Hopefully those two do fight and when Spence wins he sends a Fk U to Khan. Its time for Amir to hang it up. the 147 division kills him. Every single major player crushes him. 154 would be a massacre so really its over with for the guy. Brook needs to give up on that fight, fight his mandatory or drop the belt. This khan fiasco is done with
As long as the polygraphs are done by an independent party, and Team Povetkin passes, hopefully we see Wilder-Povetkin early next year.
LMFAO boy you will go for anything from that camp. Is this really what it has come to, lie detector tests, as if that would prove anything. What do they expect to find? Are they going to ask one of his team members if he was a mole trying to destroy the impeccable image of Mr. Povetkin, and show the results indicating that his negative reply was indeed false?
This is stupid. You have to admit that this is stupid. Nothing but stupid is coming out of this case. Povetkin and team should be ashamed of themselves. But I guess this is Wilder and Haymon's fault as well.
Yes Mayweather has fought everyone but you need to look more into when and not just the names.
Mayweather for me will go down as a mastermind in fighting people when he knew it was not a 50/50 fight. Fighting them at the right time for him and making the most money possible for him.
If he had fought Manny in 2009, Pacquiao would have had a better chance of winning, still think mayweather would have beat him, and would have walked away with say 50-60 mil. Making people wait and built up that fight like it would never happen and pacquiao getting older and losing some of his explosiveness from a business venture is brilliant. Hats off to you Mayweather, Money is a great nickname for you.
I might be wrong but did he walk away for the fight with 300 mil plus?
Image when Tyson was the main attraction and you would tell him that his PPV record would be beaten by a defence mastermind. Everyone would laugh at you.
Mayweather control of the fight is unbelievable and outland fighters in the punches department.
As a fight fan not fighting when its a 50/50 will always hurt. Knowing that he could have fought more Prime fighters and choosing not too will always mean that he is not a top 5 fighter of all time. If there were more hardcore fan then he would have been forced into the fight.
The fact that he left SRR off his top 5 suggests that he was the true great and does not even want to bring him in a conversation as deep down p4p fighter It goes SRR and everyone goes below.
Mayweather is pretty close to SRR but not TBE. Sugar Ray Robinson is TBE
Hatton said he didn't wait for a right time either. He called the bigger names out when he was coming up, and they didn't want to fight him until he was the man (Oscar, Shane).
Pac's team by their own admission killed the fight early so no reason for Floyd to take blame here.
And as far as the bold; Floyd didn't pick anyone from the old era. Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong Jack John etc weren't on that list either. None of the 100 fight guys were. Why that is the case is anyone's guess, but I don't think it has anything to do with him seeing them as being greater than he is.
147:margarito,paul williams,khan,and bradley
154: martinez & ggg
...stop the prime manny nonsense :bottle:
154: Middleweights
147: Not exactly murderers row. None are atg's and may not even be HOF'ers
At TR the best truly fight the best. Another JWW moving up fr pac smh. But on a serious note sport, f.u.c.k 2014 it has been a distasteful year for the sport. Canelo/Lara was the highlight in a year of mismatches
This fight is going to come down to one thing and one thing only, SPEED.
The faster man will win the fight.
Thats a simplistic way to view it. Its not as if they are equal in most categories. Speed and power are the only stats that anyone thinks they are close to being equal in(all who've fought both say they hit about the same). Chin, Stamina, Skill and reach all go to Floyd. Pac has aggression.
I agree so long as he does not get hit clean , not easy over 12 rounds .
Hell that can be said about every single fighter who gets in the ring with any other fighter. Not getting hit is damn near the definition of winning.
Khans stock has risen, even though he lost
Thats how you gain respect, take a risk, win lose or draw, your integrity goes up
Kell Brook could learn something from this.
Anyways out of that list the Bradley fight could be good, some unfinished business there, Garcia rematch.
No it didn't, he just proved that he is and will always be the guy who gets KO'd when he steps up.
