Cotto fights some good fighters. I'll admit he hasnt fought an A fighter yet, but he sure is cleaning house on the B's and C's.
LOL whats' the point he's suppossedly the champ and has been for a while I'd stop ripping on Hatton and using Hatton as the "it's ok to be fighting B and C caliber fighters when you're champ" line.
so i'm not pointing out any group in particular, i'm talking to all groups - cotto fans, hatton fans, pac fans, em/mab/mexican fans and mayweather/black fans.
okay so the synopsis of this thread is quite easy - i just want to know where you stand and what you label yourself, "fan" or "nuthugger" as i've seen people of the both categories proudly label themselves, i'll reserve judgement - its what this thread is for. basically just to know who thinks what, for example, i'm a die hard cotto fan, but can never bring myself to say that "hatton sucks" or that cotto would clean out the 140's. i've seen some pac fans say that "mab, jmm and em are great champs" and on the opposite side of that spectrum we have the cotto fans that view hatton as an over-hyped one trick pony that beat a fading legend and pac fans that are incapable of giving credit where credit is due, speaking specifically of past/present mexican greats.
now - for the most part - i see people on here, like myself :cool: , that can be totally unbiased and i wont name you, nor the opposite alike, in what i've noticed. i want you to reply and do it yourselves.
i excluded the HW's because i honestly just don't care for them.
state your case - we're all ears :cool:
Lol good topic I'm feeling that. I guess I'm basically where you stand I root for Cotto so therefor I am a Cotto fan but at the same time I realize that till Hatton abandones his jr. welter weight titles he is the real champion and that makes Cotto a paper champ which I hate to say but its true. Alot of times i find myself trying to talk sense into the nutthugger fans but essentially its useless, lol. :rolleyes:
I knew Cintron was vulnerable since i seen his fight w/ Reid. Cintron KO'd him, but i jus thought he looked vulnerable. His boxing skills aint to great, but he has good power. Maybe he'll end up winning a title,but he aint gona be in the hall of fame or nuttin. Lets see how he does against Estrada in April.
Cotto will though :D HOF bound baby! lmao
Extactly, Margarito sucks, so use your imagination.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/rican911/margasantospic3.jpg
"crack head looking ass nigga "
lol!! :boxing:
I never once said Cotto is "the champ." Stop putting words in my mouth and tring to make me look dumb cause ur only chance is by putting words in my mouth. I never said Cotto is the CHAMP or that hes teh best. I think hes good and has the potential to become great. Cotto's not the so called CHAMP,thats suppose to be Hatton,that is why im ripping Hatton. But im done arguin w/ u bro its like arguin w/ a rock,there is no point.
He is the champ he has a title he's a cha-a-a-mp. Woman enough with your drama I didn't say you said he was the best deja de llorar nene :bottle:
geesh some of these gusy are morons! He did not have illegal wraps, prove it! I guess the Nevada State Commission AND EVANGILISTA let them slide. (gosh this guy is a moron) and "8 ounce gloves" ummm ok stupid tool what ounce gloves where they supposed to fight in???????? Do you even know anything about what you type or just type with hate?
If I remember correctly Mr. Bob Arum argued for the NSAC to use 8 ounce gloves instead of what was going to be used at that time (10 ounce) thanks to a new rule adopted by the NSAC. So the correct answer to your questions would be 10 ounce don't be so quick to respond and say someone doesn't know anything when in fact it is you that did not know :pat::pat:
But still cant even come close to saying Mayweather, or Williams...
Lets call out Berto is isnt all that and is young who just had a war.... or two 140 lb'ers..... Okay....
Cotto was too young when Mayweather offered a fight, but Berto isnt to young for Cotto... Hypocrisy!!!!
Didn't call out:
Williams 154 lber.
Mayweather retired
Called out:
Hatton and Pac Man are looking for paydays.
Berto and Mosley both called out Cotto.
Lol loooooooser. Don't get mad because i said the obvious about Cotto being a no-heart quitter.
Even billy Collins who didn't even have 1/10th of Cotto's fanbase didn't quit, because he didn't want to let his fans down and himself.
