Billy joe has decent boxing skills but he's been fighting B & C level comp his whole career and the media has made too much of it. He's in with an elite fighter for the first time. This is more like a 60/40 fight to me(and only because Andrade has been so inactive).Can't see Saunders winning this one. Andrade by decision.
What makes Andrade elite, who has he beaten to deserve elite status?
I'll agree that Andrade doesn't have a big name on his resume (yet). I base calling him Elite on his pure talent. He's one of the most complete fighters I've ever seen. He has all of the attributes you look for and he makes it look effortless. Now he has to show and prove against the big names like all the other Greats before him did. I believe he beats everyone they've been mentioning him with (charlo,golovkin,etc.). Hopefully these fights happen.. And soon .
Funny that Eubank Jr, Andy Lee and Lemieux were supposed to kill him but didn't and now they are B/C level fighters!
Saunders is really underrated, this is mainly because he comes across as a bit of a moron lol
I thought the eubank Jr. Fight could've gone either way-very, very close fight and eubank just got trashed by Groves... Lemieux had Already been exposed twice if I'm not mistaken by the time Saunders got to him. Andy Lee is a decent fighter, very entertaining but a killer he's not and has a few losses (with a draw that should've been a loss). These are B level fighters.
I just hope Saunders brings his A game and may the best man win.
Nah. Not at all, was rooting for Marquez in that fight. He was robbed in the other fights! In a way it was Karma, cuz it was the only fight Pacquio was clearly wining until he got KTFO Cold! Yet he's done well since and beat walkie talkie Broner as well as anyone. The KO is not the first thing I think of when Pac's name is mentioned. BTW that was there 4th fight!
Damn you're right that was the fourth fight I lost count haha. Doubt we'll see a series between 2 fighters good enough to warrant 4 fights for a while sadly.
You lose money on that fight? That why you salty.
Not at all. When it comes to boxing I only bet on a sure thing. And even then anything can happen in boxing. With 7 loses(and counting)Manny is never a sure bet-especially now.
I did think it was the ultimate karma. I mean, we all know if it went to the judges Marquez would've gotten the short end of the stick.
He ended the debate once and for all and was the clear winner of their trilogy. You're still upset about it though I see HAHAHA
Even though Mikey got outboxed and beaten up from rd1 to rd12, he still managed to show a few things. He has a great chin even at welterweight and the tight defense he showed prevented Spence from landing everything flush the way he wanted to.
He's definitely better off at 140. 135 as well- if he can still make it.
Hopefully them not stopping the fight won't end up being a mistake. We still need him fresh for all the other possible, much more competitive matchups.
You are just showing off that you were at the Premiere of the beef the whole boxing industry is talking being screened on networks finest showtime. Wilder vs Brezeale . This beef is real. Wife’s, children and entourages have all been involved in this terrifying melee. Fighters getting sued, kids getting cornered in hotel lobbies. Fighters threatening kids. What a treat we have in store for us come May 18th. Wilder will promise us like he did against Fury before he discovered that Fury in fact cheated administering baby oil all over his body
So I take it you'll be watching when the real heavyweight champ of the world takes on his mandatory challenger may 18th? I'm not surprised. :cool2:
Hey Eddie, wasn't he already supposed to be a massive star? I forgot no one really knows him over here in the states. People think he's some non-descript bench riding football player when they see him.
He's like the F-list celebrity thats shown on the jumbotron after the real stars and everyone's like "who the f--- is that???
Clowns...
So he’ll fight Fat Ass in America for $32M, but not Wilder for a guaranteed $50M.
Yup, and his Weirdo fans will try to justify it.
It makes sense when you think about it though. If you were a coward would you:
A) Take the 50mil knowing you'll be getting concussed in front of the world and your paper belts taken from you?
Or
B) Take the 32mil and Fight a much lesser fighter that can't really punch, more than likely keeping your titles in the process?
Anyone who had it 5-0 after 5 can’t score a fight. And Floyd put money on Fury. Probably lost a good penny too.
Exactly. People wanted fury to win so they could witness the storybook ending but this ain't a ****ing Disney production.
It was a good fight that was more competitive then I thought it would be. I had wilder winning the fight but I can live with the draw. Both guys fought their hearts out.
Seems like there's a lot of jealousy from Wilder's current peers and past greats as well.
Fury had balls taking this fight when everyone said he was crazy. I hope they run it back but I don't think fury wants the rematch immediately. Hopefully we'll get it before the close of 2019.
