hes known as well as any other american fighter...its not a wilder problem...its a us/boxing problem...its not as popular as it was in the early 90s....
if wilder were a UK olympian hed be in the same spot as AJ...and vice versa for AJ...lets not act like AJ is so special and charismatic.....you switch where theyre from and theyre both in the opposite situation
Lol just cause you don't watch AJ don't mean he isn't charismatic, his way more likeable marketable humble confidence . Majority of the time Wilder just comes across that kid always trying to prove something by running his mouth and saying lifes unfair when he hasn't put in the work like the other kids. Wilder came across likeable in a couple interviews with BT when he was just being chilled out goofball (meant as a complement) but he just alienates himself when he makes excuses or plays the racecard every now and then despite the most successful boxers not being white.
Also let's not also pretend that Wilder would have definitelymade it threw AJ's opponents when he has been getting outclassed by Spzilka and punched up by Molina.
so why are posters here arguing over which rich person is richer?? you seem to have replied to the wrong post..and if 90 percent of the posters here could box why aren't they??? your post really makes 0 sense
Because they're not good enough to make a living from it. Who wouldn't box if they could make DW money?
I'm just nit picking tbh not tryna join in on your argument or whatever.
So you are on here slamming a guy who risks him health while you sit safe at home??
It's not like he's doing it for the the the safety of American citizens he's doing it because to make his own financial gains, celebrity status and love of the sport, I don't get this selfless image we try to create none of them are willing to take a pay cut for the fans. I'm sure 90% of the guys in here would be a fighter by profession if it paid the same as our day jobs and probably 50% of us do it for fun anyway.
oh i know damn well why they are in the US....i just found it funny when AJ said he had to fight wilder in the UK....then wilder said "ok ill do it ...send me a contract for 2018" and hearn sent one for 2019...lol
Why are you consistently lying about Hearn sending a contract with a 2019 date?
The whole problem Wilder had was the there was NO DATE or venue, remember?
Funny Wilder brought it up AFTER WBA said it has taken too long, fight Povetkin or loose the belt.
ive seen more than enough of both AJ and wilder
if wilder was born in the UK and had a british accent and was a UK gold medalist hed be in the same exact position as AJ....if AJ were born in america and a US bronze medalist hed be in the exact same position as wilder
its the cold hard truth
pretending otherwise is just foolish nationalism....in fact the last time a US fighter actually broke through and captivated an audience he acted like a jackass for the cameras.....AJ isnt charismatic...ive seen him...ive watched his doc before the klitschko fight on netflix...and seen many interviews with AJ....hes fairly dull
good fighter....marketable enough...but nothing special...he'd be wilder if he were american.....but keep waving your pom poms...youf inferiority complex doesnt show at all! youre hiding it so well lol
Nah mate, how is it nationlism at all I'm disputing the UKs ability to make anyone a superstar and saying it's more to do with AJs accomplishments and personality making a living as 'the humble guy' beating the big mouth like Martin, Whyte and Brezeale. People love to see the bully picking on the wrong guy its even a thing on YouTube ffs. Classic Cuck Henning trying to make it about race in someway, you're too predictable.
You're blinded by your hate for him and love for Wilder. Try saying AJ ain't special and top ten fighters don't stand a chance whilst also being the No.1 heavyweight in half the fights of Wilder who's supposed to be with TBE manager Al Haymon doesn't cut it. Fury hasn't got a gold medal and he's surpassed Wilder as well.
AJ and Wilder have two different completely different personalities Wilders got a chip on his shoulder and an attitude problem and has to talk himself up constantly.
AJ comes across extremely well in chatshows go check them out, (Graham Norton probably the most obvious examples) and his latest appearance on Sway was alright a bit corny but that ain't a bad thing.
He is also liked almost everywhere he goes he is liked. He doesn't have to be telling people he's the best because he knows he is in his own mind and it shows compared to Wilder having to talk himself up and AJ down all the time. Have you noticed AJ never talks Wilder down even when interviewers try and get him to? That's the difference.
https://youtu.be/FszP4SaGjGQ - AJ on Conan
https://youtu.be/palGYYkD3gQ - AJ in Mayweather gym
"no charisma doe"
At the end of the day your confusing ****iness with charisma.
I wouldn't even be doing this if you lot didn't feel the need to hate on everyone that ain't 'your guy' at the expense of what is actually going on in the real world.
Also the ironic thing is how you guys want to constantly remind us how much more money there is in boxing in the US compared to the UK constantly and then blame Wilders lack of success down to being American. Boxing still isn't mainstream in UK btw.
I didn't say there were any conspiracies here....and I think loma fans would want to see lopez "prove it if he said it"
but when arum says the timing isn't right and he wants to build lopez up a little more to make it a bigger fight will the same guys be ok with it or harp on lopez/arum the way they do davis/Floyd?
you know a lot of lomas fans are also fans of Crawford and lopez........
