if it wasn't that they or lacking/missing one thing
Amir Khan - I think he would be a great if it wasn't for his chin
Bradley - The last fight he had made me respect him. he showed he had the heart of a champion( could teach Ortiz something about that)
he just lacks power... I don't even know why, since he looks big and strong and his conditioning is off the roof.
Ortiz- I think he would be great! but he has no heart.. dude brings shame to mexicans boxers.. if mexicans are known for something is having heart in the ring.
what other boxers lack that one thing that stops them from being truly elite?
If khan was great his chin wouldn't be such a problem !
Carl froch , he's defantly top 5 at smw. But he lost against Kessler and ward should of lost to Dirrel and was losing on the cards to Taylor till he got lucky . Froch is good but people putting him at 8 or 9 pfp is just stupid
Froch is the fighter everyone wishes every boxer was like, will fight anyone and gives 100% every time out.
Yeah he is a warrior but so was gatti , doesnt make u a top 10 p4p fighter
He ranks pretty high on Ring Mags list and SI if i'm not mistaken. The reason I don't have him higher is because of the era he was in. He had all the tools to be the best ever, but was born 10 years too late.
It's a bit like the kilts they are top 20 heavy weights and if they been around in the 90's they'd probley of proved it but the current crop are so poor they will never get the credit they probley deserve . Also what's with everyone rating wlad over vitali ? He might be the better boxer but vitali has far more overall
Manny p over Hatton cause he made a decent fighter look nothing
Corrales over Castillo due to being one of the best comebacks ever
Tarver over jones I'm a huge jones fan but that was a massive win and the end of jones
Hopkins over trindad this was a big win
Ben over mcllenen big upset and an absolute war , shame McClellan was hurt bad but a great fight still and bens best win
Top 25 till he goes in with a world class opponent , although the way there all running could be a while .i think he can be a top 10 p4p if he's chin hold up against top comp
I will base my pound for pound list on who I think can beat a greater variety of fights.
1) Ward.
2) Mayweather.
3) Rigondeaux.
4) Wlad
5) Martinez.
6) Marquez.
7) Froch.
8) Donaire.
9) Pacquiao.
10) Bradley.
Placing Floyd beneath Ward because I feel the former no longer has what it takes to beat an opponent that has range and height over him ( e.g. Trout). Marquez isn't ranked so highly because despite his impressive win over Pacquiao I don't see him being as effective against fighters who fight him at a distance or not engage. Wlad is fourth, I think he is criminally underrated, his style might be boring but he hits hard and has a very good jab, pound for pound I think his style would present problems for any top fighter.
Good list with thinking behind it !
He did , he won 117-111 on two cards the judge that gave a draw obviously is a fan of spoiling tactics . But back to the point Hopkins isn't top 10 p4p just because he beat Cloud . PAC despite recent form is far more deserving that Hopkins as are may others
at least we know where froch stands. guys like mayweather, broner and martinez won't fight anyone so it's just pure fantasy ranking them so high. yeah they beat the hand-picked opponents put in front of them but let's see them fight the best if they want a proper ranking.
I actually ment to make that a thread of its own so sorry to the tp for changing the subject but I know what your saying but to me p4p means regardless of weight the top 10 boxers in boxing as a whole and froch isn't even on gamboas level it's just because he has been in with a lot of top 10 smw so people feel that warrants him a place in the top 10 .
Froch overrated ?
In my opinion froch has gone from being a little underrated to being seriously overrated . He's lost to ward and Kessler was lucky with Dirrel and very nearly lost to jt but just because he's been in with all the top guys he's rated as high as 7th p4p by people on here . There's no way froch is a top 10 p4p fighter maybe top 20 possibley
No, Pac is not more deserving than Hopkins. Hopkins beat a young, undefeated champion, and imo was not outclassed by Dawson. Pac was ktfo cold.
I love Hopkins mate but we will agree to disagree cause I think he hasn't quite got it to beat elite level fighters good champions yes but not the top dogs
I can ride with that.
Food for thought: Did Hopkins lose to Calzaghe? Has Hopkins truly been beat? Yeah Dawson got the win, but he was pfp ranked in my book as Hopkins was. Hopkins was not that far outside the top 10. When I thought about the 10 best fighters of the moment, Hop came to mind.
I know what your saying he's never been outclassed and I do really rate him , I just think he's slipped a bit from what he was .
People put way too much stock into a single loss!
It's not a single loss he's drawn to pascall and it's quite the opposite 1 win don't put you in the top 10 he's unbelievable for his age but he ain't better than canelo , mares , trout , Garcia to name a few
Any list that doesn't have Floyd Mayweather as number 1, is automatic garbage. The lists with Donaire as number 1 should be laughed at and told as backroom joke to a bunch of drunks. Pacquiao should not even be in the P4P list anymore because he got knocked out cold!! No P4P fighter should be knocked out in such an embarrassing fashion, let alone knocked out. Also Marquez got robbed by Pacquiao, and Chris John robbed him as well, seems anytime Marquez fights fighters from the Pacific he gets robbed.
1) Mayweather
2)Marquez
3)Ward
4)Martinez
5) Klitscho
6)Guerrero( based off recent dominance of 4 divisions)
7)Donaire( Place holder for Rigondeaux)
8)Froch( He will be over Donaire when he beats Kessler)
9)Bradley
10) Viloria (could be higher than Bradley based off recent performances.
Pacquiao don't deserve to be in the P4P top 25... hes beneath the young breed )Garcia, Broner, etc..
What a load of **** u talk , getting knocked out don't mean u ain't p4p standards it just means u got caught with a good shot . You obviously never boxed yourself cause there ain't nothing embarrassing about getting dropped by a world class fighter . Marquez ain't higher than PAC despite the ko he'd never of dealt with pacs recent resume like PAC did , people encourage floyd style cherry picking by going over the top about a loss . If u fight everyone your going to lose occainsionally