Nobody on this whole site agrees with you. Wilder winning?? Absolute bull****.
I don't give a **** if you(or anyone else) agree with me or not dumba$$. The beauty of this is they can run it back and settle this. Guarantee Wilder knocks him out the next time(and fury knows it).
In the in-ring interview after the fight they asked them both if they would like a rematch. Wilder said flatly "Let's run it back".Fury started talking about Christmas and his family and all this other wishy washy bull***** NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION DIRECTLY- F@#K OUTTA HERE!
He was humble as f@#k after the fight(just happy to make it out of the fight ALIVE I guess). Now hes back in the Uk talking all this ***** running away with this week ass robbery narrative.
Fury will get the AJ fight before Wilder because AJ is scared *****less of Wilder and although Fury may be crazy enough to rematch wilder- it definitely won't be next.
Lolol “jealously” ok mate sure. Wilder fans were so quick to scream robbery when takam was stopped early I want to see that same energy for calling out injustices in boxing now. Wilder did not win that fight this is coming from someone who lost a lot of money betting on him
Yes, jealousy mate. Believe it or not a lot of these big bad tough world class fighters have female tendencies/qualities. They try to hide it but it shows in there twitter comments, the biased way they judge fights amd their slick comments on interviews.There's been a lot of hate on Wilder from both the US and UK fighters.
I had it for wilder but I can live with the draw because it was a close fight and I'm a realist.
I'm just going to continue to sit back and enjoy everyone *****ing about the draw. The fact remains Wilder is still here and anyone in the division that wants to call themselves the best will have to face him eventually.
Btw I don't give a ***** about that Takam fight. All I care about is AJ being too pu$$y to fight Wilder. At least Ortiz and Fury had the balls to step into the ring with the real king of the division.
cherry-picked, was aafraid of many boxers like Martinez, Williams, Margarito...was down vs Judah, about to go down vs Mosley but held on, touched the canvas vs Hernandez,...was beaten by Castillo, Oscar DLH, Maidana, Paquiao, etc, ...who cares if he was the highes paid athlete? The reason was pure marketing, people paid to see him lose, like wrestling.
I can tell you are a serious mayweather hater and for all the wrong reasons. You're like a jealous female that's mad the girl that just walked by has a nicer purse than hers. Haha Nancy boy
We get it Eddie, your secret lover is the front runner to face your other secret lover in a pointless rematch.
Please go the **** away then and make this lame A$$ rematch that nobody wants to see. But please stop talking about it. The REAL boxing fans in here don't give a F@#k!
And if u find your brain cells and get them activated, u wont be spilling retarded horse****. Manny looks good considering hes fighting someone who was only trying to survive 12 rounds. All those beltholder haven't fought anyone of note, whether it is Spence or Crawford to try to make them into this unbeatable. Manny has seen it all and with his movement, rhythm and power is still a live dog against any of them.
It's sad to watch your heroes age isn't it?
Your angry reaction to my comment reminds me of my reaction to seeing batman get His back broken by bane on the cover of a comic. Only difference is I was 9yrs old. You're a grown ass man acting like a ***** making "flu" excuses.
No one cares about him being sick. He said he felt great coming into the fight. All I heard from him and his team leading up to the fight was "40 is the new 20" "I feel like I'm 25". After the fight it's "I was sick or else my Performance would've been better." reminds me of the whole rotator cuff fiasco after Floyd beat his A$$.
Pac gets trashed by Spence or Crawford. He gets beat by Thurman or porter. If and when any of these fights are made, you put your money where your mouth is and I'll do the same.
Internet age kids that dont know squat about boxing. The same Crawford that had feats with Gamboa or the same Spence that was getting outboxed by Brook. Manny is miles above any of those fighters and if the fight happens any time this year, I ll make him a live dog in either fight. He can easily out of Spence. Crawford would be the tougher fight but his movement still gives him a good shot.
"Internet age kids" haha you're a funny guy....
If I'm not mistaken didn't both those fights you mentioned end in KO victories for both Crawford and Spence? Do you know how many fights at the Elite level you can say that about? "Uh uh uh he was doing good til he got knocked the f--- out".Kinda like that last fight with Marquez when one minute he looks spectacular and the next he's face first on the canvas unconscious. Manny versus either one of those guys ends the same.
I can't take you seriously. Face it-Manny Is old. It happens to everyone and your pintsized hero is no different.
Now if you REALLY believe the bull***** you spew on these internet fantasy land forums then let's make this s--- real: if/when oldman manny grows the balls to challenge a legit elite welterweight under the pbc banner,put your money up or shut up.
