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GGG and Matthysse are nothing alike lol. The reason why GGG is so hyped because of the strong amateur background he comes with. 2 Golds at World Amateur Championship 1 Gold at Jnr World Championship 1 Silver at Olympics And has knocked out nearly everyone here in the middleweight division and has had fighters literally ducking him for years. Their styles are completely different and one of them never went close with the likes of shot Judah or Devon and is a pure undefeated fighter.

Its funny that you rank a guy above someone vs whom he lost to or drew with. Before canello ggg had all th4 belts bar one, same story afterwards. It baffles my mind how could someone have canelo over ggg in any list. Further more, Charlo is yet to do any thing in the 160 division and you have him over Jacobs. Lol, you are stupidly biased.

1. Canelo 2. Cotto 3. Ward 4. Eubank jr.

GGG deserves the second spot as his real resume is Jacobs - Forfeit BJS - Forfeit Canelo - Forfeit Cotto - Forfeit Dominic Wade - KO Kell Brook - KO David Lemeiux - KO Daniel Geale - KO ...... Lets be honest here, all these guys saying they need more time more years more practice and dropping belts is a clear balant duck which indirectly proves these guys already know the guy is better hence they have already conceded. Had they made the fight (I am not even included some other ducks like Martinez, N'Dam etc) GGG would already be top 3 MW of all time. Also to note that resume is very subjective and in this case GGG had not even had a close fight with anyone, he hardly loses a round. Talent and seeing things also plays a huge part in p4p and all those fighters, coaches and experts are not idiots when they praise GGG heavily while watching him. Its the same reason Lomachenko is considered one of the best talents and p4p fighter by many despite only having 7 fights. Same goes for Rigo who is in my top 5 p4p. You can look at these guys and tell the difference. Also, anyone who includes Canelo in top 5 needs to stop watching boxing. He would be lucky to break into top 10.

Every good fighter has goals they are trying to achieve. GGG's goal as his team has clearly said many times is to win all the belts and be the completely undisputed middleweight champion of the world. Knocking Lara out does nothing to further his goals. Lara isn't a big money fight either. Lara mostly ran from Canelo so he would run even more in a fight with GGG. It would be a dull fight until GGG ended it with a KO. Lara has been crying for a fight with GGG for at least two years now but no promoter has ever made GGG a cash offer to fight Lara that I am aware of. That is always step one for any boxer who is really seriously wanting to fight another boxer. In all this time Lara has been calling out GGG he has never once called out Jacobs or Saunders. Why in the fuc not? Why only call out GGG? If Lara beat either of the other middleweight champs he would certainly get a fight with GGG. GGG would then have a reason to fight him. Lara isn't even in GGG's class as a fighter. Lara lost to Williams and drew with Molina and Vanes. Lara was knocked down twice by slow, plodding mediocre Angulo. GGG has never lost a fight or been hurt or knocked down and he seldom loses even a single round. GGG would easily slaughter these guys who gave Lara so much trouble. Lara would just be another GGG KO victim but right now GGG has no logical reason to fight Lara. Great post. Appreciated

GGG in two.

If he becomes undisputed at 160, then becomes undisputed at 168 and then get few belts/good names at 175 then he would be close. Abel said the most GGG can go upto career at a later stage would be 175. Provided the elegance, fear factor and dominance he has brought into his play he has a shot but its very long long ladder to climb given all the things work out his way.

I wouldn't really have Canelo there, we all know Canelo would fight him if not for his promoter. And who selected that promoter for himself? Canelo. Canelo not having a say in this fight is one of the most hilarious thing I can hear from a seasoned boxing fan. He could have not signed for the Liam fight and told oscar that he is not fighting anyone unless he makes the Golovkin fight. Oscar can only advise canelo and Canelo swallows those recommendations. If he had any faith in himself he would have pushed for the fight instead of hiding behind the GBP banner. They don't even have a network or promotional issue between them. Its a clear balant duck.

