Ok I'm sure all the Pac fans are gonna flood this thread talking trash but I'm almost positive that Manny is on steroids. I've even said this to friends way before Mayweather Snr or any of the other boxers mentioned it. Below I will list reasons why I believe this is true. You can try to disprove them if you're able to but I'm only going to mention FACTS.
1. Manny has been in wars with Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Now if you're a boxing fan you know that wars like that take ALOT out of you and alot out of your career. Manny has moved up all that weight and doesn't look like he's ever had a war in his life.
2. Manny was never really a devastating knockout puncher at the lower weights. Yeah he knocked a few guys down but most of his KO's were from accumulation. Now he moves up and knocks a huge 140lber in Hatton out with one shot? And he knocks Cotto on his ass with one shot? Torres who is a big puncher was hitting Cotto with everything he had and the only reason he knocked him down was because he pushed Cotto down.. And Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey are HUGE WELTERWEIGHTS and couldnt put Cotto down. But a little guy like Pac that fought mostly at 130 is gonna not only carry power but carry MORE power up and knock these big dudes out? Hatton moved up only 7lbs and he couldnt deal with Welterweights and he was a big junior welterweight. Mayweather is not the same puncher at 147.
3. Manny moved up all that weight and is just as fast if not faster then he was at the lower weights.. He also obviously carried more power up with him. And if you look at his body he's still as cut as he was in the lower weights. If you watch boxing you know as you move up in weight you usually lose something like speed or power or sometimes both.. And you also don't look as cut as you were in the lower weights for obvious reasons.
4. When asked about taking Steroids Manny said "I don't even know what Steroids is, I don't know what it looks like". Now cmon are you all that gullible to believe an athlete like Pac doesn't know what Steroids is? Especially after it was all over the news with baseball and the olympics? That statement right there was one of the things that really caught my attention.
5. Why hasn't Manny sued these people for defamation of character? I know damn well if i was a boxer and some other boxers accused me of cheating and I know I didn't do it I would sue the shit out of them. Those statements can ruin his reputation and can also ruin his career in boxing but he hasn't sued them?
6. Listen Manny is a nice guy and does definetly have boxing skills.. I'm not denying that. But everything is starting to look really funny lately with him. Remember the old saying "Where there's smoke there's fire". McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds had alot of skills too but they did steroids and when steroids are added to someone that already has skills you already seen the results. They were breaking decades old records like nothing. Pac does have skills in boxing but I think he's done steroids on top of those skills. What do you all think? I know the Pac fans are going to be biased but I'm talking about regular boxing fans.
The Pac does steroids are accusations. Stop the gossip because lately with Balco Mosley and Pasterito Margarito good guys and stories like Pac is what this sport needs.
All of those Olympians that took steroids didn't win every race or competition but it doesnt matter if they lost they still cheated. Just because Pac is on steroids it doesnt mean he'll beat every fighter out there. It's still cheating though. You can make all the excuses you want it will always be cheating.
Get some proof. Otherwise, this is meaningless.
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All of those Olympians that took steroids didn't win every race or competition but it doesnt matter if they lost they still cheated. Just because Pac is on steroids it doesnt mean he'll beat every fighter out there. It's still cheating though. You can make all the excuses you want it will always be cheating.
it's crazy how his power has improved but to give it all to steroids? SSM was on that shyt and probably a lot more and he didn't KO ODLH or make him quit..in fact ODLH beat him...
lol panda aint sayin the pacman uses steroids but it aint like steroids are always the same thing :thinking:
u have a wide variety depending on what u want to accomplish and researchers find new performance enhancement drugs every day
that balco shit ssm did aint even available anymore
Ok I'm sure all the Pac fans are gonna flood this thread talking trash but I'm almost positive that Manny is on steroids. I've even said this to friends way before Mayweather Snr or any of the other boxers mentioned it. Below I will list reasons why I believe this is true. You can try to disprove them if you're able to but I'm only going to mention FACTS.
1. Manny has been in wars with Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Now if you're a boxing fan you know that wars like that take ALOT out of you and alot out of your career. Manny has moved up all that weight and doesn't look like he's ever had a war in his life.
steroids don't improve your punch resistance, otherwise vargas wouldn't have gotten KOed by dlh or mosley.
2. Manny was never really a devastating knockout puncher at the lower weights. Yeah he knocked a few guys down but most of his KO's were from accumulation. Now he moves up and knocks a huge 140lber in Hatton out with one shot? And he knocks Cotto on his ass with one shot? Torres who is a big puncher was hitting Cotto with everything he had and the only reason he knocked him down was because he pushed Cotto down.. And Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey are HUGE WELTERWEIGHTS and couldnt put Cotto down. But a little guy like Pac that fought mostly at 130 is gonna not only carry power but carry MORE power up and knock these big dudes out? Hatton moved up only 7lbs and he couldnt deal with Welterweights and he was a big junior welterweight. Mayweather is not the same puncher at 147.
steroids don't improve your punching power, otherwise Toney would be KOing HWs.
3. Manny moved up all that weight and is just as fast if not faster then he was at the lower weights.. He also obviously carried more power up with him. And if you look at his body he's still as cut as he was in the lower weights. If you watch boxing you know as you move up in weight you usually lose something like speed or power or sometimes both.. And you also don't look as cut as you were in the lower weights for obvious reasons.
pac is a machine and Ariza and 2 university faculty are constantly fine tuning pac's body. I know some of you guys like "old school" methods, but pac's fitness/nutrition team is state-of-the-art.
