There's no way Joshua could have taken that punishment

I’d have to say that was a very illegal blow he dealt Grant . But yea people are to critical because they haven’t watched boxing long enough . There was a guy named zeijko Mavrovic who no one ever heard of and gave Lewis fits ,he was a very skinny guy and much shorter then Lewis ,anyway Lewis couldn’t do much to him even though he clearly won the fight , many people in the magazines at that time were writing him off . Mavrovic actually fought recently on the Hrgovic last undercard but they didn’t show it ,he’s mid 50”s he got a quick win . Taking on guys like Usyk is a penalty these days I guess if you don’t get the win ? How times have changed . :lol1: Oh it was! But this version of Lewis wanted to KO guys, hurt them, as opposed to, for example, the Lewis that beat Hollyfield and hoped the judges would get it right. Holly, made a very smart remark... He more or less chastized Lewis for not taking him out when he had a chance to do so. Well, the promoters and such, the whole division... people have to fall out of love with goose eggs. Do you remember Ricky Hatton? How much he changed after defeating Zoo, a premier fighter, when his dad and management team made him feel self conscious about remaining undefeated? He became a mad humper, losing all his fast feet, aggression. By the time Hatton fought Mayweather he had basically lost all the attributes that made him dangerous. I always say: look at Chisora. The guy loses a lot... But somehow people know he is talented and can win... Chisora hypothetically, to this day, could make another run for it... Chisora fights... He gets decked... Before this scrap we saw this weekend, that Haye Chisora fight, might have been the best in years! And Chisora comes back again, and again... Lets say for the sake of argument Derrick could do what he did with Usyk the first fight. That would make him a threat if Usyk gets any higher climbing. Lol... I don't think Chisora could do that again, but heck, what do I know? If he did it once? could do it again lol.

Oh, he for sure fight in all ranges. Stayed on the outside against Klitschko. But he has developed a nasty clinch game now. Like when boxing was about more than step...step... jab.... step....(If the guy is half dead THINK about throwing a cross...) rinse repeat. :rofl:

Joshua would have been toast in round three. Even if he survived round three, like others have said, he would probably refuse to continue into round four. We'll find out how he does against Fury at some point. Fury will fight and beat Whyte or Wallin next (probably Whyte), then the winner of Usyk vs Joshua (Usyk) and the inevitable rematch and then the loser of Usyk vs Joshua (Joshua). Those are the next four fights that I can see for Fury, and I think he'll continue to fight after that too. He'll eventually retire unbeaten, there's nobody in the division capable of beating him imo.

I dont believe Joshua could of taken that form of punishment Fury dished out and I very much doubt he could of shook off the shots Wilder landed on Fury in the 4th either. But god damn he has tried to find out and both Wilder and Fury have had their chances to prove it and chose to not do it. Especially Wilder who has had many opportunities to sign up to a Joshua fight while team Fury and uncle Bob made no attempts to get out of their Wilder 3 contract when they could of and only pretended they wanted the Joshua fight and were cleared for it while they actually knew Wilder 3 would be next. ​​​​​

AJ gets a panicked look now any time he gets rocked, ever since the first Andy Ruiz fight. The thing is its still hard to say whether Wilder would beat AJ, because while AJ got schooled by Usyk,Usyk might just be the current best hw,& while Wilder did take some big shots he has a history of looking like he wants to quit & stops throwing much after 1st half of the fight at most v elites(vs Ortiz he legit could've lost both fights for this reason) When AJ was getting beat all over ring v Usyk he still was fighting like a normal fighter,Wilder was kd early again & aside from the kds he didn't truly do much fighting like a normal fighter,he gasses horribly & only has that moneyshot When Fury got up 2nd time I told everyone I was watching with that Wilder would open up & go down for good because he has nothing left,& like clockwork boom

Fury fights in all ranges... Its a skill so lacking today in the division. I tend to think it has to do with Ammy training. But the distinction you mention is real. Oh, he for sure fight in all ranges. Stayed on the outside against Klitschko. But he has developed a nasty clinch game now.

As far as clinching, there's clinching done just to prevent in-fighting. And then there's clinching done to maul and manhandle and physically wear out the other man. Fury does this, and manages to throw short punches into the mix too. ​​​​​​It takes some piss and vinegar to weather that storm. Joshua doesn't have it in my opinion. Fury fights in all ranges... Its a skill so lacking today in the division. I tend to think it has to do with Ammy training. But the distinction you mention is real.

Lewis was rocked badly by Briggs early as well . Lewis changed to a click and hit fighter under Steward ,A.J rarely clinches and he gets more hate for not doing it but imagine if he did what the forum would be like now ? Your post is correct 100% and a reminder the majority of the forum haven’t really watched 90”s boxing enough . Fighters sometimes have to evolve. With lewis he actually became a real "killa" towards the last part of his career. the Michael Grant fight for example.

As far as clinching, there's clinching done just to prevent in-fighting. And then there's clinching done to maul and manhandle and physically wear out the other man. Fury does this, and manages to throw short punches into the mix too. ​​​​​​It takes some piss and vinegar to weather that storm. Joshua doesn't have it in my opinion.

AJ got battered by smaller guys like Andy Ruiz and Usyk. But you think Tyson Fury won't batter him? Oh, and that Fury vs Joshua fight definitely didn't happen next. Have you admitted how wrong you were about that? Despite all your claims of being knowledgeable in legal matters? size has nothing to do with in boxing....I think your a bit more wiser than that. Usyk is a handful for anybody and yes small....but his small was bigger than Evander Holyfield , Mike Tyson etc smaller guys are harder to beat because they are quicker , have quicker feet and more stamina. fury was dropped a 200lb cruiserweight so what’s your point ......just move on and accept you never had a very good heavyweight who’s boxing fundamentals were appalling in every department except power and to be honest someone like you who has watched highly skilled fighters and acknowledged them is now trying to add wilder into that category........just use your eyes and watch wilder in the ring. mark my words oleksander usyk is the bogey man of the division now and will be a nightmare for anybody who steps in the ring with him so if Joshua does manage to win the rematch which I think is a tough task it’s all the more impressive. I would not be confident who ever was stepping in the ring with usyk as now I know what he is capable of and that’s coming from someone who picked the bigger man Evander Holyfield was small but he took the baddest man on the planets soul and don’t be surprised if usyk does the same with this era.

Wilder has remarkable will power. It does seem like Fury also can take a smashing and keep in the fight. While I assume AJ is less willful I do like to look at history and what it tells us. Lennox Lewis seemed soft to many. He got starched and never seemed to have that extra gear. Yet when he fough Vitalie, Lewis (and Vitalie) showed some remarkable will power. Keeping in mind that Vitalie also was considered "soft" quitting on his stool against Byrd. Yet Vitalie and Lewis put on a real show regarding resolve... so you never know lol. AJ might be "Fernando" you know the quiet docile bull who one day gets stung by a bee... and becomes the most viscious bull... Lol. Im kidding.

The reason Tyson could maul Deontay is because Wilder has no balance or footwork. Tyson could rush him and knew little could come back because of this. AJ on the other hand is a much more refined, particularly his balance and counters. He has shots like a check left hook and counter right which would mean rushing him would be more difficult. Although he does seem to cover up to combinations now since Ruiz. So, anyway it would be a completely different fight. Wilder was a sitting duck because he simply can't box. Re. Wilder v AJ, AJ punches much harder than Fury, I wouldn't like to see what happens if the fight went past two rounds... Wilders best chance would be early, but his stamina would make AJ a serious favourite. AJ would just box smart for two rounds like he does now and then have Wilder falling apart himself.

A.J won every round in the rematch and it was a style he adjusted to what makes you think he’s not going to win against Usyk when he did win 5 rounds in that fight ? The arguments that he should avoid Usyk is as silly as the Ruiz ones . Shit man....5 rounds? We didnt see the same fight at all. But I'm interested in your take because the fight is happening so I'm open to someone convincing me why it might be different because it does seem like you wont go down the he can 'put it on him' route. Which he is obviously never going to do. I cant get excited about it because what I saw was AJ being outboxed early, making a brilliant in fight adjustment himself to be fair, and then getting buried late and exhausted just like all Usyk's opponents. The only thing I can see that might be different is just stepping right into shots like Dillian Whyte said actually. AJ was that concerned of being countered he seemed to basically neutralise himself at times

This roughly, although I ain't sure Joshua's that much bigger or stronger than the latest iteration of Wilder. Point is he's defensively a far more responsible fighter and wouldn't be giving Fury so many opportunites to maul him. In fact I'd suspect it'd look a great deal more like Fury vs Klitschko than Fury vs Wilder. Wilder's greatest strength and greatest weakness are all wrapped up around that dependence on the right and his entire gameplan inevitably revolves around it which also leaves him supremely vulnerable to anyway who is able to neutralise it. Joshua may not be supreme at anything but as an all round boxer he's far better schooled than Wilder. It would be mainly Fury out boxing Joshua. I don't think Wilder adding all this weight made him much stronger. Wilder is naturally a smaller HW with dynamite in his hands. Joshua is bigger and stronger period. Joshua's shot in this fight would be going for it and committing to his punches but I don't know if he will fight with that style. He may just try to sit back and box with Fury and he's not winning that battle. Still would love to see this fight though.

And still been standing after 11 rounds. He doesn't have that dog in him. Youre mos def correct. He looked scared gettin punched by Usyk

This roughly, although I ain't sure Joshua's that much bigger or stronger than the latest iteration of Wilder. Point is he's defensively a far more responsible fighter and wouldn't be giving Fury so many opportunites to maul him. In fact I'd suspect it'd look a great deal more like Fury vs Klitschko than Fury vs Wilder. Wilder's greatest strength and greatest weakness are all wrapped up around that dependence on the right and his entire gameplan inevitably revolves around it which also leaves him supremely vulnerable to anyway who is able to neutralise it. Joshua may not be supreme at anything but as an all round boxer he's far better schooled than Wilder. I think it would look more like Joshua vs Klitschko, except that Fury will maul AJ more. He's a very large man and uses that size well. He's also very crafty at punching effectively on the inside during clinches. Joshua has a crap inside game.

When Wilder gets hurt his legs stiffen up He was exhausted and hurt for a lot of that fight, but he has a REMARKABLE ability to stay upright, even when hurt. Respect to him.

All you guys said the same thing with Ruiz . :lol1: I definitely didnt. Always thought AJ essentially was wiped out with one big shot vs Ruiz the temple shot. The beat down after that always seemed a bit academic to me because AJ looked like he was on his way to routine stoppage win before and then after...well he might as well have been sparked out. I do actually remember him having a decent round after it as well which if anything was damning for Ruiz because AJ was in the ring but his brain was in Jupiter. Outside of round 5 and 6 I think it was there is nothing to hang your hat on for AJ in the rematch but it's a funny old game.

I think we still need to see AJ in with Fury and Wilder it will be a shame if not. I think they should have chilled their t.its with the Usyk rematch. He was well outclassed in the end. I've no interest in it - how many people are really? Would have been nice to have Fury and Usyk next. Especially with Usyk on the Crest of a wave.

I don't think Joshua would be taking that type of punishment in the first place from Fury. Joshua has the size and strength to hold Fury off of him in the clinch. More like he would just be getting out boxed for majority of the rounds. But yes, Wilder clearly has an ATG heart. He's a stubborn stubborn man and is willing to die in the ring. No shame in saying that Joshua does not have THAT in him. This roughly, although I ain't sure Joshua's that much bigger or stronger than the latest iteration of Wilder. Point is he's defensively a far more responsible fighter and wouldn't be giving Fury so many opportunites to maul him. In fact I'd suspect it'd look a great deal more like Fury vs Klitschko than Fury vs Wilder. Wilder's greatest strength and greatest weakness are all wrapped up around that dependence on the right and his entire gameplan inevitably revolves around it which also leaves him supremely vulnerable to anyone who is able to neutralise it. Joshua may not be supreme at anything but as an all round boxer he's far better schooled than Wilder.