No option for "fuck em all" so i didnt vote.
UFC/MMA is gaining on boxing because of 2 main things:
multiple champions (5+ "champs" per weight class) ...and there are too many weight classes anyway
corrupt judging...and there are no consequences for said bribery
First of all do you think that perhaps Crawford and Spence are both a bit of the ole eyetest? For me they're maybe just that touch above say an Ugas, a Porter I wouldn't even say a level or a cut above. They're just that little fraction better.
I'm not mentioning Manny because its a given he has great success in any era and holds his own when compared to anyone and Floyds long retired so lets exclude them both please.
Spence, Porter, Ugas, Crawford, whoever else you want to throw in from WW -
How would they compare to lets just say that mid 80s American boxer-puncher era that was full of very tall, rangy, hard hitting and extremely fundamentally sound WWs? They wasn't these 5'6 & a whisker WWs with 69" reaches these were a good 5'10 and fought like it.
Just extremely well schooled basics. Beautiful crisp punches that looked effortless, sharpness which I really do not see today, much at all actually.
I am talking guys like Mark Breland, Donald Curry, Marlon Starling, Milton McCrory throw in a few underrated Brits from this era in Colin Jones and Lloyd Honeyghan
Maybe also Simon Brown and whoever I've missed.
How would they fare in this horribly underrated era largely ruled with this classic American style?
Does Spence compete with guys who are just as big and have better fundamentals than himself? Can Porter have decent success or would it be Porter vs Brook 2 all over again? What about Crawford and the likes?
This WW era is so strong that its best fighters are competing to fight a 42-43 year old Pacquiao so they can "put themselves on the map".
That about sums it up
Yeah, Pac's camp don't know about it for sure. You can see how serious Pac is training for this show down with Spence. He was highly motivated.
Spence kept it down low.. Really sneaky how they kept it under raps only few days left before the fight.
I think they already knew a few weeks back that Spence can't dance with Pacquiao. Some time, when that leaked Spence sparring video showed up showing Spence looking terrible..
Then.. there was silence..
Then..
BAM!
FLAKE OUT!
You know what...when you combine that sparring video of Spence looking bad with the fact nobody has seen Spence "injured". This is looking like an opportunistic withdraw more by the minute.
Manny excels versus orthodox so he'll be fine against Ugas. I pray Manny doesnt sign to fight Spence again tho after this travesty. Embarrassment by Mr Man Down who cant even MAN UP
well call them out, just like i called you out...... You being negative like them just makes you just like them
And you being a black supremacist is no different than a white being white supremacist. Great job cleaning things up Larry
Now take King out your avi. He's on a level of his OWN and is LEAGUES above Malcolm or Barrack. It's insulting to bunch them together like they had ANYTHING in common
Manny was gonna retire Spence. Spence is quickly becoming Thurman with all these injuries.
Manny #1 WW until proven otherwise
Crawford - and NOT Errol ManUP Spence - is #2 now
I said why I brought up Floyd.... If these guys stayed consistent with their suspicions I wouldn't have called them out, but they used this situation to bring up Floyd like they seem to always do.
I never seen a fanbase obsess over a rival fighter in my life.
I seriously doubt Wilder fans will be randomly bringing up Fury for the next 5 years. Same as other fanbases
What you have for dinner PacFan? "FCK Floyd" Lol I didn't even ask you anything about boxing lol
Wilder fans praise Wilder, a guy who says he wants to "take a body"...then those same fans act like little Trumpers with conspiracy theories....:
COVID ISNT REAL
Gloves was FAKE
EGG WEIGHTS
Trainer POISONED HIM
Outfit WEAKENED HIM
And we can dance around it all we want but boxing is TRIBAL and RACIAL. Its the ILBBC that cant stop talking about and bigging up Wilder.
Any fanbase can be toxic. The GGG groupies were awful too and they were racist also. Floyd fanbase arent racist but they act like theyre better than others all because Floyd was 49-0...Floyd has a good record but its far from SRL, SRR, and, yes, even Manny Pacquiao. Nonetheless Floyd is in the company of the BEST to EVER do it and is arguably #1 defensive fighter EVER with Pernell and Sweet Pea.
Spence "injury" looks very suspect. Talking about retiring people and then just, poof, immediately withdraws from career defining bout.
Spence is supposed to be this ATG WW who, at 31 years old, has 2-3 quality wins on his resume all at 1 weight class. Its not for lack of options as Spence has consistently passed on fellow PFP and undefeated, across 3 weight divisions including lineal reign at 140, Terrence Crawford as well as Keith Thurman and now Manny Pacquiao.