4. When asked about taking Steroids Manny said "I don't even know what Steroids is, I don't know what it looks like". Now cmon are you all that gullible to believe an athlete like Pac doesn't know what Steroids is? Especially after it was all over the news with baseball and the olympics? That statement right there was one of the things that really caught my attention.
how many pinoys have gotten caught using steroids? I rest my case.
5. Why hasn't Manny sued these people for defamation of character? I know damn well if i was a boxer and some other boxers accused me of cheating and I know I didn't do it I would sue the shit out of them. Those statements can ruin his reputation and can also ruin his career in boxing but he hasn't sued them?
I read somewhere Pac got his lawyers to ask Floyd Sr questions... then Floyd Sr said he was just "playing".
6. Listen Manny is a nice guy and does definetly have boxing skills.. I'm not denying that. But everything is starting to look really funny lately with him. Remember the old saying "Where there's smoke there's fire". McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds had alot of skills too but they did steroids and when steroids are added to someone that already has skills you already seen the results. They were breaking decades old records like nothing. Pac does have skills in boxing but I think he's done steroids on top of those skills. What do you all think? I know the Pac fans are going to be biased but I'm talking about regular boxing fans.
there's no smoke, there's just the ramblings of a crackhead and idiotic people who actually believe that a crackhead knows more about nutrition than a 3 trained professional in nutrition and fitness science.
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That doesn't mean nothing. Vargas was on steroids and Delahoya beat him too. Just because you're on steroids doesn't mean you'll beat everyone but it will definetly help you out. It's cheating regardless if you win or lose.
Go get some proof.
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it's crazy how his power has improved but to give it all to steroids? SSM was on that shyt and probably a lot more and he didn't KO ODLH or make him quit..in fact ODLH beat him...
That doesn't mean nothing. Vargas was on steroids and Delahoya beat him too. Just because you're on steroids doesn't mean you'll beat everyone but it will definetly help you out. It's cheating regardless if you win or lose.
it's crazy how his power has improved but to give it all to steroids? SSM was on that shyt and probably a lot more and he didn't KO ODLH or make him quit..in fact ODLH beat him...
And let's not forget Vargas.
Really though... do we have to go through all this crap again? The steroid thing has been beaten to DEATH over the last few weeks. The tests came back negative, as they always have done, and people still harp on about it.
BORING.
Until there is proof, please... let's STFU.
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many athlete use steroids and HGH. They went undetected....
all those sprinters/baseball players/ cyclists etc. who finally got caught had been on them for a long time. There are always ways to beat the test.
whether pacman is on the juice or not, we will never know unless he fails a test. But till then....
it's crazy how his power has improved but to give it all to steroids? SSM was on that shyt and probably a lot more and he didn't KO ODLH or make him quit..in fact ODLH beat him...
I dunno man it looks and feels fishy to me.. And I'm not the only one that's noticed it. His own peers in boxing have noticed it too. I like Manny as a person and as a fighter but it just doesn't feel right to me.
Pac is just exceptional. Some people have that. Most don't.
Ok I'm sure all the Pac fans are gonna flood this thread talking trash but I'm almost positive that Manny is on steroids. I've even said this to friends way before Mayweather Snr or any of the other boxers mentioned it. Below I will list reasons why I believe this is true. You can try to disprove them if you're able to but I'm only going to mention FACTS.
1. Manny has been in wars with Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Now if you're a boxing fan you know that wars like that take ALOT out of you and alot out of your career. Manny has moved up all that weight and doesn't look like he's ever had a war in his life.
2. Manny was never really a devastating knockout puncher at the lower weights. Yeah he knocked a few guys down but most of his KO's were from accumulation. Now he moves up and knocks a huge 140lber in Hatton out with one shot? And he knocks Cotto on his ass with one shot? Torres who is a big puncher was hitting Cotto with everything he had and the only reason he knocked him down was because he pushed Cotto down.. And Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey are HUGE WELTERWEIGHTS and couldnt put Cotto down. But a little guy like Pac that fought mostly at 130 is gonna not only carry power but carry MORE power up and knock these big dudes out? Hatton moved up only 7lbs and he couldnt deal with Welterweights and he was a big junior welterweight. Mayweather is not the same puncher at 147.
3. Manny moved up all that weight and is just as fast if not faster then he was at the lower weights.. He also obviously carried more power up with him. And if you look at his body he's still as cut as he was in the lower weights. If you watch boxing you know as you move up in weight you usually lose something like speed or power or sometimes both.. And you also don't look as cut as you were in the lower weights for obvious reasons.
4. When asked about taking Steroids Manny said "I don't even know what Steroids is, I don't know what it looks like". Now cmon are you all that gullible to believe an athlete like Pac doesn't know what Steroids is? Especially after it was all over the news with baseball and the olympics? That statement right there was one of the things that really caught my attention.
5. Why hasn't Manny sued these people for defamation of character? I know damn well if i was a boxer and some other boxers accused me of cheating and I know I didn't do it I would sue the shit out of them. Those statements can ruin his reputation and can also ruin his career in boxing but he hasn't sued them?
6. Listen Manny is a nice guy and does definetly have boxing skills.. I'm not denying that. But everything is starting to look really funny lately with him. Remember the old saying "Where there's smoke there's fire". McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds had alot of skills too but they did steroids and when steroids are added to someone that already has skills you already seen the results. They were breaking decades old records like nothing. Pac does have skills in boxing but I think he's done steroids on top of those skills. What do you all think? I know the Pac fans are going to be biased but I'm talking about regular boxing fans.