Now we know the secret of Canelo's rubbish stamina. I run at a faster pace than this for 4 miles no joke. This is not impressive at all. After a 2.5 month break from boxing season I was totally unfit and could run 3:00 literally straight away in the 800m and am now running 2:30 intervals. I weigh about 154 and Canelo is low 70s so he shouldn't be much slower - in fact he should be faster since he is a professional athlete after all. Anthony Joshua has not even had a pro fight yet and on a program in the UK that pits olympic athletes from different sports against each other (not even a serious thing just for fun) Joshua ran 2:26 and he's 17-18 stone and of similar age to Canelo. In all seriousness a professional boxer at that weight should be running 2:20s at worst (in a maximal effort test not intervals).
I agree. I run 6 miles which is equivalent of 25 times around a 400 metre athletic track and on a good day i run each lap 1.33/34 and I'm 16 stone and 42 years old
I'm just winding people up mate, I don't care who would win, nobody can win the argument because Ali is 6ft under ground.
However I do take Arum's opinion over yours and anyone else on here, because he actually watched both men in the flesh.
At least you don't claim that Fury is a bum anymore like you used to.
You pick and choose the comments you take from Bob Arum:boxing: What about when Arum spoke of LOMACHENCKO as being like Ali, you should have listened to him then instead of Arum:wave:
He's a mod, keep talking s*** and he'll ban yo azz.
Fury would batter Ali to within an inch of his life, too big, too strong.
Stop it. Fury batters nobody not even journeymen. Yes he hit Wilder continuously but im not sure if Wilder was more hurt being leaned on the whole fight and actually being exhausted or Fury's punches. Fury is a masterful boxer but he hits like a Middleweight. Wilder should have done more squats for his pigeon legs
Kronk Fury destroys anyone foolish enough to get in his path, Wilder is a 6ft7 240lb beast and Fury just beat him half to death, look at his face after the fight.
Anyone who claims that Fury can't punch is a halfwit, but saying that, you were claiming that AJ was the top dog in the division, and thus ended up looking like a complete fool.
Yes i looked at Wilders face after being hit in the face lets say over 70 times. Look at Usyk's face and AJ didn't even hit him with anything remotely close to the way Fury hit Wlder repeatedly. Fury can't punch end of conversation. You can't compare his punching power even to Brezeale. If you want me to say it slower so you understand i will.
Good to see an intelligent, knowledgeable poster back on the forum. Welcome home lad.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:...... Where has he been.... has he just been released from a mental Hospital? Anyway Fury said he has too much respect to answer such a question but his fans can i suppose considering that its make believe
He did.....and then he got back up, and beat USS Cunningham from pillar to post. What point are you trying to make exactly?
Well if you listen with the intent to understand instead of just reply i would not need to explain. Fury getting dropped by Cunningham and i can throw in lesser men that has dropped FURY further proves anyone can be dropped in boxing. It happens and as you said its not the end of the world when that happens as you pointed out and AJ VS KLITSCHKO is another example of that
Ali was dropped and badly hurt by the midget Henry Cooper & nightclub bouncer Chuck Wepner ffs.
FURY was dropped by Cunnngiham , what point are you trying to make exactly?
Awaiting results from B sample all alleged btw
All alleged but blue blood have access to the news first. It’s embarrassing . So wilder got f#ucked up!! Take the beating like a man regroup and come again but you Wilderlites are a different breed entirely, not saying you are one but from costumes to baby oil, when will these excuses end. Have some f#ucking dignity when you lose
I'm waiting on my source to confirm the story.
https://i.imgur.com/18NCFWk.gif
I seen that video on another thread today, here is my response. As you can see in this gif, whether Tyson was hitting Wilder through the unprotected padding area of the palm of the glove with just wraps and a closed fist, or if Fury was 'Slapping' Wilder, this strike is clearly powerful as you can tell from Wilder's reaction.
But more importantly, judges in real time make the mistake of crediting these illegal strikes as clean punches. Tyson repeatedly did this throughout the first fight, and each time he did this not one commentator from SHOWTIME called Fury out on it ; even in the slow-motion replays.
Absolutely shocking. The rematch is happening no point crying over spilt milk it’s done already. Wilder can not fight going backwards, can not fight up close, has no real jab, has no defense, terrible balance but has an amazing right hand. There is a lot to work on I suggest you focus on his flaws. He didn’t hit the canvas from a body shot because he got hit behind the head? It was the costume
Excuse me? No Loma would have been lucky to get to 5 rounds in that fight. Nice try, but I'm one of the few guys on here who doesn't score along tribal lines.
