35 years old by then which would under most considerations make him past prime even given his late start in the sport. The Maravilla who had his hands full with the likes of Macklin, Barker and Dzinzhiruk would not have fared well against any Golovkin I think, but the version who put on a masterclass against Pavlik would have made an epic fight against a '12 - '15 GGG I reckon. My personal guess is that a prime Golovkin would have cut the ring on him and eventually started to catch him after being tagged well and frequently early, but it is no more than that... a guess. Wopuld have been one of those fights I would have loved to have seen made. Thank you for your time and response, great post it is very hard to pin down sergios prime one theory i do have is that he did indeed enjoy somewhat of a prime in his 30s unusually. Could be his late start in boxing mid 20s i believe. Less wear and tear compared to most. I didnt expect the thread to kick off like it has but there seems to be a genuine 50/50 divide. I'm still undecided as to who the victor would be.

martinez is more proven against world class opposition, GGG is however only a little behind. I would expect a tight points split decision, but to Martinez.

Martinez was 35 yo when he beat Williams...

Martinez was TRULY world-class when Golovkin finally stepped up to world-class, the beatings stopped also, Martinez passed tests that Golovkin was unwilling to take..... which is why there are still many unanswered questions about Golovkin I go with the proven guy Who did Martinez prove his world class against that was above the level of a Canelo or Jacobs?