Warren, Wilder, Fury, etc can talk all they want; words are nothing but wind, therefore have no substance. At the end of the day, 3 of 4 main world championship belts are owned by Joshua. In addition, he is ranked highest by Boxrec, The Ring, PBO; and probably any other independent ranking system with no affiliation to individual sanctioning bodies or broadcast networks. Like it or not, if either want to be truly recognized as better than Joshua they either have to beat him, or at least beat more top ranked opponents than he does.
They can also avoid Joshua just as he avoided Wilder. The shoes on the other foot now as they can get rich without AJ. Hearn taught us all that it's about the money and not about settling who is really the true world champion.
Oh behave Frank. Fury needs to beat the #1 to be the #1. Lets have Fury v Joshua on April 13th so see who is the best.
I don't think that's going to happen. Even though Joshua may be the best of the three (although he might not be), He's probably going to be locked out of fighting Fury or Wilder for the same reasons Hearn toyed with Wilder. The reasons being that AJ is dangerous and Fury and Wilder can make money without him. AJ fans will be upset over this in the same way Wilder fans were upset.
It has also been reported that Joshua is trying to secure David Haye for his next fight. AJ supposedly wants to fight a different cruiserweight to get ready for Usyk. Hearn talked him into the Hayemaker.
You don't see Warren mentioning that. Warren knows a Joshua-Haye fight would easily outshine a Wilder-Fury rematch! Haye won't fight Fury. He thinks being a Gypsy is contagious. AJ is going to take advantage of this and steal the spotlight from Wilder and Fury!
You have to be joking! A Joshua, Hay fight is meaningless.
Yes they can get rich off each other, but not as rich as if either were to fight Joshua. Also I think the novelty would wear off after a 2nd fight and there would be little call for a 3rd.
This fight did around 900k UK buys, which is impressive considering it was in the pre-dawn hours here - but if either fights Joshua in the UK the numbers would at least rival those of his fight with Wlad of 1.7m buys and I reckon it could break the 2m barrier.
If it's Wilder in the opposite corner to AJ, then you have the undisputed status to boost the number of buys both sides of the pond. I think there would be a 2nd fight as well, possibly in NY as Hearn's been doing a bit of business there and the time difference to the UK is more friendly than Vegas.
From the point of view of a great fight for the fans and one that would pay a large purse to either Wilder or Fury, I agree with you 100%. I'm just saying that for the present there's a lot of resentment by both fighters toward Hearn that could stand in the way for a while.
Ok and collectively fury and wilder managed to draw aj’s purse against povetkin. It’s funny how American posters are trying to paint a picture that aj is irrelevant but he can single handidly outdraw those who think they deserve a 50/50 split
AJ as a boxing talent is certainly relevant and to Fury and Wilder a threat as well. He though is currently not relevant to their ability to make decent money fighting other fighters rather than Joshua. What is going on is a power struggle on the business end of things and has nothing to do with who actually should be fighting who.
yes because he doesn't NEED them
More money + 75% of the belts = why should he bend over and take it up the ass from them?
It makes NO sense to do that, that's why he isn't even talking about it yet they are both on a relentless PR campaign against him
As a FAN I want him to offer wilder 50/50 and go to alabama and knock the absoloute **** out of him in front of his hometown fans, then get on the mic and call them a bunch of hilbily trash, and that america sucks dick at heavyweight boxing.
As a LOGICAL person i fully understand why he doesn't do that when life changing sums of money are on the line.
Also I'm sure that as a logical person you wouldn't want to start something that might come back to bite you in the ass.
First of all, the main issue here is Wilder
Fury, he's a different case and I suspect that would be a LOT easier of a fight to make than the one with Wilder
but they are focused on Wilder because he's got a belt and has the history
Well, Wilder already LOST to Fury and if he loses again his "legacy" will be a guy who beat 39 bums and one 40 year old cuban and got schooled twice by Fury
So Wilder can crow all he wants but lets face facts he's on VERY thin ice right now in terms of his career.
If Fury schools wilder again, then everyone forgets about him, and I think AJ vs Fury WILL happen in the second half of the year for undisputed.