Cotto let a whole country down by taking knees whenever he was about to get knowcked out.
Cotto - "No mas No mass pappito. Perdon"
Antonio Margarito was much, much better than Luis Resto, moron.
"In only his 16th pro fight, still deserved a Draw against former World Champion, Kermit Cintron, who happened to walk into the ring last night at Light Heavyweight. Cintron was 15 pounds over Jr Middle last night and Alfredo still almost made him cry in the 12th round.
The ref should have taken a point away from Cintron for excessive bitch holding, which would have made Angulo the deserving winner of the fight by one point. And if, Cintron wasn't allowed to do all that bitch holding in the last few rounds, Angulo would have stopped him.
Angulo won the 2nd and 5th and swept the last 4 rounds. He deserved a Draw last night.
If Kermit was sick, I'm sure he would have pulled out of the fight. Props to Angulo for coming to fight, regardless of how he felt, making no excuses and taking the fight straight to Light Heavyweight, Kermit Cintron.
A healthy Perro makes Kermit cry."
LOL keep tellin yourself that, you'd be an awful lawyer...Perro got schooled. The only crying done on Saturday was by you, clown lol.
Pac guaranteed. National and worldwide, hands down pac has more fans. if Cotto wins, pac passes draw stardom to him.
I'm with you on that. Also Pac seems much friendlier...
probably pinoys...
I'm going to have to agree with you, what percentage do you think it will be in favor of the Pinoys? I don't think it will be by that much.
"I think, in general, both guys looked very, very good," Arum said. "Cotto looked strong. He's Cotto. He works hard for two hours. He does all his sparring. He's in tremendous shape. I know Cotto works hard, but in contrast to the other guy , it looks like he's taking a vacation. Pacquiao goes for, like, four or five hours. It's amazing. They train differently. Pacquiao is so work-intensive. It's like nothing I've ever seen.
Duh! He is juicing you idiot.
I'm going to have to agree with you, what percentage do you think it will be in favor of the Pinoys? I don't think it will be by that much.
Also there are a lot of Pac fans that are not Phillipino.
95-5...the constant chants of 'MANNY MANNY' is gonna cause Cotto's ears to bleed again :dance:
LOL No way. IMHO I'd say Pac fans won't reach the 70% mark.
Well... u got a point.
But training for more than 3 month...
Isnt that borderline dangerous for a boxer to tax his body for such an extended period of time??
Dont get me wrong... I want a fair fight wherein both fighters are at their best.
But training for such a long time... well... I dunno.
Well the training Cotto was doing for the first few weeks were moderate exercises intended to build a foundation/or not lose the foundation. Plus this plan was made by his physical trainer or w.e. his title is, this guy has more experience and training than anyone that is writing here about this subject. You still didn't answer the question: How can someone be soft while overtraining? It makes no sense.
What a clown you are!!!! thats why Floyd Mayweather and his people are convinced Pacquaio will win, who knows more about technical boxing you or the mayweathers ?
Wins over better fighters are you on crack? if this was true Cotto would be number one
A so called better fighter Maganelli are you serious? Pac anilated Hatton who annilated Maganelli, Cotto only just beat Maganelli!
Clottey should have beaten Cotto, It was a close match, but they felt they had to give the decision to the champ as per usual, fair enough, but if Clottey had decided to throw punches in the second half of the fight he would have won.
Shane Mosley is the only impressive win on his resume, Zab Judah was shot and came of 2 losses and a no contest
Marquez couldnt live with Pacquaio at Light Welter or Welterweight division at all he would get knocked out like Hatton!
And finally boxing is more than just power, it has factors such and footwork, handspeed, ability to use both hands, evaiding punches all which i think pacquaio is better than Cotto
Oh really?
that's Las Vegas dude...you'll end up wearing a PAC t-shirt by the time you get in the arena :dance:
LMAO. Depends if I get a good price, lol nah j/k.
War Cotto!
Pac guaranteed. National and worldwide, hands down pac has more fans. if Cotto wins, pac passes draw stardom to him.