Spence also wants nothing to do with budding stars Jaron Ennis or Vergil Ortiz DESPITE Spence saying he wont fight Thurman because hes a "cornball" and Thurman didnt give Spence a shot on the way up...yet Spence doing the EXACT SAME THING but its supposed to be different..?
I am definitively NOT a Spence fan. His career is built off fucking sparring stories with a 35 year old Floyd LMAO
Maybe. PAC’s guarantee purse was said to be $5mil. The reason for the low purse is because of the Pandemic adjustment that the sports world continues to impose, so PAC would acknowledge it anyways. The PPV upside is where the money banks in, and Team PAC knew this. Joe because PAC’s rate is actually significantly low, I think he still makes that minimum purse. You can’t discriminate against Canelo’s minimum guarantee just because it’s a higher number. That’s where fans forget about legal and fair rights. PBC MADE the offer to team Canelo, so the funds are there for a guarantee, said so by PBC, and one can’t say that’s it’s because of Plant. I think a Benavidez switch would make up for it or Charlo. It honestly would and those fights have had a bigger narrative than Plant. So PBC wouldn’t want to acknowledge that because they’re taking advantage that if it’s not Plant the value isn’t there. Fair game to them. PBC has the right to be insecure in not releasing Plant since they lose a belt, but don’t give us that a Canelo presence on Fox regardless wouldn’t cover the original offer.
But let all be realistic. Looking at the pattern of recent events with PBC, would Haymon really want to SPLURGE on giving Canelo $40mil when Plant has little chance in beating Canelo? Let’s all be honest, Haymon would have to be an open gambler to even want that and this sport isn’t a game with revenue loss… plus he would look stupid to Fox unless he can guarantee them that Canelo would make another appearance on their network even if they lost the belt to the Mexican.
PAC’s purse can stay the same because Spence’s purse would be gone. Meaning Spence, also affected by the pandemic decrease, would probably be guaranteed 2mil, maybe less. That means, Ugas, also hit by the pandemic guarantee, would make probably Plant’s highest payday or $750k. Means if PAC’s purse went lower, the difference from Spence and Ugas would cover PAC, so might as well keep it $5mil.
That's a long way of saying Ca$hnelo styling on Al Haymon and all his PBC girls
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Did I say anything about race????
And why are you assuming I support LDBC? You clearly assuming stuff cuz I'm black. You say don't make this about race then immediately make it about race.
Youre dancing around race so I called it out.
And I love how you glossed over everything else I said. Why are they bringing up Floyd?
Why are you bringing up Floyd? Who cares about Floyd?
I brought up Wilder, Canelo, Etc cuz they fanbase can be toxic too, but these guys are the worst imo.
I agree. Wilder has a TOXIC fan base.
They constantly talk shyt about Floyd for no reason then when anyone criticizing Manny or don't agree with their opinions about ranking his wins etc. Your a hater.
I regard Floyd highly but - dont get upset - I do rank Manny ahead of Floyd.
Floyd is Top 25 EVER. Special fighter. I dont know where I have Manny and Floyd but Manny is a bit ahead.
Bernard Hopkins didnt have the highest PEAK but his longevity has literally NEVER happened before. Manny has a very high PEAK and, as far as we know, his longevity is reaching Top 10 EVER...pretty special.
Crawford refused to sign the fight with Pac's in May, the Bob Father, after the money backers changed their minds, said he will not promote the fight anyway since he knows Crawford will lose him money. And now, Spence has an eye "injury", same time Ugas' opponent Maidana also has a similar injury. C'mon man!
Spence and Crawford just showed the world they are scared of the old guy, but Arum and PBC also is trying to cheat Manny and the fans by giving us a fight we do not like.
I purchased the PPV via credit card. I canceled that purchase today. Oh I will see the the fight but you greedy F^u*c*k's wont get my money!
That is the stat of boxing to day!:boxing:
Ugas is PBC and so is Manny and Spence. Arum actually has nothing to do with this one. This was all cum boy Haymon
Ignore the trolling IDIOTS who are saying his career is over
He lucky they discovered to tear because it would've end up detached ultimately
His career is OVER. Time for YOU to unwrap your LIPS from his DICK...and move on to the next one
...u goddamn sicko LOL
This post makes no sense. Race card as well.
just for clarity Which fight did I have the black guy up 6 rounds before the fight started?
please be specific. Just a warning- please don’t say wilder v Fury 1 or Ward v kovalev 1 because you know I scored those fights for Fury and kovalev. I also hope you don’t mean Mw charlo over devrychenko or jmw charlo over castano, as I had the first a draw and the 2nd castano winning.
