You keep saying that same stupid thing.
I know for a fact that Dubois chose not to beat the count after being knocked down by a jab. I do not know, nor does anyone else other than maybe Usyk, if he could have beaten the count if there had been one.
There is no way Usyk beats the count. It's wishful thinking to believe so. While there is a small element of doubt which you could postulate upon, the reality is that he was severely hurt by the body shot and he even crawled away from Dubois on his hands and knees after it landed. He didn't grab his balls like he was injured in that region. We all saw what happened and how he reacted. That was a hell of a body shot and he folded. Martin Bakole knocked him out in sparring too, apparently with a body shot.
Dubois later got knocked out by Usyk because he gassed more than anything else. He'd already won the fight by knocking his opponent out within his 6 round window of opportunity but the opponent was given time to recover from that punch while Dubois adrenaline was being drained from the delay in waiting. History will look back on that fight as an egregious robbery.
Great idea TS.
This fight should headline a card with the semi main being the Jack Catterall v Sandor Martin undisputed JWW title.
Lol.. That's a good idea too. Although that card wouldn't pay them much. I think they should have Ngannou vs Dubois fight as the co-main of Usyk vs Fury. A fight between the two guys who already beat the two champs. That'd be kinda surreal.
Dubois quits, again.
Does Joyce do anything better than Ngannou? Real question.
Joyce sparred Ngannou a few years ago. Said he's not bad and a heavy hitter, as Fury found out when he got beat on Saturday.
Does Joyce do anything better than Ngannou. We'd have to see the fight to find out. Parker and Dubois do several things better than Joyce but Joyce still managed to get the win those times, partly due to his punch resistance. But those fights probably also contributed to his punch resistance fading badly which eventually allowed Zhang to wobble him in their first fight and knock him out clean in their rematch. All that damage caught up with Joe. Whether he beats Ngannou or Dubois in a rematch is difficult to say at this point in his career.
Ngannou deserves credit, yes. He had the moral victory. Fury got what he deserved - a big shame. His only chance is to come back with a solid victory over Usyk and if he does, then some other tops.
Ngannou just beat a heavyweight world champ in his first professional fight. Incredible achievement, inspirational story. Only tainted by the predictable robbery.
Undisputed and lineal means nothing, I agree. What matters is only the quality of your opposition. What I disagree with is that Fury lost - he sucked hard, that's for sure, but got a close victory. While Usyk lost. But even if we agree they both lost, they must fight.
Fury only won 3 rounds. Ngannou won that by a landslide. I can't award Fury points for flicking out feints, running and trying to bear hug for most of the fight. Barely landed any clean, effective punches. He seemed terrified in there. Could have easily been disqualified for an intentional elbow too. And there was a second knockdown which wasn't counted in the 6th or 7th round for Ngannou. Even Fury's team knew he lost that. In between one of the late rounds Andy Lee asks Fury "are you alright Tyson". Thoughts about throwing in the towel might have been crossing their mind because of how poorly Fury was performing and how scared he appeared to be.
I suppose Ngannou will not be fighting in MMA anymore as well. He did his best there, I can't say he was really great, because he was roided as a monster and didn't face the best in the game, which wasn't his fault however. But anyway, he was a good MMA fighter, with plenty of limitations.
What I hope is that Fury-Usyk happens, then they have their rematch and Fury gives Ngannou one, which will waste more of Fury's time, as in order to improve his resume, he must face and beat at least two top fighters before retiring and that if he wins over Usyk. If he doesn't, his chances of leaving a good resume will require him twice as many top fights for which he will probably won't have the time because he destroyed his body with his lifestyle and by his 38-39th birthday will be old for top performances. We'll see...
Fury vs Usyk is a fight between 2 fake champions now. The belts should have all rightfully changed hands this year. It's still an interesting match up but it's really just two top 10 guys fighting each other. The "Undisputed" accolade is fake and meaningless for that particular fight and it shouldn't even be a title fight now.
3 rounds won - yes, but by Ngannou. And Fury won the others in a poor manner.
Fury might well retire after that beating. Even he knows he lost that fight by a landslide. Outboxed by an MMA guy. Ngannou deserves a lot of credit for dismantling Fury and making him look B or C-level at times.
Rephrase the question. Convince us that Fury won more than 3 rounds. Half the fight he spent running for his life or using "please dont hit me" hugs on Ngannou. Fury's face was bust up, bruised, black eye, swollen. Ngannou's face unmarked like he'd just gone for a jog around the block. Easy win for Ngannou, not even debatable.
UNFORGIVEABLE BLACKNESS 2.0
this is the new great white hype era, where the black man just can't get a fair shake.
It does seem that way sometimes but then I wonder if Dubois and Ngannou were both white, but had the same profile, personalities and fight history, would they still get robbed of the wins against Usyk and Fury? Could it just be "champion" privileges, hometown bias, rather than blatant white privilege?
Stop it and sit in the corner thinking about what you just did son.
We have proven countless times on here with plenty of evidence that DDD's shot was low, as for Francis? I had it a draw personally some people think he won but it was close.
DDD shots weren't low, we all know that. At worst, you could say they were borderline which still means they weren't low. Usyk got knocked ut in 5 rounds and saved by the hometown ref in that fight. Bakole knocked him out in sparring too.
And 95% of the boxing world had Ngannou beating Fury, it's not even remotely debatable. Even British ex-boxers like Froch, Groves, Frampton and Johnny Nelson had Ngannou winning. They even rescored the fight the following day to double check that they weren't mistaken, and still gave Ngannou the W.
He didn't. There is no point in arguing about it however.
Most objective people in the boxing world agree that Ngannou won that fight decisively. We all seen robberies before but it doesn't mean we accept the beneficiary of the robbery as the actual winner. This fight had the potential for a robbery written all over it from the start because of the whole Fury-Usyk announcement. And a robbery is what we all witnessed.
Off subject but Dubios should have to actually beat a top contender to get any more shots at the title. Warren will probably manoeuvre him in somehow though.
It's not really that clear cut anymore since he already beat Usyk but got robbed by a crooked referee. If he'd lost to Usyk legitimately then I'd agree, but the reality is he beat a champion exactly according to his game plan (a body shot ko within 6 rounds) but he was robbed of the victory.
The highest paid female boxer in history is Katie Taylor and her last purse against Persoon was around $1.2 million. She might just be the start of a new generation of female boxers who are skilled and entertaining enough to generate more revenue and bigger purses than before but it's doubtful they'll ever quite match male purses. Unless a lot of new female boxing fans start watching who might have more interest in seeing female fights than male fights. It's largely a fan-driven equation I think. More fans a fighter has, more money they can generate.
If Brook was in his prime I'd have this as around a 50-50 fight but in the GGG and Spence losses he got some pretty bad eye injuries which have created weak points on his face for Bud to target and break down. On top of that, he hasnt fought 147 for nearly 3 years so he might be weight-drained, in which case his punch resistance will be reduced both to the head and to the body. So the chances are that Bud won't be in with a prime version of Brook.
But the one ray of hope I still give him is that he says he's been preparing for this fight for over 6 months to make sure he adjusts back down to 147 better. If he has, then I'm guessing he must have already made 147 a few times in the past months to test it out again, and get his body use to it. If he has done that, then he still has a shot to pull off the upset tonight (assuming he hasn't got old overnight and his eyes hold up).
Definitely possible. Hasn’t Fury already had issues with drugs? I found it slightly strange that he suddenly had this mental breakdown at around the same time as the drug stuff was starting to surface.
In Feb 2015 Fury tested positive for steroid nandrolone which is something used by body builders. But he didn't get officially charged (and a backdated ban) for that until 2017 so he still went ahead with the Klitschko fight in Nov 2015. When the Klitschko rematch was scheduled, Fury was told he tested positive for cocaine. The next day he pulled out of the fight claiming to be "medically unfit" then took about 2 years off. That's when the mental breakdown, obesity, drink, drugs and suicide stories came out during that time. When he returned to the ring, they gave him a backdated ban for the nandrolone positive test in 2015, which only covered the time that he was voluntarily out of the ring.
I just watched the fight and Spence didn't look great against a past-prime Garcia, although he still did well to win after that accident. I think Spence has fallen a notch below the level he used to be though. There's an argument that it could just be ring rust but if that's the best Spence gets now then Crawford breaks him down and stops him within 10 rounds imo.
Seen Tunde's newest podcast has some sorta "Will Yarde stay or will Yarde go" type title. This feels like some sorta bad marketing ploy than a real decision being made to me without having listened to the above video or Tunde's podcast.
I think that podcast was from last week and Tunde wasn't completely dismissive of Yarde either leaving or reshuffling things and bringing in a new head coach. Not a marketing ploy, if you watch the interview you can see Yarde is genuinely affected at the thought of having to possibly part ways with Tunde in order to progress in his career. He describes Tunde as more of an Uncle/family. It's a very good interview, worth watching. Yarde lost 4 family members within the space of 6 months this year, including his dad and grandmother within a month of each other.
It is not his fight. It is Povetkin's fight. Whyte KOed Chisora and Povetkin KOed Whyte. Why should loud mouth loser Chisora be taking the place of the man who won the fight???? Chisora should rest up and then go beat a mediocre guy or lose to a top guy as he always does. He is just a credible opponent and not a contender. He lost a close fight to Usyk who is not that good. He was not robbed and he lost by a couple of points no matter how much he insists he deserved to win.
Knockouts happen, it's a part of the sport.
Rahman and McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis
Marquez, Sangsurat, Torrecampo knocked out Manny Pacquiao
Brewster and Sanders knocked out Wladimir Klitschko
So Whyte knocked out Chisora isn't such a big deal, there's no guarantee the same happens in the 3rd fight because the first two were extremely close round by round. Same goes for Povetkin vs Whyte situation obviously. And I'd have Povetkin vs Chisora as a 50/50... Thats a fight I'd like to see too.
Wilder was looking groggy, out on his feet and on the verge of being knocked out. I think Breland did the right thing at that point, Wilder had only an extremely slim chance of catching Fury with anything significant at that point and in the meantime he would have continued to take more and more damage himself.
I think Breland was probably aware that something was wrong with Wilder before the fight even began, and that played into his decision to stop it too. Wilder must have said he aint feeling right and it was obvious from his behavior and demeanor that he was having an off-night before the fight even started.
Crawford beats Spence easily at this point. I don't think Spence will be the same fighter after that car crash. Needed surgery on his mouth, one of the primary target areas in a boxing match. Spence is done imo. Wouldn't be surprised if he quits in the Garcia fight, Round 10 or 11.
Mike has nearly 6 Million followers on Twitter alone. Using a basic projection off social media, if only 5% of Mike's followers buy the fight, that's 300k buys. So I guess between 300-450k buys.
Vitali was a great fighter with about ten times the fighting ability of DDD. He was a great champion who rarely lost. DDD is not that good and is very slow and not accurate with his punches. Quit or no quit he does not have what it takes to ever be very successful or a world champion in my opinion.
Vitali didn't fight anyone of Joe Joyce's caliber in his 16th fight at 23 years old. Let's say he fought Joyce in his 16th fight, I'd give a prime Joyce a good shot to beat an inexperienced Vitali who was fighting pretty poor opposition at that stage of his career.
Can't think of many other heavyweights who could absorb the shots Joyce did.. maybe Oliver McCall and Valuev. Joyce has one of the best chins in boxing so Dubois losing to him isn't a major setback, Joyce is likely a world top ten heavyweight. Dubois power doesn't seem to carry late into the fight though. Got flashbacks of Lacy vs Calzaghe at times with all those jabs.
Cell rejuvenation that’s not the head/brain has traditional recovery. If Kovalev had any torso bones broken (like a rib) the fight would’ve been postponed. Brain damage is a different thing since neural connectors and brain cells can suffer irreversible damage. That’s why shots to the head is a different category. From what I recall Kovalev took mean shots to the body whereas Yarde took a beating to the head.
But if you want the realities perspective. GBP and Main Events would agree on particular steroids for Kovalev’s fast recovery which would be monitored and reported. Team Canelo would acknowledge it too as long as there’s consulting and supervision for the exemption. It’s all money and the dark side of boxing ;)
Interesting post. Brain damage, probably not. But body damage, definitely. I don't think there were any such exemptions permitted though. Kovalev made it clear after the fight that he was backed into a corner to fight Canelo, now or never. He admitted that he wasn't physically ready. I'm sure he tried to postpone the fight, behind the scenes, in order to recover from Yarde but that must have been met with a resounding no. So he had no choice but to go through with it, regardless of his deteriorated physical condition.
It could be seen a strategic move by Canelo in order to specifically face a much lesser version of Kovalev. I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't have stopped a fully prepared Kovalev although he may have still beaten him on points. But Canelo was prodding at fresh wounds on an injured man, if Yarde had been in that same position, he also stops Kovalev imo.
Hes just basic but he had to dig deep... his words...
I don’t blame him for leaving the ring, scores were way off. Julie lederman is like Adelaide Byrd
I don't think the scores were way off.. The 119-109 was the widest, giving Loma only one round. But any other round where Loma had success, so did Teo. They were swing rounds, maybe 3 of them in the fight.
So you could be generous to Loma and score those rounds for him, or be generous to Lopez and score those rounds for him. Or score them a draw. It just turned out tonight the judges gave the swing rounds to Lopez instead of Loma. If you seen the Campbell vs Loma fight, in that one all the judges gave the swing rounds (and there were a lot of them) to Loma, so the scorecards appear very wide in Loma's favor but that was a close fight. Much closer than the Lopez fight.