Crawford fans often tell us that pbc wont make good fights or their guys fight each other at WW...which is complete and utter horse ****
loma fans will demand that davis get in now and make the fight or else hes a clown poosy...but will they be ok when arum says "not right now...lopez is still very young"?!?!
Nah they won't be okay with Lopez challenging Lomas dominance and not taking it to the ring not many fans care what Arum says the only people that will be okay with that is Lopez fans if they believe he actually isn't ready.
Nah I don't have high expectations, I just thought it was bad that's all. Wasn't expecting him to be any good to be honest, I was right. Good thing he is a tremendous boxer. I honestly wouldn't do any better than he did
Though you cut it off though?
:lol1: You silly butterball, I don't give a **** what excuse you tell yourself. A man who got knocked on his ass and then refused to fight again is scared. :lol1:
A man that makes a ***** tonne of excuses for getting a lucky draw and refuses to give the other 50/50 or travel to the their yard for the rematch despite saying they're both title holders is "scurrrred".
You mean not dropping everything the second Princess Josh calls equates to being scared of the Sally? Is that the dumbass ***** **** you expect me to believe?
**** off with your ignorant flippant little girl bull****.
Yeah, it will help Joshua's legacy just loads and loads. He ran his mouth after he was very secure running his mouth would lead nowhere. Wow-wee we are impressed. This whole calling you ******* deal is just my way of showing how impressed I am....so super impressive to get behind the teacher before you run your ****sucker right?
And this business about Fury surviving Wilder by the skin of his teeth being blown up into a win, not just a win but a dominant win, not just a dominate win but a win that leaves no room to prove anything or any reason for a rematch, is just so damn impressive to the Americans given we have no crazy good wins I don't know what else to say other than calling you *******.
It isn't ***** behaviour coming from your fighting men, it isn't flippant little girls in buckle shoes cheering hurray no matter how pussified these so-called fighting men behave, it's that I'm just so impressed by it all I have nothing else.
:lol1: Right.....*****? :lol1:
Wasn't even talking about AJ mate, don't know what you're on about you must have made that link between Wilder being scared and AJ yourself. I might as well throw in Whyte if we're taking it in turns to name guys Wilder is avoiding, the guy who Wilder said he would "Freeze out" for "two years".
Real brave champ you get there boy, so scary.
Well, there are too many inconsistencies with AJ's side of things.
"We worked so hard to build boxing back up to where it is in the UK, so i want to bring the fights here" - Then goes to fight Miller in USA.
I think both sides are probably partly to blame, but it's hard to ignore the double standards of AJ's team when it comes to fighting Wilder and someone else.
Forgetting they've always talked about debuting in America with Miller and never said they wouldn't go there just the wanted specifically the undisputed fight in the UK.
Also now Hearn said in a recent interveiw if he can't get Wilder in the UK and push comes to shove they will travel now.
You guys need to learn that situations change over a year and so do peoples stances to adapt to them, a lots happened since 50 mil remember Fury was supposed to still be fighting daftys like Seferi at this point.
You use words like "blinded" mate but have you ever been to the UK? Have you ever been to the home of your president, Putin in Russia?
Nope, you are absolutely a victim of the mindset that the USA is the hub of the universe, when in fact the British fans are the best in the world. When did you ever see a 20,000 fan invasion from the USA go anywhere to support a fighter? Never. You need to get out of the house mate - theres a whole world out there, enjoy.
Did you mean to respond to me or read my post? Pretty sure you didnt.
Still better than Fury telling everyone he's gonna donate his whole purse to charity to win over some fans and has done nothing to make us believe he actually went through with it.
The thing is, he never said he was donating his whole purse.
he said he will use his money to help charities. There is literally no interview where he says he will donate his entire purse. The media went with the headline and ran with it.
Fury did give his purse to charity, he even confirmed it recently:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/sport/boxing/491322/tyson-fury-news-gypsy-king-worth-deontay-wilder-purse-charity-rematch/amp/
Fair play if he did, I'm bit apprehensive just taking his word for it but could well just be because I'm not a big fan of his.
I love how these boxers want to role play as rappers LOL they always make themselves look stupid.
Come on guy, he's on Sway how could you not fool around like that not even the worst that's been on there tbf but clearly knows he ain't dropping an album any time soon.
You haven't got to be serious 24/7.
How many times have people tried to warn other in regards to Frank Warren? I mean he didn't just get shot because of nothing.
In a way i wanted to say "We told you so" but this isn't something to be rejoicing about when you know a lot of the fight might be even harder to make now.
The irony that the other day I saw a Wilder fan going in on a poster for critising Warren they literally said "all that he's done for boxing" like he was some saint because Fury and Wilder were still cuddle buddies.
