Why is Pavlik ducking Bute?

How is he ducking him? He still has to handle business with Williams first And technically, Williams is considered a small Middleweight who can fight at 147 and 154. So really, Pavlik is feasting on smaller guys. Rubio wasn't really a natural Middleweight, neither was Lockett, and Espino wasn't either if I remember right. And I think Pavlik is just acting brave because Williams looked vulnerable in his last fight. I still want to see Pavlik and Williams fight though.

How is he ducking him? He still has to handle business with Williams first

When has Dawson called out Bute (which he maybe should since Pascal is injured and he doesn't want anything to do with Cloud)? When has Cunningham called out Dawson? I know Bute and Pavlik are in different weight divisions, but it's still the idea that Pavlik won't take a fight like that even for big money because he knows that Bute would beat him. I was kidding. seriously Pavlik hasnt looked good north of 160 so I dont think they are eager to get in the ring with Bute. Maybe Bute could come down to 160 to entice them to sign the fight. Doubt it, then we could make the argument Bute was ducking Pavlik bcause he couldnt make 160.

Hmm what I heard is that Bute was ducking Dawson. And Dawson was ducking Steve Cunningham. That or they are in different weight classes. :banana: When has Dawson called out Bute (which he maybe should since Pascal is injured and he doesn't want anything to do with Cloud)? When has Cunningham called out Dawson? I know Bute and Pavlik are in different weight divisions, but it's still the idea that Pavlik won't take a fight like that even for big money because he knows that Bute would beat him.

HBO wanted the fight, and it was reported in one of these earlier stories on BScene that Arum wanted Pavlik to stay at 160. What's the point though if a fight with Williams can't happen? Hmm what I heard is that Bute was ducking Dawson. And Dawson was ducking Steve Cunningham. That or they are in different weight classes. :banana:

I want Pwill to be the one who murks Pavlik.

I thought the Williams fight will happen or? Can we please stop all this ducking crap... this is getting ridicilous... as soon as something is mentioned and it doesn't happen it's already a duck... we live in times of the internet... earlier it would just have been a thought and now it comes out and it is like this was planned or anything... I get annoyed w/this shit, too.:dunno: Best I can figure is people who are bored, and have nothing better to do at the moment than blog, seize upon such minutiae and spin it in such a way as to belittle an athlete that they dislike (usually for a petty reason). Let em' wag their virtual tongues. Just bored folk lookin' for a lil' drAma in their lives...:dunno:

Two different weight classes smart guy. You should learn something about boxing before you join a boxing forum.

i thought the williams fight will happen or? Can we please stop all this ducking crap... This is getting ridicilous... As soon as something is mentioned and it doesn't happen it's already a duck... We live in times of the internet... Earlier it would just have been a thought and now it comes out and it is like this was planned or anything... I don't saw his fight last night... I was emotionally done after the cowboy game *lol* but he won and i think the williams fight will happen or? staph infection :june 2009 pavlik vs mora cancelled twice williams vs pavlik october cancelled williams vs pavlik december 5-12 cancelled due tp pavlik vagina infection pavlik vs ________ december 19 on .period finally off definition of ducking ,yep

For boxing fans a lot of you are totally ignorant on the business and how you build for the future. 1-Pavlik/Williams will happen. After that the winner will probably fight Sergio Martinez. 2-HBO invested in Bute because they saw the talent and realized that Kelly is looking to move up and the majority of the talent in that weight class is locked in to the Super Six. By investing in Bute and promoting his next few fights they build him up and make the promotion of Pavlik/Bute a whole lot easier. 3-Don't believe Kelly? Look into staph infections and reactions to antibiotics. His story is totally believable. 4-Pavlik Taylor was at 164 If I recall. hbo wants to give butte some more exposure, as all the best super MWs are locked into the super six. hbo realizes that pavlik can lose at 168 lbs and just move back down to 160 lbs again and dominate. but if pavlik is smart, he will stick to 160 lbs. no duckage is occuring.

For boxing fans a lot of you are totally ignorant on the business and how you build for the future. 1-Pavlik/Williams will happen. After that the winner will probably fight Sergio Martinez. 2-HBO invested in Bute because they saw the talent and realized that Kelly is looking to move up and the majority of the talent in that weight class is locked in to the Super Six. By investing in Bute and promoting his next few fights they build him up and make the promotion of Pavlik/Bute a whole lot easier. 3-Don't believe Kelly? Look into staph infections and reactions to antibiotics. His story is totally believable. 4-Pavlik Taylor was at 164 If I recall.

Just because there isn't a mandate for it doesn't mean that Pavlik should get a pass for totally ignoring him though. He can't beat him. Period. regardless of whether pavlik can beat butte or not, there is no mandate for it because they do not occupy the same division, thus no duckage. its pretty safe to say that if someone is not in your weight division you can choose to ignore them if you want.

this doesn't mean there's a mandate for pavlik/butte Just because there isn't a mandate for it doesn't mean that Pavlik should get a pass for totally ignoring him though. He can't beat him. Period.

So he should fight Sturm who lost his last fight? I didn't see his fight with Gevor. But it was probably a worse decision that Paul's over Martinez. Sturm sucks. this doesn't mean there's a mandate for pavlik/butte

No he didn't actually check the record it was not at 168 and besides they were both career MWs.......he has not proven shit at SMW and now you think he should go in as a viable opponent against the best one in the world or at least one of the best? So he should fight Sturm who lost his last fight? I didn't see his fight with Gevor. But it was probably a worse decision that Paul's over Martinez. Sturm sucks.

Really? He fought Taylor there. So what's the problem? Taylor has looked like a total beast at 168 tho too.

Like I said before. HBO was interested in it. Why is Abraham good enough to fight at 168, but Pavlik isn't? what is HBO? a promotional company? a sanctioning body? Just cause HBo wants it doesn't mean there's a mandate for it. AA can't make 168 lbs anymore that's why he moved up. pavlik can still make 160 lbs. once again, there's no mandate for it, therefore, it doesn't have to happen, therefore it's not a duck. You can't duck someone that's not in your weight division

arum himself has indicated pavlik would move up in '10 besides who is there to fight @ 160 aside from williams and possibly martinez if he were to indeed move up the winner of Miranda/Stieglitz wont pay shit, pavlik cant enter the super six so bute's the obvious choie imho pavlik should duck bute cuz bute might ruin his career pavlik doesnt deal well with moving targets who punch back with power.. taylor didnt have the stamina, hopkins didnt have age..bute does unless pavlik pulls an andrade (I) Macklin, Pirog & Golovkin in the very near future Jacobs, N'jikam, Korobov in 1-2 years 160 is going to heat up real soon, alot of young talent

C'mon TS, don't be like the cunt in my sig and just hate on Pavlik. He has no business fighting at 168 and should just stay at 160 and fight either PWill or Sturm any other fight would be meaningless. Really? He fought Taylor there. So what's the problem?

arum himself has indicated pavlik would move up in '10 besides who is there to fight @ 160 aside from williams and possibly martinez if he were to indeed move up the winner of Miranda/Stieglitz wont pay shit, pavlik cant enter the super six so bute's the obvious choie imho pavlik should duck bute cuz bute might ruin his career pavlik doesnt deal well with moving targets who punch back with power.. taylor didnt have the stamina, hopkins didnt have age..bute does unless pavlik pulls an andrade (I)