This is shameful. Haymon must want out of the Khan business to let this travesty ride. And GB to take it shows that they are truly on the "protect the ginger" train once more. Hopefully the WBC doesn't allow this to serve as a defense seeing as Khan has only had like 3 fights at the WW limit
Went out and passed the torch without being embarrassed. Its a great ending and he has so much he can do outside the ring. Hopefully he lets the rematch go. Get his 1st ballot HoF spot and does great things with the rest of life
He isn't grouping them together just because the media put that in the quote. He is promoting his own fighters.
The thing is he could've done both and been effective. If he would've said some good things about Joshua and how if anyone can carry the sport now its him, mention that what Joshua needs is a rival, and then mentioned his guy at CW as a potential rival down the line, he would've endeared British fans to his fighter(s) while not pissing them off, but Floyd is not good at not pissing people off.
What the hell are you talking about? Who the hell is Barry Hearn anyway? He is the Dad of Eddie Hearn that doesn’t have any clout. That’s like an interviewer interviewing Wilder’s mum and she states “ I don’t want Deontay to fight AJ he is too big .I want him to actually retire” and everyone uses what she said as ammunition to say Wilder never wanted the fight that’s why he never signed the contract.
Barry is founder, part owner and advisor to the head of Matchroom sports, the company Joshua works for. This isn't the same as someone who is in no way involved in Wilder's career.
Barry is the founder of matchroom you are correct but he has absolutely no say in the day to day affairs of what takes place in regards to boxing. He is a chartered accountant and happens to be Eddie Hearn’s dad. He is not an advisor either. He has as much input in regards to matchroom boxing as Eddie Hearn’s mother
Okay, you can choose to believe that, but I'm pretty sure the founder of a company wouldn't accept a shut up and sit in the corner role in the company he built. He is also listed as a chairman of the company so his word has weight.
That's true, Wildher not getting younger, let's hope big fight happens next year.
Yeah but Wilder has shown himself to be in better shape than AJ. AJ gasses in every fight and is visually bothered by every clean punch he receives. Wilder hasn't had that problem. Heavies also tend to prime later and Wilder is young in boxing years because of his late start. He kind of reminds me of Adonis Stevenson in how the late career start kept him fresh.
But I definitely agree with what's in bold.
When looking at Wilder's career amateur and pro, you can clearly see Wilder having problems when hit. He either wobbles, gets knocked down, or gets knocked out. So you're talking ****.
AJ is getting Ko'd in sparring. One Amateur KO when the guy was going on athleticism alone, a Kd early in his career doesn't show low punch resistance. If he couldn't take a punch that barrage from Ortiz would've put him out.
Being hunched over by a body shot from parker, kd by Klitchko, almost kd by whyte and a general aversion to any staying in punching range does speak about Aj tho
Honestly...what else is Canelo bringing to the table that he didn't bring in the 1st fight?
That's the Canelo we always see. Is he all of a sudden gonna clinch GGG, throw more, have effective power at 160, have better stamina??
It boggles me that people genuinely believe we're going to see this whole different Canelo who's going to neutralize everything GGG does. If that were the case he would've done it in fight 1. That was a full prime Canelo. Now we have a Canelo a year removed from the 1st fight coming off knee surgery. Yet we expect a BETTER outing this time around?
https://i.stack.imgur.com/eQ20E.jpg
Sanchez himself believes that he saw a different Canelo in the last fight than in any before, so something must've been shown. Either that or he is begging for Canelo to be stationary.
I believe it's a bit of both because ggg landed and threw many fewer body punches than normal so maybe there were subtle actions that kept him from taking those chances.