I roasted Canelo for Khan and I am not happy at all with this fight despite being a huge GGG fan, even though Brook is huge and can be considered a 154 pounder. If GGG/Canelo fight Rigo who no matter maybe the most skilled fighter in this world but it cannot be considered even a win on your resume let alone a good win for obvious reasons. I can't imagine how GGG and Abel accepted this fight. Maybe Eubank declined and betrayed at the end time and they were left with no opponent for a fight in September. As someone said, GGG walked down a HUGE Lemieux who finds it hard to make 160, there is no way he should be fighting smaller opponents.

I don't get it. Everyone who hated GGG to be on the list are happy to see Loma there, because of what? the eye test? the screen skills? or 7 major fights? And to add that he lost one fight out of seven and beat an average opponent in Martinez. I don't understand this hypocrisy. Resume doesnt matter when you have your favorite on the list.

Strange because where ever I look almost 75% of the people are picking Ward. Ward by UD.

Its easily between GGG and Kovalev but between them I would choose GGG simple because p4p GGG is a harder puncher.

Duckers of GGG Sergio Martinez Felix Sturm Hassan N'Dkam Miguel Cotto Canelo Alvarez Billy Saunders Daniel Jacobs. Ofcourse he is too good. One of the best ever.

I suppose there is an argument to make for Andy Lee being the best guy on GGG's resume, but Eubank has more prospect caliber wins than contender caliber wins & I view him as more a prospect then legit top ten contender still. And GG has a ton of top ten contenders on his resume. And I say that as a Eubank fan. I agree. One of the problem with boxing world is that they fail to acknowledge the timings of the fight. When GGG faught Proska, Macklin, Murray etc they all were top5-10 MWs. Just like when Floyd faught Ghost he was an undefeated top contender, if ghosts went on to become trash doesnt mean Floyd doesnt get full credit for it. Boxers like Zab Judah etc all went on a downhill, but because of the timings Floyd gets full credit of beating them.

Like the first Maidana fight. Can't believe people actually think that fight was even close. Maidana didn't win a single round after the 5th, and in the first five he won only 3, arguably only 2. Floyd was landing by far the cleaner, more effective punches in every one of those rounds, and he landed more punches overall. Maidana was rabbit punching, karate chopping, low blowing, muo thai kneeing, football tackling, and on top of that hitting arms, shoulders, and elbows. He landed some punches but come the **** on, that guy didn't go anywhere near winning that fight The judge who scored it 116-112 was closer to the truth. I had it 117-111. Just coz a guy tried his best and worked hard don't mean he won a round if the other guy is killing him both up stairs and in the body with clear, unmissable punches landed. Like the first Castillo fight as well. I gave floyd 14 rounds in total with 2 bonus round wins for a complete shutout.

GGG is ready to give him a bigger split so he could pay his hospital bills after the fight and yet he still ducked him hard. Anyone who supports him do us all a favor and die out of guilt. I hope GGG now accepts whatever CW he offers and give him a beating of his lifetime

Khan won the first four rounds and arguably the fifth as well. Not only to me but by many boxing coaches and boxers around the world. He couldnt out box Garcia for more than two rounds yet people mostly pick Khan in a rematch and know and a bit here and there it would have been a schooling lesson for Garcia, yet when it comes to Canelo fight at a higher weight where Khan outperformed his Garcia performance people suggest Canelo wasnt having any difficulty. Canelo was badly missing so many shots in the first rounds it was awful to watch. And Khan beats Lara, style vs style his style is very good against Cuban boxers. Wide UD for Khan.

That's not the point. The point is you can't anoint a fighter until they've actually done something. A fighter should never be praised until they beat top fighters. And should he praised/not be praised if every other Top fighter has ducked him ?