"I'll make him a live dog in either fight" is that your passive aggressive way of saying you'll bet your hard earned money manny? I speak it plain so no translation is needed.
You're just talking out your a$$ f--- outta here clown.
Naw, I disagree. This generation's beltholders are garbage compared to the last generation's and hasn't seen elite competition before. Prime Marquez, Mosley, Cotto, ODH, Bradley, etc. schools them all!
Margarito and Spence would have been a dope 50/50 fight though!
Also, Morales and Terrence Crawford at 140 would have been great but I think Erik would have been too much for Bud.
I hear you but we're talking about 2019. Pac is old now-that's just what it is. If he's able to beat a beltholder at 147 I'll be highly impressed and give credit where it's due.
I never claimed any of the current 147 titleholders were better resume-wise. None of them are fighting each other so...
Morales could box his ass off, he had a good chin and he could punch. I'd favor him against bud as well.
Minus the illegal plaster wraps, Spence would fold margarito. But it would be good for as long as it lasts.
Pacquiao looked great during the fight and considering he had the flu and still had broner on the ropes in Rd 7 and 9 pacquaio did excellent. Also a few means more than 2rds idk what fight you watched broner won 2 rounds max. Lastly pacquiao vs a current welterweight champion would be good if its Porter . PAC only need to stay away from Spence and a prime Thurman. If pac beats Porter y'all gone be like aww Porter won't good if he beats Crawford y'all gone be like Crawford never fought anyone good if h beat Mikey Garcia y'all gone say Mikey's only good at lightweight get the **** out of here folks. Can't please the masses.
If he beats Mikey or porter I'd be HIGHLY impressed and give him the proper credit for it. Don't see it happening.
Don't want to hear about the Flu. He and his team claimed he felt great going in. There's always an excuse after the fight from this dude. Rotator cuff, cramps, flu FOH. At the elite level there are no excuses. He won the fight but he looked like crap in my opinion.
Broner didn't win but I felt he won a few rounds. Both him and Pac looked like grade A horse*****.
If old man senator Pac faces any of the belt holders at welterweight next-he gets KO'd or UD'd.
Haha old man Pac always good for a laugh.
You lost to Jeff horn, beat a washed up matthyse who never was A level and a B level Broner. Even with Floyd being 2yrs older than you with brittle hands, not only can he exceed what you've done in your last 3 fights, he'll still beat your ass just like the 1st fight.
If Floyd decides not to fight your desperate a$$ next, you'll have to fight an elite PBC welterweight or at least a B level one and as much as you've slowed down there's a possibility for you to lose in either scenario.
Delusional a$$ fighters....
Another mayweather/pacquiao situtation and everyone is falling for it AGAIN. This is a textbook long con and we're the marks.
I'll still be in attendance when this fight happens 3 or 4yrs from now getting fleeced for my hard earned dollars like everyone else.
I can't wait until Saturday night. I like fury and respect his fighting/boxing ability but I don't believe he's beating wilder. And after Wilder beats Fury I don't wanna hear 'he was coming off a layoff' 'he needed more fights first', 'the ref cheated' etc.
Save that bull**** for people who don't know better.
With that said I'm hoping for a good competitive fight and may the best man win.
You had me till the last sentence. Canelo fcks both these boys up and yes I hope Canelo picks him..... Canelo isn't MK canelo will go to charlo body and is more compact and is a natural counter puncher..... My opinion. Ducking lol after last night and being in ring with Ggg2x Floyd Cotto Lara........ U joking right........
Whether Canelo is ducking Jermall and whether Canelo can beat him are 2 separate discussions (believe it or not).
Cinnamon/jermall is a 50/50 fight that I wanna see. But he is clearly ducking that fight. Everything about his career choices past and present tell me that he will continue to do so for at least another fight or 2. Or he'll just vacate the belt like he has done in the past.
Facing elite competition is a risk to managing public perception as well as future earnings. That's why cinnamon and golden boy try do so as little as possible. Everytime he has been in a 50/50 fight he's either lost straight up (Floyd, Lara and GGG 1) or it was a close debatable fight (trout, GGG2) IMO.
A fighter who has faced elite competition in the past is still capable of ducking in the present(for whatever reason; money, politics, fear etc.)
These fighters no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me. We've endured too many *****ty matchups to continue to tolerate it and defend these fighters. Enough of the bull*****- I want the best fighting the best now, not when they eventually get around to it.