And dont forget the lives of the unborn that reside in all the nutsacks he has destroyed with low blows in the ring :)
I don't agree, but that is F'kin hilarious:nutkick:
Hearn has to realize that Wilder doesn't work for him and more than likely would not fight on DAZN for any reason. You can offer that money, but why would he take it and build up a person he seems to despises' platform? And for all of that talk about Wilder not having fans, Hearn is sure trying to piggy back off of his profile to build DAZN. Hopefully this Fury deal comes through and this BS falls to the wayside. If not Wilder should either, Make Hearn up it to at least 10 mil (I've been saying that any fighter with a base needs to tax the hell out Hearn for the pleasure of airing their fights) or use the offer to get a little more from SHO for his next fight.
You just argued for why Wilder shouldn't take the fight, but advise him to if 10 mill is on the line?
Not one Wilder fan has said anything sensible on this topic. Delusional cowards, just like Wilder himself.
We know you don't want Wilder to face Whyte for the simple fact that you know he could beat Wilder. And where would that leave all you idiots after calling Whyte a bum for months?
Pathetic.
Keep riding that Hearn pole buddy boy its a good look for you smh.
No one gives a damn about Whyte or thinks he can do anything. He is a non-factor in the division and was scared to fight the man that Wilder beat whcih would've made him mandatory for Wilder.
I'd rather Deontay not fight any Hearn guy but Joshua because this cowardly behavior exhibited by Hearn and crew should not be rewarded.
But if Wilder can steal 10-15 million for a Whyte fight and not promote it a single bit or encourage people to delete it immediately after viewing his fight so as not to pay for the app, I'm all for it.
Wilder fans: AJ tries to fight Whyte "That's a terrible fight. Why would he do that? He already KOed him"
(Wilder signs to fight Ortiz) "Great fight. This proves he fights the best. I give Wilder props for this dangerous opponent"
There is no winning with people who are brain dead. Next will be Kownacki (if he beats Arreola, otherwise it's Wilder Areolla II). And Wilder fans will make Kownacki seem like he is the best thing since a young Mike Tyson hahahahah.
None did that the Whyte fight was bad because Wilder fans and US fans in general don't care what AJ does. He is irrelevant here
So Hearn says that a deal between Ortiz and Wilder was already set like 3 weeks ago then acts flabbergasted and disappointed now. Like, didn't you already know this was happening? So was all that extra **** with AJ wanting to sit down etc just theatrics then? The lines been drawn no need for PR moves just get that 50-50 ready for 2020
Well going 12 with Parker and winning his belt told me he is the unified Champion. Beating Takam and controlling the fight from start to finish having endured a horrific head butt at the start of the fight showed me he had minerals. Was the stoppage premature? Absolutely. Would it had made a difference I will let you run with that idea.
Those 2 fights by the sounds of it have had a more significant influence on you? I would pose the same question to you. What did going 12 with Fury and the fight with Ortiz tell you about Wilder?
N.b not his excuses after the fight the actual fight
The Fury fight showed me that Wilder could carry his power til the end, he had the endurance/stamina to push the fight the whole time and he could win rds (especially the early ones) against a fighter with much more experience.
That last point can be said of the Ortiz fight because he was ahead on the cards at the stoppage, he showed amazing heart taking KO shots from one of the hardest punchers in the division without going down. Plus he took a tough fight with a southpaw that he was not forced to take. Wilder has showed tons in his difficult matches
I agree with your assessment although I think Ortiz is unproven too. His first real test he was knocked out in a fight that he had it his own way for much of the fight. Honestly I don’t even think he punches that hard. Him going 12 rounds with Kauffman showed me that
What did going 12 with Parker and getting an undue stoppage vs Takam tell you?
Ortiz is very dangerous and you can't say he has no chance. The more interesting thing to me is how Roach says Joshua is the best heavyweight after training Fury.
he probably got put in his place after that BS he was talking after the Wilder fight. Now, AJ is the best because Roach probably isn't even involved anymore
Pac made a name for himself due to Mexicans. Americans don't even come into it. Pac was already a big PPV star before the Floyd shlt.
He was doing the numbers that he's doing now, or that Spence, Wilder and Garcia did. He didn't touch 400k-1million until his name was mentioned with Floyd