Donaire is a future hall of famer and one of the best fighters of the last 10 years....Agbeko is a former champion and is rico ramos.....murray never beat a top contender and lost all his big fights...lemieux is decent but "meh" do you think lemmie and murray are better than all those guys at 126 and below no one watches(i do) and the usual suspects. lemieux at least beat N'jikam who the hell has murray beat besides euro level guys Its too early to say whether Donaire is a HOF and one of the best fighters. He has always lost whenever he stepped up. Talking about former champions, Kassim Ouma , Geale, Rubio all are former champions including Lemieux now. And you just proved my point as to why Resumes shouldnt be the sole criteria of judging a fighter's capability as you seem to give Murray no credit at all. A straight forward hater like you would just see a L on record and degrade that boxer into some bum without ever knowing or analyzing the real fight. And even then, Rigo and GGG does not have that massive of a difference in their resume that one is top 3 and the other is not even in top 10. Your hypocrisy again, is hilarious. Unlike you, I consider both Rigo and GGG p4p as they have stood out since their amateur days because I don't hate someone for no reason.

ding...ding...ding...you know this thread was in reference to the CAN man....top 3 p4p without even beating someone top 50 p4p...he aint done ish for that lofty position Without beating top 50? So Murray Lemeix Geale were not inside Top 50 ? Yet you have Rigo in your p4p as no.3 with only one good win of Donaire (who was also moving up in weight and has also lost again meaning he is no elite), Trolls like you have an unparalleled hypocrisy.

Donaire always lost when he stepped up? Montiel, Vetyeka and Vic are better than anyone coward golovkin fought. Its funny how a fan of the most overrated fighter of this generations who cheats his way out of close fights to get victories is calling others cowards who actually fight and win against fighters their own size. p4p my aunt is a better fighter than the fraud i.e Canelo. And that is a fact, my aunt used to spar.

The thing is - resumes are utilized blindly, without distinction HOW the fighter fared against his opposition, just based on the mere fact that he faced them. To me this is oversimplification. Canelo faced Floyd and Lara. And was beaten by first and had a draw (in most views) with the second. But they are "on his resume"... I agree. There are people who consider even a L fight as a part of fighter's resume. If that were the case Darnel Boone would be p4p.

@ 154 he loses the rematch to LARA, all other fights are 50-50 though this fraud can always cheat his way out for a decision victory. That is why 160 is more interesting, which also happens to be his original division. @ 160 he gets sent to hospital inside 4 rounds by GGG. Saunders is a 55-45 fight in favour of Saunders but again the judges facor come in. Jacobs knocks him down twice to win a wide UD. Lemeiux knocks him out cold inside 9. Eubank bullies him throughout 12 rounds.

Some of these aren't on the radar right now, and some aren't even possible right now, but this is what I would like to see. Canelo BJS Jacobs DeGale Ramirez Kovalev Ward Cotto Eubank Jr J-Rock Jermell Lara This post asks for the preferred order for his next fight, not his career. So even if he doesn't get the first 3-5 of your list he won't go two divisions up to fight Kov/Ward that too right now.

Had this fight been made before the Canelo fight it would have been a good PPV. One of the things Khan is most famous for is his knockout vs Garcia. Clips has/had literally gone viral. The first fight and its reaction had such a spark that the second one would definitely be a feast for the boxing fanatics/casuals alike. Now that Khan is coming off a knockout loss I don't think it generates that interest

Canelo has to be one of the most overrated boxer of this generation. He doesnt even have a basic jab and misses too many of his right hands. Lemeuix knocks him out cold. Stevens I guess Canelo would edge it on points thanks to the golden boy judges corporation.

the top 10 fighters in the world to me with a combination of the eye test ,resume is, how well they perform vs high level opposition, skills, and versatility. Thats how I see is as well, but it all depends on the percentage of each factor you distribute. You said you consider Garcia p4p and not Golovkin, yet when you imagine them of the same size in the same division fighting, whom would most of the experts pick to win? Whom would you pick to win? I for certain would pick Golovkin, for he is better skilled and more naturally talented. That is the answer to why GGG is on most p4p lists but Garcia despite having a 5x better resume is not.

Another Bum for the BumSquad.

HBO Hype Boxing Office. Canelo, Pacquiao, GGG, and these days Crawford are immensely given a shoulder by HBO. Out there guys are from champions' clothes but God knows why they don't get the spotlight they deserve, primarily Andre Ward, following Lara, Rigo, Kovalev. Rigo has one good win. Lara has no good win and two losses. The bias here from you is shameful

It can be a close fight for we dont know yet if Joshua is elite level of not. Remember Price had the same british hype and amateur pedigree around it with a healthy undefeated record before you went all glass. For all we know Joshua could be on the same route.