The Big Dummy !!!
Manny making you back pedal and change your stance on EVERYTHING XD XD XD
The Spoonster still sees Floyd losing in slow motion.
now spoon23 is implying Ugas knew Spence was gonna pull out and he would face the Manny!
I see Floyd in a DRAW with Manny at regular speed. The fight was a wash and NEITHER guy did anything. For whatever reason Floyd got credit for missing jabs and blocked rights.
Doesnt really matter tho but i like both guys
Look at my post count and look at yours... Moron. I'm hardly on here because I'm actually in the real world.
I can tell you a "real one" with that avi...
1. Immediately accused the heavily favored boxer of ducking within seconds of the news of an injury.
2. Immediately start bringing up Floyd Mayweather like he has anything to do with this fight.
3. Immediately accused Spence of wearing a fake eye patch, and pulling out the fight cuz of "training clips"
4. Tried to change the narrative of Manny shoulder injury which he recovered from "via beach water" but show zero respect to Spence having an unfortunate injury
I feel bad one of the best fighters in the world have the worst fanbase full of fans who only follow Pacquiao and only show respect to fighters that make Pacquiao look good or fighters just to discredit Floyd Mayweather. Lol. Smh
Question how often do Canelo fans bring up GGG? How often do Wilder fans bring up Fury? How often do AJ fans bring up Wilder?
I'm convinced PAC Fans will take their hate for Floyd to the grave and ask to leave insults towards him in their own obituaries. ....sad ain't it.
Hope they get the help they do desperately need.
So Bernard Hopkins - a respected, lengendary boxer - suggests Spence injury is fake. And by the way Bernard Hopkins is black, too, so dont try to make this a race thing...
Yet all the Pac fans are "bad fans"...because they dont share your OPINION..???
Sorry bro. The ILBBC youtube movement is for the black community only. They offer little to no actual insight and this thread and supporters prove it. Hopkins, his HOF self, is very suspicious too...for good reason.
Spence was about to get hurt versus OLD Manny. Imagine ducking a 42 year old 10 days from fight night after saying you were gonna "retire him".
LMFAOOOO
Manny #1 WW
Crawford #2 WW
Deal. With. It.
Ugas actually said in an interview he heard about Spence possibly being injured days before the announcement and heard he may be the replacement so he started getting ready for the possibility, the possibility which came true.
Imagine being black and republican in 2021. Jesus, natural selection happening right before my own eyes
Spence lost the biggest payday of his career in the highest profile fight he’s ever been in. If Manny loses to Ugas he never gets it back.
why Manny c0ck riders think that is him not being sure of himself is crazy.
...the same way ILBBC dick boys (like yourself) have the black guy up 6 rounds before fight starts.
You big dummy
Great fight for Tank. Tank moves up again to avoid more difficult opponents like Shakur, Teofimo, Loma, and Taylor and fights an inactive and shopworn Thurman.
Tank is great to the body and Thurman cant handle body work evidenced by Manny, Josesito Lopez, and Luis Collazo. Combine that with fact that Thurman hasnt hurt someone in quite a long time.
Tank wins via stoppage, honestly
I support this.
I'm not a big floyd fan but I wish him the best going back to school.
Kinda reminds me of Billy madison.
This is fuckin hilarious XD XD XD XD
It was not to be for Manny on the night, two cramped up calves hampered his movement from the second.
The question is, had this not happened, how many rounds would Ugas have lasted?
Not sure. Clottey lasted all 12 but he just shelled up entire fight. Can see Manny stopping him 6-8 rounds or just winning 12-0.
Tell us about your family? Lol. Your screen name alone smells like trailer trash down by a river. My boy Canelo funna teach this pre-silk boy-George-hat-wearing to the late plaid shirt truck driver hat is gonna show this kat levels
Kayley Plant is going to get her shit pushed in.
Worse than Borat even who was converted from Muslim to Atheist overnight after Ca$hnelo styled on him in the rematch
Errol Spence's stock went up after Pacquiao-Ugas.
He would have killed that version of Pacquiao that showed up on fight night.
Errol couldn't see his way thru a doctor office LOL