That's why i'm saying wilder needs to stop talking trash and consider his options right now, because he showed very little in the first fight to convince me he can do any better let alone actually BEAT a fury who will be a lot closer to his best shape in the rematch
You make some great points especially how Wilder's star would be dimmed by a loss to Joshua, especially if it was a bad loss. The truth though is in the world of boxing and the way promotions are presented Wilder can make a lot of money without ever facing Joshua. It wouldn't be the kind of money per fight as a Joshua fight would be but it would be the less risky route to take, similar to the path Hearn has had Joshua on.
American Fans would rather see AJ frozen out than their champion challenge for the undisputed..... Firstly Wilderlites complained about the derisory offer( which in fairness was) However, now that there is a good offer on the table even though Wilder fans know Wilder lost his last fight they would rather set their sights on becoming the Lineal.
I understand Winkle not responding to Hearn butAj has Deontay’s personal number and has reached out and Wilder is not responding. That female s#hit. Wilder is right Americans are sensitive I just didn’t want to believe him
As an American I do not want to see Joshua frozen out of a truly meaningful fight with both Fury and Wilder. However I can understand those who feel that way because of the Way Hearn treated Wilder in his dealings with him. Hopefully all of the hurt feelings and spiteful actions and reactions can be set aside for what is the best for all concerned.
Fury won that clearly, we all know it, and we all know that he has another few pounds to come off and no one is gonna beat him but himself. I think Joshua beats Wilder more decisively though, inside the distance, because Wilders defensive skills against AJ is suicide.
Not saying your not right but Wilder is a dangerous fight for AJ. AJ cannot move like Fury so Wilder is pretty much guaranteed to land on him. It would be a very good matchup.
Joshua could change my opinion of him if he fought Luis "King Kong" Ortiz! Wilder has faced the 2 best HWs in the game! No shame in his game! He lost that fight, but the 2 KDs make me want to see the rematch ASAP!
Unless Wilder learns how to not telegraph his intentions the result would most likely be a Fury win. I think Wilder should train on that aspect of his boxing and perhaps on how to stay on his front foot. Then fight an interim match to see if his skills have improved before a rematch with Fury or a fight with AJ.
He doesn’t deserve one. He blew his chance. We will take it from here now thank you
Joshua vs Fury April 13th and none of you Wilder fans can grumble. Just be grateful you still have a belt as you would be blackballed.
A shocking performance by the self proclaimed baddest man on the planet.Wilder’s ancestors should be ashamed
N.b I too am ashamed and thought Wilder would sleep Fury. That gypsie has crazy skills. Wilder fans I am respectful and will let you mourn for 2 days.... I will give 1 hour run and 5000 boxing 5 days as they were a lot closer to wilder’s nutsack. Only joking they are my boys and I’m there for them
Your'e being too hard on Wilder. Styles make fights and Fury's style would make anybody look inept (including AJ).
So there is no rematch clause, Fury and Wildher were lying all this time. What a pair of clowns.
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I believe there is a guaranteed rematch clause should Wilder loses, he being the champ, bot not so for fury should he lose.
Fury vs wlad was like watching two walrus's sumo wrestle in slow motion for 12 rounds.
Reality check coming this Saturday.
Yep! People forget styles make fights and Wilder's style is very different and much more violent than Klitchko's. No wrestling for Deontay.
There was a clear cut winner to be fair .... no way wilder won that fight
That was some good old USA home cooking
Edit *** No way fury lost that fight
I tend to agree. Fury retained my respect and showed that he is all heart. I was surprised at the draw but after seeing that Fury landed only 13 more punches than Wilder, I can see how the two knockdowns could have resulted in a draw. Fury is an amazing man.
Well that British judge is cooked too ... Judges were bent as Fock
Apart from the judging it was a great fight
One dafty gave wilder the first four rounds . Laughable
Typical of Boxing. This fight was suppose to be a draw as that sets up good future lucrative fights for both Fury and Wilder. Not saying Fury and Wilder were in on this but it happens (and always has). Also, sad to say, it will continue.
