klitschko fought a smart fight, his tactics were sound, age and ring rust caught up with him and joshua got his second wind which is why he won
I feel many people don't really know how durable an opponent takam is, he also presented a difficult style for joshua as he was elusive enough to not get hit flush very often
joshua's power is pretty good, I'd say on the level of Lennox Lewis, but he has only just recently been put against top opposition so my opinion might change
He wasn't that fast against Clottey :haha:.
would u be willin to let ur hands go against a big strong counter puncher with a bulletproof defense?
one thing people should notice about cotto is he picks up on openings really fast there just werent any that night
dawson's wife used to look just like rihanna until she got his kids
taylor's wife was hot as hell
panda thinks sturms wife wins hands down
froch's wife has fake tits thats a turn off
it's crazy how his power has improved but to give it all to steroids? SSM was on that shyt and probably a lot more and he didn't KO ODLH or make him quit..in fact ODLH beat him...
lol panda aint sayin the pacman uses steroids but it aint like steroids are always the same thing :thinking:
u have a wide variety depending on what u want to accomplish and researchers find new performance enhancement drugs every day
that balco shit ssm did aint even available anymore
The Kessler of today is NOT the Kessler of 2006/2007.
The layoff affected him, or the loss.
But the Kessler that fought Andrade beats Ward on neutral ground
funny seeing as ward hasnt been all that active either and has been criticized for it for 5 years going
maybe pandas eyes are failing him but me dont see no difference in the kessler of 2 years ago. andrade is a whole different fighter so hows that even a comparison
has a good beard, has been weight hoppin from 160-175 but only fought unnotable fighters as of yet
former contender season 1 participant, got beaten up by manfredo in the first round of the show
how would floyd know before demanding random blood tests pac was gonna refuse
hed have to undergo the same tests, it seems pointless to waste countless of dollars negotiating and pre promoting a fight that one of the fighters would duck in advance
especially in a fight so lucrative
an out of his weight fat washed up marquez,if u want to be realistic,well then lets be realistic(he would have ate the canvas before the 6th round under those conditions and at that weight,marquez had absolutly no speed or power on that night and no boxing fan cud argue with that,and mosley would have also put him away by eight or ninth?
more bs...
fat? seriously who were u watching?
marquez had all his tools with him that night homie
he was just fightin the more talented fighter
Floyd was clearly looking to stop Marquez in rounds 10 and 11, but when he realized he couldn't do it with two punch combos, he let his foot off the gas.
It's not in him anymore to go all out for the KO. Compare the Floyd we saw in September 2009 with Floyd who destroyed Genaro Hernandez and Angel Manfredy in 1998. Same skills, but young Floyd was obviously much hungrier and eager to prove himself.
what the hell are u talkin about floyd never destroyed manfredy
even though manfredy was never in his league the dude was punchin back and did a nate campbell on the post fight interview if panda remembers correctly
like was said in the other thread by me, floyd doesnt stop marquez, too much heart and determination
First of all you can back off the attitude, because I didn't come at you like that.
Second of all, it was just plainly obvious to me if Floyd chose to let his hands go in combinations, IMO.. it would be too much for Marquez.
We didn't forget Floyd knocked Marquez down did we? Whenever Floyd let his hands go, he landed, and he landed clean. If he were to steup up his output considerably, then it would of happened.
I knew Floyd WOULDN'T let his hands go.. because he just doesn't anymore.
That's why I highlighted the word: WANTED
u people really make interesting statements
-diaz supposedly knocked marquez around-could somewhat understand that
-floyd couldve finished marquez any time he wanted - didnt see that
the general consensus at the time was the only way marquez had a chance against floyd would be if he used his experience and ring intelligence
marquez coincidently has unusual ring intelligence just like hopkins has, older fighters like himself manage to retain their championship status by fighting smart sometimes cautious like he did with diaz until he decided to trade
timothy bradley to me still looks like hes been rushed to his current status
now heres my if: if holt actually engaged in that fight he wouldve smacked bradley around and might even have stopped him
marquez could win a decision, because there is uncertainty about his power @ 140
this to me is a pick em fight
its definitely possible but dawson has improved dramatically skillwise over the past two years
he might be able to handle clouds style now but panda does agree cloud could be a stylistic nightmare for dawson
hed be 0-3 or 1-2 depending on if taylor has something left
dirrell needs more experience, and experienced dirrell makes froch look like a journeyman
pascal would win a decision and beat him up
its less than a tablespoon for godsakes, one hardly feels it and ur body doesnt miss it even if uve got diabetes
manny has bled more in a single round...did that weaken him too?
floyds a bitch, thats the only reason this is a story.
This is supposed to be a mega fight but we have 1 boxer with a vagina wanting blood drawn days before the fight. Who has ever heard of this type of shit before? Did Ali refuse to fight Frazier because he thought he was on roids and needed additional blood tests to find out? hell nah..
Olympic boxers endure the same tests yet they seem to perform fine for what for most is the biggest challenge of their respective careers
..frazier didnt jump any weight classes knocking out every champion in each division (since marquez @ 130 anyway)
How many tests are they taking already? I dont give a **** if he's taking the same tests. Is Floyd insecure to the point where he thinks Manny would pop steroids days before the fight, or even teh day of?
There's a point where he's trying to check if someone is on roids. Manny and camp agreed a week before the fight, and after. But the same day?? how paranoid can 1 person be?
doesnt this whole dilemma give him a little bit more reason to be? i know im not sure anymore
Look I understand the concern about roids, fine.
But you dont get offered the biggest fight of your life and huge payday from Pac and then turn around and basically say you (Pac) are winning because your cheating and tell them to jump through a bunch of hoops to prove they arent. Its insulting. Pac might not want to do it out of being offended or just to not bend to Floyds whims.
are u kiddin?
floyd did more pay per view buys against the same opponents regardless of p4p status (seeing as he did 1 mil with marquez)
floyd got offered nothin, neither did pac, they both have their terms and a compromise follows...
or does it?
bend to floyds whims? not even dlh gave pac 10 mil per pound he would come in overweight, really guys for pac to not be willing to donate less than a tablespoon of blood the day of the fight and miss out on his biggest payday just doesnt add up
especially as pac isnt planning on fighting more than two or three times before retiring
check my posts, panda aint hatin on pac before this, just ridin on common sense here :fing02:
arum himself has indicated pavlik would move up in '10 besides who is there to fight @ 160 aside from williams and possibly martinez
if he were to indeed move up the winner of Miranda/Stieglitz wont pay shit, pavlik cant enter the super six so bute's the obvious choie
imho pavlik should duck bute cuz bute might ruin his career
pavlik doesnt deal well with moving targets who punch back with power..
taylor didnt have the stamina, hopkins didnt have age..bute does unless pavlik pulls an andrade (I)