I have to disagree with that hypothesis because both Klitschko boys; Who were heavyweights fought in the U.S. On HBO or American television several times and never became mainstream, crossover, box office draws among casual fans in the States and they were white. However, if Deontay Wilder was British he could very well possibly be making what Anthony Joshua does now per fight or at the very least making a lot more of what he is currently making in the U.S. Because boxing isn't a mainstream sport anymore.
Wilder acts like a loud mouth, makes too many excuses and has fought bums his whole career with his only good fights being Ortiz which he made hard work of as the less proven equivalent of Povetkin and a draw with Fury this year.
That's why he isn't that popular.
Do you think AJ would be as popular as he is now if he'd only fought Povetkin and got a draw against someone like Fury?
Big britches for a flat skulled cro magnon.
How do you prove your intelligence? Patting yourself on the ass for the **** you say? Sucking off others who agree with you?
I'm a patented inventor, engineer, chemist, and kinesiologist. I can prove it.
I dare say I might have the highest level of academic and professional achievement on this forum.
Arrogance and ignorance is a bad mix son. Know your role.
Putting this....
"I dare say I might have the highest level of academic and professional achievement on this forum."
and this....
"Arrogance and ignorance is a bad mix son"
in the same post seems like a low IQ move to me.
will the top rank fanboys demand lopez step up and take an easy to make in house fight against loma? or will he be too young and too green in ways that gervonta davis could never be?
by my accounts lopez should be ready for this by summer-late 2020
when arum says that hes not ready to make that fight and the timing isn't right just yet will you support him or hate on him the way you guys do to davis?
I already know the answer....but ill ask anyway
Yeah most people will say make the fight.
If a fighter says they're better than some one or consitently says they don't rate someone around their weight who is largely considered better then they should expect to be called to fight them.
There's no conspiracies here, you think Loma fans are going to want Lopez saying he'll beat Loma and not proving it?
Floyd being on top of the sport and making so much money and setting records really upset alot of insecure people
hes the reason why some people, no matter what he does, hate on everything haymon does and anyone that fights for him....its plain as day.....haymon is hated because of his affiliation with Floyd
people didn't/don't like Floyd....he wasn't the most exciting guy but was beating everyone and making tons of money and setting records
Is that why you don't like anything AJ because he's making money and currently on top? Does he ruin the sport for you becuase of your insecurities?
Hearn sent a contract without a date and said he'd have a date by the end of the week. At the end of the week, he said the date was April 2019.
Hearn didn't even have the dates for Wembley till something like a month later, after the Povetkin fight was a must so that's wrong. I thought I already corrected you on this?
"Why you always lying? Why you ****ing lying?"
I was referring to belts that we can see and stop calling Tyson Fury the lineal champion. The man was stripped of those titles for crying out loud. Thereby making his status as lineal championship both null and void because he popped dirty for doping and PED use for crying out loud. He should have at least one L on his record as a result of it or at best a no contest.
So Wilders a liar and tried to fraud his own fans saying Fury is the Lineal champ?
Joshua is the easy and obvious favorite under the circumstances. Ortiz appears to be showing signs of slippage and decline. Perhaps, it's due to time or from a lack of training.
In any case, he did not resemble the same Luis Ortiz as we all are accustomed to seeing. Joshua should win by unanimous decision or TKO stoppage because the last to go on an aging fighter is his power and chin.
The same Ortiz that looked mediocre against Allen, Scott and Kaufman?
Maybe Wilder just makes fighters look better than they are i.e. Molina, Washington, Spzilka and somehow a 60% Fury look 100%. However to not be a complete hater, so far he has always got the job done which is all that matters when the dust settles. (close shave with Fury though).
Look at classic Trump fans that gravitate to his snob persona. It’s the Hearn era of snobbery. Of course diehard boxing Brits gravitate to that. When you’ve got thousands of men singing Sweet Caroline in a football stadium for boxing, you’re going to get these type of guys justifying Hearn’s character on Boxingscene. Michael Cohen doe.
Wilder seems to have more Trump supporters as fans on here than Hearn as an observation. He even met him in the Whitehouse remember?
Unless there's a picture of Hearn doing a power point presentation in front of Wilder as to why he should sign up with DAZN and another one of them both signing the same piece of paper with "Wilders DAZN contract" in bold across the top they won't believe and even if there was, there'd still be a few deniers.
No because it sounded good for the build up to the fight. You want to create as much awareness and interest among casual fans as possible; In order to generate enough sales for the fight. Therefore it was a good marketing ploy at the time.
However, now us boxing fans know the truth. We know that Fury was never the Lineal champion because he was stripped of those titles because he cheated for popping dirty for juicing, PED use and doping.
So if it's not true and he knows it it's a lie and fraud by false advertisement.
Like I said, man. Go back and look at the fight. How do you win rounds by not landing punches? By putting your hands behind your back? Show me a round where Fury dominated the action. Fury backed up the first seven rounds and didn't land any punches, but he won the rounds because he ...?
Landed more punches than Wilder and busted his eye up nicely, what fight are you talking about?