If hes fighting ricky martin, then ricky martin will have more fans. LIVIN LA VIDA LOCA!
I heard he's walking in with Ricky Martin and that gay marching band someone posted on here. Nah I'm messing around.
true but he holds it up and allows it to be pulled over his left hand. dont be condescending without watching film my dude. clottey would pull cotto's right down with his jab and leave cotto with no way to defend. Its cool to take boxing 101 but when you are continually eating straight rights due to not adjusting thats when its a bad habit. I boxed too and you push you don't allow someone to pull your hands down. he allowed his hands to be pulled down continually vs zab he did it too. When u have a discussion on boxing watch tape dont read books
Well my friend I was the head matchmaker for a boxing promotional company and I watched film for hours a day, not to mention I have seen every one of Miguel Cotto's professional fights.
i dont know who said cotto only has three bad habits i can name 3 more
1. cotto blocks jabs with his right hand defensively. So if you jab and he blocks w the right you can bring it down and both of his hands are disabled to block leaving him wide open for power punch. Very weak against simple 1,2 mosley and clottey did this well at times. Kellerman continually said he couldnt see vs clottey but clottey did this time and time again.
2. cotto must sit on punches to punch efficiently. Cotto's biggest fights have been against opponents who either come straight forward or stand in front of him, when he has faced elusive comp namely zab (and even chop chop who foolishly decided to go to war) he's had trouble getting any power behind punches until they slowed down. If manny doesn't slow he doesn't get hit.
3. cotto has a tendency to switch southpaw vs southpaws. this is not going to be his gameplan and if he allows manny to dictate his fighting stance he will allow manny to dictate tempo which does not bode well because he does not want to throw 60-80 punches a round although he says he is prepared on 24/7
4. Cotto often will wait for opponent to strike first, especially if he is not dominating. This is why mosley outlanded him in most rounds (esp. powershots), clottey victory was cotroversial, Zab had great early success, Chop Chop had a shot etc. This last fact brings to question cotto's mental toughness he has heart for days but can he stick t a game plan? we will see next saturday
I didn't read 2-4 but Ive been boxing on and off since I was a little kid and when you fight a right handed boxer you parry/"block" the jab by cupping your right hand and pushing your opponent's jab to your slightly to your left as well as slightly down. I mean this is boxing basics man, lol. That is not a "bad habit" that is boxing 101.
Do you like Tito as well??
Margs fought just as tough if not tougher dudes than Cotto, till its proven that he cheated in those fights, I'll give him his props for now.
It's not a matter of who Margarito fought. He is a coward for one because he attempted to cheat not to mention against a man that has children (which in my opinion makes it even worse). Not the cheating Sammy Sosa does putting corks in bats but putting a foreign substance that is used to make CASTS on the knuckles of both wraps before a boxing match. That to me is a sick man and a freakin coward, he can be from wherever my opinion will never change on what someone attempting to do that is. Not to mention since I believe he got away with this before what does it matter if he fought King Kong if he cheated? Is that being brave or a "real man"?
Cotto running at MSG on the eve of the Puerto Rican Day Parade = Cotto winning the rounds.
It's called boxing (See Clumsy Cintron outboxing the skilless "Perro" for definition)
I'm far from being nationalistic unlike some Cotto fans on here. Their double standards are so noticeable even majority of posters on here know it. I don't have many favorite Mexican boxers, in fact I'm not even a Morales fan who Mexicans adore. Nice try.Well then nice try to you as well, I like Cotto because he's a real man unlike that coward you call "Tijuana Tornado." LOL @ you giving me "ownange later".
Flood a thread?? Isn't that what you sore Cotto fans do?? Make the same repetitive threads with the same lame ass shit??
What fight did he cheat on?? From what I recall he got caught "attempting". Pretty sure a so called "smart" man like you would know the difference right??
O yea if he is a Cheater like you claim.......WHY USE HIM AS LEVERAGE WHEN ARGUING AGAINST MAYWEATHER FANS?? :thinking:
This is the dumb***/hater post of the day:lame: