Tyson Fury had no intention of fighting Wilder next.

Wilder will just fight eurobums and crack head's to reach 50-0-1. Then retire in disgrace and poverty as the worst WBC Champion in history. Legacy doe...

Why would an american HW like Wilder not be offered deals like Joshua and Fury are being offered in Wilder's own country? Are these people seeing what we don't see in the background? Can you imagine Mike Tyson not having a deal with american networks but Frank Bruno has one! If he sells as much as he think he does then surely they should all want to eat from the palm of his hands. Like you said he fought too many bums for 95% of his career, allowed others like Fury and Joshua to take better risks early on his their careers. Those two are NOW being rewarded for taking those risks, after 2 and a half years away Fury took two bum tune ups and went to Wilder backyard to fight him. After shoulder surgery Wilder fought Gerald washington, and took many tune ups. Can you imagine Wilder coming back to fight the top guys after only 2 fights in 2 and a half years? Nope. Exactly. Fury fought Wilder, on a PBC show, when his own team were telling him he wasn't ready and needed more time to get back to his peak form, and is now reaping the rewards for his gutsy decision and performance. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If Wilder really is worth the kind of money his fans say he deserves, then his own promoter would have been paying him accordingly.

Reckon after sometime I'll do a colorline thread for y'all. Most of your post deals with why criticizing Deonta doesn't equate to racism, which is fine, but I asked why you use the same justifications as colorline racists. I say I'll need to do a colorline thread because the bum angle is a colorline justification. Generally speaking just about any justification to keep a status quo has been used all throughout the colorline, and, the thing about that is I though the end of the colorline made the colorline era justifications and rationalizations look really stupid so it just sounds really silly to hear them repeated in the modern era. Because in Wilder's case those justifications are based on reality, and Wilder's colour is not part of my reasoning. If I said a cop was justified in shooting and killing a black criminal who pulls a gun on him, does that equate with saying that another cop who shoots and kills a black motorist for opening his glove compartment to get out his driving licence after being pulled over was also justified in doing what he did? Using your reasoning, the answer would be yes, I am justifying both those cops, because they both shot a black man dead while in fear of their own lives. The fact that only one of those cops had a justifiable reason to be in fear of his life is what makes the 2 cases different.

Wilder doesn't draw because he never stepped up and took risks like AJ and Fury did and because he turns fans off by talking retarded gibberish and playing the race card whenever he sees a mic. He isn't being discriminated against. Far from it. Fury came and fought him on his own turf and got robbed by the judges. Hearn offered him a 60/40 cut, which is more than he deserves, and Wilder's response was to ignore the offer and go on line gloating and bragging about AJ begging to fight him. Many of his fans seem to be motivated more by racial politics than boxing, and they are too dumb to understand that not everybody is the same as them. Why would an american HW like Wilder not be offered deals like Joshua and Fury are being offered in Wilder's own country? Are these people seeing what we don't see in the background? Can you imagine Mike Tyson not having a deal with american networks but Frank Bruno has one! If he sells as much as he think he does then surely they should all want to eat from the palm of his hands. Like you said he fought too many bums for 95% of his career, allowed others like Fury and Joshua to take better risks early on his their careers. Those two are NOW being rewarded for taking those risks, after 2 and a half years away Fury took two bum tune ups and went to Wilder backyard to fight him. After shoulder surgery Wilder fought Gerald washington, and took many tune ups. Can you imagine Wilder coming back to fight the top guys after only 2 fights in 2 and a half years? Nope.

And there is footage of it lol. :lol1: It's not like it's just here say, there is evidence. Yep i saw the footage and i thought wow! He was prepared for any eventuality. Even the interview he gave on a podcast made absolute sense.

All this people really need to pay attention to the referees instruction, I mean he was interviewed a few days later and he was quoted as much. "I told them what would happen if one of them gets knock down" etc And there is footage of it lol. :lol1: It's not like it's just here say, there is evidence.

I didn't actually call anyone racist. I informed you why you hear that criticism often. There's a bit of a difference. :lol1: it is the exact form of discrimination. Wilder just happens to bring less draw. Black bare knuckle fighters and early 20th century boxers just happened to bring less draw too. You're saying because there's only one Wilder he can't be treated, by you, like a colorline era black man? Wilder doesn't draw because he never stepped up and took risks like AJ and Fury did and because he turns fans off by talking retarded gibberish and playing the race card whenever he sees a mic. He isn't being discriminated against. Far from it. Fury came and fought him on his own turf and got robbed by the judges. Hearn offered him a 60/40 cut, which is more than he deserves, and Wilder's response was to ignore the offer and go on line gloating and bragging about AJ begging to fight him. Many of his fans seem to be motivated more by racial politics than boxing, and they are too dumb to understand that not everybody is the same as them.

- -Deyonce has been making peanuts on the dollar because his record is 90% TBAs, and his few legit opponents had serious health issues. In short, he never once stepped up to the plate for a big swing, the reason being he's really lite in the loafers. Read it and weep.

Watch the post fight interview and you can tell he had no intention of fighting him anytime soon. I'll always maintain tyson is very much like floyd who doesn't step into the ring with someone unless the odds are fully in his favour. Fury was also pushing for the david haye fight because he could tell haye was done for before a lot of people in boxing realised. That's ridiculous. Fury stepped up and fought Wilder on Wilder's turf, and he did it when he knew he was still a long way off his peak form.

He won the fight and was robbed. He has every right to tell them to f.uck off. Completely agree with this.

It can't be more clear you're ducking the post. I just want to clarify something with you. When I leave you alone, I think this will be the third or fourth time it's happened, it isn't because I feel defeated it's because I feel your posts juxtaposed to mine say all I need to say about your ignorances and closed mindedness. You know the saying you can only lead a horse to water? Whether the colour line you talk about was drawn because of economics rather than anti black sentiments .. it was still drawn and it discrimated against black fighters because of their race, so it was racist. Fury and AJ fans are not discriminating against Wilder because of his race - how could that possibly be the case when AJ himself is black? So you have no justification for calling them racist or saying they are acting like racists. Those are absurdly stupid things to say.

Posts like this are hilarious. Did you even watch the fight live? Because if you did, you would have seen that the ref told both fighters exactly what he would do and how he would act in the ring if anyone got in trouble etc. He was consistent with this with the knockdowns etc. In other words, with a different ref, Fury doesn't lay there and take his time as much, because like most major pro fights, both fighters know what they should expect from the ref, and be expected to do. :lol1: All this people really need to pay attention to the referees instruction, I mean he was interviewed a few days later and he was quoted as much. "I told them what would happen if one of them gets knock down" etc

Literally the only time I mentioned Wilder in that post: I'll be direct with you. Seems to me you're avoiding the issue because I taught you something you'd rather not have known. Tell me about the colorline son. I didn't need to mention Wilder at all and only did to explain where I'm coming from. You completely and totally disregarded the point: You guys get called racists because you are acting like colorline racists. If you ain't explain how. Telling about Wilder fighting no hopers doesn't speak to how your conduct and what you support is very near the conduct of unabashed racists' in anyway. "You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast the speck out of your brother's eye." Matthew 7.5 "We guys" get called racist because a significant proportion of Wilder fans, like Wilder himself, are so fixated on seeing racism in others that they are blind to their own dyed in the wool racism. It takes a special kind of blindness - or stupidity - not to see that any line which has Fury and AJ on one side and Wilder on the other side is not a colour line!

I realize your post is short and mine long but I'm not going to read **** that's not connected. I didn't talk about Wilder. I even clearly pointed out I'm not talking about Wilder. I spoke about the **** you say and some boxing history. Address it or shut the **** up. You were talking about Wilder. If you don't believe me, read your post.

I'm not a wilder fan by any means but 90% of refs would have waved that fight off. Fury knows he was lucky to come out with that draw. I don't think he wants Joshua at this point in time either. Why do you think Fury called out Wilder and not Joshua when he came out of retirement? Posts like this are hilarious. Did you even watch the fight live? Because if you did, you would have seen that the ref told both fighters exactly what he would do and how he would act in the ring if anyone got in trouble etc. He was consistent with this with the knockdowns etc. In other words, with a different ref, Fury doesn't lay there and take his time as much, because like most major pro fights, both fighters know what they should expect from the ref, and be expected to do. :lol1:

Tyson Fury is probably my favourite active fighter but I'm disappointed with how he's gone about these rematch talks. By most accounts Fury won the first fight, so if he doesn't feel like he needs to rematch Wilder then that's fair enough in my eyes. But why string the fans along as if the rematch is happening next? All we've heard from Warren and Fury for months is the Wilder rematch is happening next and an announcement is imminent. Clearly that was never the case. Fury made some comments about a month ago that alarmed me, something along the lines of "Even if it's not Wilder next I'll be out in May" I raised my eyebrow at it but thought nothing of it. It makes sense why he said that now. Bob Arum's comments in the media and high praise of Fury make sense now also. Warren tried to say at the Presser that this deal has come about in the last week. Yeah.....right. Somehow I doubt that. Strung the fans along for months now when they had no intention of a rematch. Atleast not next anyway. Poor from Fury and Warren. Alot of UK fans like myself who were planning on traveling have had things on hold all this time for no reason. I hear you Dan...What we need to do to get rid of Arum and King is to steal the celery off the buffets and meetings where they attend. I was telling Noel those old guys in the 80's love the stuff! keeps em right regular and all. I say Bob gets no damn celery until he stops screwing up fights like he has done for ages!! Seriously this guy has always been poison. Fury should know better.

:lol1: Yeah, yeah. You know why they accuse y'all of being racist? It's because you use the same excuses to protect men while hoping to see others held back as they did. The colorline was only business as well. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, there's probably a reason for that right? Dempsey should have fought Wills though right? And Sam Langford should have gotten his shot right? And George Godfrey should have been allowed a chance at John L. Sullivan right? I've never heard anyone agree with what happened to Wills, but, I do see people currently agreeing with the conduct that lead to Wills being relegated to 'colored' ranks. I'm not sure you all actually know what you are saying. I mean, you realize throughout the entirety of the colorline black fighters did fight white fighters right? They just weren't allowed to fight high profile whites because white people made more money fighting other white people. Purely business...not racist. Until modernization and then it's retrospectively called racist almost unanimously. So I have to wonder. Are y'all just racists actually or were you confused when youse claim things like the colorline was a bad thing for boxing? With that explanation do you still see the colorline as racist or do you think it was just good business? Keeping in mind the moment black boxers were allowed to be paid they broke records pretty damn instantly. Even in later years when the colorline is a generation behind us. Between Marciano and Patterson, Patterson was paid much more handsomely. So was it good business or was it unfair bull**** spin that was presented in a logical way but only actually equated to a certain type of person being protected from another type? I realize there are plenty of transitives you could assume I'm highlighting about Wilder-Fury through the colorline, but, it's like I said folks like them LDBC guys reckon lots of y'all in the UK are racists because they see those transitives. There's no way for my to explain the colorline as a business practice and it not seem like I'm talking about Deontay a little bit and I don't feel like that because I project racism so much as you lot jump right into the role. I'm not sure youse know you're doing it. If it's fair for Joshua or Fury to take fights against bums and no-hopers then why wasn't it fair for the whites to exclude the blacks? Seems like a trade, colorline for moneyline....which is kind of how the colorline got started in the first place, but, this post is already long so I'll leave that for another history lesson. Allow me to cut through the nonsensical American "white vs black" racial crap and point something out to you ... Wilder has based his whole career on fighting bums and no-hopers. He only wanted to fight Fury because Tyson looked so terrible in his 2 comeback fights! Fury and AJ have both beaten Wlad Klitschko. AJ beat him in his 19th fight. Fury beat him in his 25th fight. Fury's victory over Wlad came less than a year after Shelly Finkel had vetoed a unification fight between Wlad and Wilder with the now infamous words, “Look, Wilder is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight. It's not the right thing yet." Baby Wilder was WBC champion, 29 years old, 33 - 0 at that time.

The cheater didn’t win if he didn’t want to fight all he had to simply do is say I’m not fighting Wilder next. Be professional. He was scared as he was nearly killed and probably suffered a brain injury also. He cheated and still nearly was put to sleep by a skinny man who was 50lbs lighter than him. He’s not a professional he’s a cheater and shouldn’t have even been able to fight Wilder with that crap he pulled with the wbc/Vada any other fighter does that and you people are ready to riot https://perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dawson-crying-ugly-amazing-gifs.gif

I agree with you. But don't pretend like you are doing the rematch and stringing us all along. That's not cool. Let's not pretend that it is not what that cünt Fury does everytime. Although he won the first fight imo he sucks at honoring rematches.

Watch the post fight interview and you can tell he had no intention of fighting him anytime soon. I'll always maintain tyson is very much like floyd who doesn't step into the ring with someone unless the odds are fully in his favour. Fury was also pushing for the david haye fight because he could tell haye was done for before a lot of people in boxing realised. David Haye was the last real fighter I supported heavily and had a deep rapport with, when I watched the Chisora vs Haye back afew months ago? I could see that injuries, where already showing up inside of the ring. I also speculate and read just talk on the street, that David Haye was in immense condition for the Fury fight but basically? His body could not make it through the training camps. 'Adam booth knew this, that is why he no longer wanted to train David Haye in my opinion'. I was not aware until I read David Haye's book, how difficult his camps where 'He was a like a formula 1 car, very specific and astute operating window' when he was in that window he was immensely dangerous. Technically I think Tyson Fury knew his style of boxing could bambozel Deontay Wilder, a fighter who gets out boxed routinely at elite level, he drops rounds all the time! People where acting as if Tyson Fury was taking rounds off A heavyweight Floyd Mayweather or Lennox Lewis. 'He out boxed Deontay Wilder abit, never really beat him up and was decked twice' In my eyes that is not defeating somebody easily. It will be interesting as to who Tyson Fury fights next, because he has recently be slating Joshua for fighting Miller. 'And has cleverly told a irrelivent story that he knocked down Miller 7 times, in order to discredit that entire match up' I don't see Tyson Fury calling Joshua a dosser or abusing heavyweights that much anymore, I have noticed a vivid change in his demeanor since the Wilder fight. 'Whyte was Fury will be a good fight'.