I'll remember that little dig though, says a lot about you!!
Hey i have to get a feel of who I'm talking to:beerchug:
WARD VS KOVALEV 1
PAC VS JEFF HORN
PORTER VS UGAS
FURY VS WILDER 1
Now if you can tell me who you had winning and your scores. We don't see eye to eye but you are honest, somewhat impartial.
And still been standing after 11 rounds.
He doesn't have that dog in him.
AND?? I don't think many heavyweights can just stand there and get hit continuously with full blown shots and keep standing . USYK couldn't and AJ couldn't i wont get into the argument would they allow themselves to be in that situation after 3 rounds. In any case that further proves my point that Fury doesn't hit that hard. As great as he is, he just doesn't. Wilder's head was being pummelled yet most of the time he went down was from sheer exhaustion. You think if AJ was hitting him continuously the way TYSON was that Wilder would be getting up each time?....... yes yes AJ could never do that to Wilder i hear you:boxing:
Because I score a fight on clean, effective punching first and foremost. Everything else is secondary. You can have arguably swing rounds in the beginning of the fight. Third round could have been a swing round for Canelo. Making it 112-116. Round 5 could have been a swing round, but that's a much harder argument to make. But that would make it 113-115. The last half was all GGG. That's really not debatable.
And to explain why, you do not score points for standing your ground a quarter of the time and the other quarter pushing the other guy backward a couple feet. Especially when the other guy is out landing. Gennady simply landed the better, cleaner punches. I honestly can't see how anyone would see it differently unless they made "effective aggression" more important that actually landing punches.
GGG was trying to keep Canelo outside of midrange. Canelo is most dangerous in mid-range because he tends to have the shorter reach out of most guys he's fighting. Canelo's head movement and ability to slip makes it hard to keep him there all the time. So GGG would have to step back to keep Canelo at the end of his jab. By round three, GGG made a significant adjustment, which was to pivot laterally, rarely letting Canelo sit on his punches. Canelo started to miss a lot at this point.
You can have this a 113-115 fight, but it still has to go to GGG. Some rounds that are debatable swing rounds I gave to GGG because he just landed more and did more damage.
I know this controversial for some, but I don't think people are looking at this objectively and giving the proper weight to the judging criteria. (And this effective aggression argument becomes ironic considering GGG pushed Canelo against the ropes again, and Canelo still couldn't do the same to GGG. It's irrelevant, however, because I score by clean, effective punches primarily.)
I dont agree but i respect what you are saying. The fact you at least try and justify your opinion is good enough for me. Lets agree to disagree on this topic but you make a good case. It was close either way. 113-115 i dont agree but i can accept that
Wilder had everything going in his favor this fight. No tough questions to him about his bull**** excuses. The tranny Kate Abdo basically sucked him off live on TV. Yet he still got knocked the **** out.
After the fight, Wilder runs straight away and goes back to his room without answering a single question. Such a *****! I knew this would happen though. During Wilders behavior in the press conference. Didn't answer a single question, just liked when he was KTFO. Left the ring and didn't answer a single question.
''My people have been fighting for 400 years''
You got knocked out in 40 minutes. Big Sausage **** Wilder. **** you and your team, bow down to Fury the GOD!
''I'm made of pig iron and steel''
- Tyson Fury!
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DAMN you got the win you wanted why are you still mad? Who wants to listen to what he has to say anyway he is on his way to the hospital if you want to hear what he has to say.
I actually mock Wilder regularly but he did his thing today. He hit the canvas face first and took a battering all night. Some people may not have much to say after that and plus did you see the state of his lips:boxing:
I just agreed with him more or less on that one. His analysis was pretty sound. I don't agree with anyone 100% of the time in this sport. For the record he picked Canelo to win going into that fight as well
Fair enough. For the record i picked Lomachenko beating Teofimo but i scored the fight 8-4 , 7-5 at worst to Teofimo. I have this feeling you scored the fight a draw?
So if Joshua wins the rematch he beats a top 2 HW and becomes a 3x champ. It will actually turn out looking better than if he blew Usyk away. :lol1:
I Cant see him doing it. For me he has to stick it on him from the first bell and go for broke. try and bust his eyes from the second round. Then jab him with mean intentions. Maul him. Lean on him/hold him, it is allowed..... Where were the uppercuts.? He hurt Usyk with an uppercut to the stomach. If he tries to box him in the rematch he gets knocked out inside 12. If he goes gung ho but doesnt get USyk out of there inside 6 , he will gas by 8 and be knocked out inside 10.
You said he was deluded if he had it 9-3. I just said that Atlas had it virtually the same way
I know you will find this very hard to believe but Atlas has said some outlandish nonsense and scored some controversial decisions that the general consensus didnt agree but if he is your go to guy so be it .
Thank Goodness! Who needed to see this fight? Teofimo Lopez sure as Hell didn't need it. Besides, who in their right minds would have paid tickets or pay per views in order to watch a meaningless fight between a couple of unpopular losers as these two?
HEY CHAMP, Teo has never lost in the ring so lets clear that up. I don't know anything about the kid outside the ring but this is boxing and i judge him based on what he does in the squared circle and he is definitely not a loser. Everyone he has fought have lost and are losers
Wilder was out of his feet from the second round and he was still able to knock down Fury twice. It took Fury nearly 11 rounds to finish the job while he had nearly dead man in front of him.
Fury won clearly, but he looked in terrible shape. Usyk is much better boxer than Wilder ever could be, with 100 times better skillset.
I believe Usyk can KO both guys.
Again, I like Fury, I respect Wilder as a warrior, but it seems to me Fury is not serious about this sport, again. Usyk is different level animal than Wilder.
Usyk hasn't stopped anyone both as a heavyweight and cruiserweight. He has crazy skills but cmon. Although i do believe he beats WILDER fairly easy
I don't think Joshua would be taking that type of punishment in the first place from Fury. Joshua has the size and strength to hold Fury off of him in the clinch. More like he would just be getting out boxed for majority of the rounds.
But yes, Wilder clearly has an ATG heart. He's a stubborn stubborn man and is willing to die in the ring. No shame in saying that Joshua does not have THAT in him.
Well said...
How does a trainer RE-instill a killer instinct that has been removed ? How many times have we heard corner men tell their guy he has to go for the KO only for him to come out cautious ?
That MCCRACKEN gives him the wrong tactics he is too calm in general. Even when its panic stations he is nonchalant. Joshua looks to him like a father figure. comes back to the corner and asks him how did he do.... He needs tough love. A trainer to tell him " you aint shi8t if you dont let them bombs go".
I Feel AJ needs something , he lacks heart when the going gets tough or a sound plan B. His coach at the very least is supposed to equip him with that.....I agree re-instilling him with a killer instinct is no given. However i feel a new environment will be better than Mccracken :dunno:
Self-explanatory.
The fact that 6 people said yes, their boxingscene status should be revoked. These are the same people that believed UFO were flying around in sunny Miami
You boy AJ is done!! And yes you are right - he will NEVER win until he changes his trainer. Usyk schools him and goes for the knockout. Mccracken is a complete joke lol. But AJ is too weak a person to dump him and take a new trainer.
Do you kiss your mama with that same dirty mouth? Watch who you insult i am a internet tough guy :boxing:
as I've stated on other boxing forums, we may not see Lopez have 10 more fights for the rest of his career. The guy seriously believes he's a superstar and I have no idea why..
He is the undisputed and he beat a great fighter in Loma that most people had him as P4P no1 and he did it pretty handily. Knocked out Commey in 2 rounds that Loma will be fighting next. Its safe to say not many fighters become undisputed/unified which ever way you have it . fighters have achieved less and still act like plonkers. He chose the hardest fighter and most revered fighter from day one and beat him. Until he is beaten in the ring you will refer to him as King Lopez :rofl::rofl:
Yeah. Well, I suppose. I think that's if all things stay "constant." So let's say you and I fight (and it could be either one of us), and I just start putting a beat down on you (or you me). And then we fight again. And again I win. And then I win again. And this whole time you are training like crazy to beat me. Doing things differently. But I just keep winning. It's going to have a psychological effect on you. You're going to really start doubting yourself. And when you get in the ring again, you're likely going to have hardly any confidence that you can beat me. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes if you get that first win on someone, it can have a huge effect. You don't just take away a win from that person; you take away their soul almost. Not always. But it's not like playing the odds. How you win and how you lose and how many times has a tremendous impact on subsequent fights. Fighting is 50 percent mental.
Also the video too was an attack on people bashing Joshua. There's a lot of the LDBC just attacking Joshua relentlessly. And this guy makes a brilliant argument. I'm not sure if you watched, but I highly recommend it. It's very good.
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