However, being a Wilder fan would you kindly admit Wilder got outboxed? I say that because Fury was dropped heavily twice in the fight,yet Wilder fans are content with the draw
Ill say it for Nomadic - Wilder got out boxed. I'll also say I was prepared to hear a unanimous decision for Fury but glad to have it be declared a draw. I'll also admit that if either Wilder or Fury fight Joshua I'll be pulling for a Joshua loss.
I know it’s just nice to hear Wilder fans not talk about 50 million. Their new angle is Wilder and Fury are the best. You got to love them they are a creative bunch
I'm a Wilder fan but after seeing last nights fight I know he's not as good as Fury. As a boxer Wilder is not as good as AJ either but in that matchup it becomes a battle of punchers more so than a fight between a puncher and a boxer.
great performance from fury, all things considered, but he didn't "beat" wilder. he may have been unlucky in the judging but that's not wilder's fault. wilder still holds the last belt and that's why it's understandable that hearn is chasing him for joshua (ok, he would also be the easier fight for joshua but it's not often you can claim to be unified champ and hold all the belts). fury will still be there at the end of it. bear in mind, as a pro joshua has significantly less experience than the other 2, so those guys will both get their shot at him at some stage in the near future.
This makes the best sense financially for AJ, Fury and Wilder. Depending on who wins between Wilder and AJ there could be several more lucrative fights & rematches (including with Fury).
something I think everyone overlooks is that to Fury's advantage against Joshua is the issue of size and stamina. Joshua tired in his fight against a plodder like Klitchko. Against Fury he'll have to work much harder and when they're close Fury will clinch and lay all of his weight on Joshua. This to me spells trouble for Joshua who as he tire's will give up a lot of rounds on points. The fight ends by either Joshua winning by KO or Fury winning by decision and I'd bet on Fury.
That was the turning point. I remember being in Westwood when Pacauiao was at his peak before he became a born again christian and all the liberals loved him.
Gays loved him my cousins hairdresser friend was like I cant wait for the Pacman to beat Mayweathers ass.
The guy was beloved with the hollywood elite, the first time it wasnt his fault some filipino writer put words into mannys mouth.
They gave him a pass, but the second time where he said gays and transgenders are sick, and said gays are worse than animals was the death blow.
Why would he say something like that? Even Andre Ward who is .christians knows not to say **** like that outloud.
When he said that Pacman lost all his hollywood star fans. Jimmy kimmel banned him from his show.
Since the Bible strongly condemns gay sex practices as deserving of death many people (Pacquaio included) assume God hates gays, which is not the case. Condemning a practice is one thing but judging people is another. Pacquaio was wrong in what he said and I truly hope he does not actually feel the thoughts he expressed.
you can't compare Pac to Crawford, Pac earned his popularity by beating ATGs. Even Crawford admits his biggest win is Jeep Horn. Personality wise, Pac always had an infectious smile on his face from the very first time he appeared on HBO. Stewart and Merchant would always talk about how happy Pac looks entering the ring. Crawford has the personality of a pet rock and has been fighting weakass talent, no spectacular wins and he couldn't even get a highlight reel KO against Khan, why would fans gravitate towards him?
Crawford's facial expression and overall demeanor reminds me of Tommy Hearn and Sonny Liston.
I'm not pointing fingers at who is causing the problem but the truth is Crawford does indeed need to fight credible guys for his fights to sell. Whatever it takes, changing promoters or calling out the top guys or both he should immediately start doing. His "goes stale by certain date" is a factor with him being 33.
Floyd's legacy is intact, win or lose. These type of exhibitions are not part of Floyd's boxing career but events that are in addition to his boxing career.
Its not really a duck avoiding a guy outside of your weight class, fighters are not wind up toys.
Top level guys will fight anyone, the so called ducks are generally business decisions or management thinks their guy will lose.
Fighters are tradesmen the best are specialists, their life is given to learning the trade, they dont fear a fight they understand a fight and what you fully understand you dont fear you respect, fear is conjured in the fan more than the fighter.
Respect your insight. I'll rephrase and say that SRL waited until he saw enough of a decline in the Marvelous one's abilities that he felt he could overcome the natural size difference. Not a duck but a smart tactical decision.