Hard to say against Golovkin. They are about the same size and I think they are both true mws. Ill got UD/SD against Golovkin because its hard to pick against an ATG in his weight division. Kovalev and Ward beat him by UD I think. There is a reason Hagler never left the MW division, he was a MW..not a LHW.
Calzaghe does a SRL on him, again..Hagler was a MW but its possible he gets Joe out of here.
That would be funny to watch..... but Hagler was robbed against Leonard IMO. How does a champion land that many clean body punches and lose the fight?
LOL I didn't realize i had been sig'd...........wow
LOL not everything is about you dude........ Plenty of people have said Hagler landed too many body punches for Leonard to get a decision.
SO far bud has shown to be better at adjusting and taking away a fighters main advantages ala money may............so i don't think spence has a stylistic advantage over him no one does.....because he's so verstale.......but him and spence are my to favorite fighters right now......as for how close in skill they are only time will tell......
Spence would destroy Crawford man, Spence would have broken down and stopped Postol in about 6 rounds.
Crawford can't keep the bigger Spence off of him and his skinny body won't hold up to Spence's body assault.
They are two divisions apart. Loma fights at 130 and Crawford at 140. That's two divisions, and Crawford is moving to 147 because he is a big one at 140 coming to the ring at 157. So they would be 3 divisions apart. Don't see it happening.
Ah my mistake got the weights mixed up lol.
If canelo couldn't KO cotto then no way thurman KOs cotto.
If anyone gets KOed here its thurman from a liver shot.
But thurman could use his speed to outbox cotto to decision win.
See below. I can repeat as many times as you need;
See below. I can repeat as many times as you need.
Ok, so after running out of ideas regarding the actual Boxing debate, you're now in "I'm raging mad at this guy because I can't refute his boxing points so I'm gonna pretend like I'm pissing him off" mode.
Trading insults is the only thing you can do here since you have nothing left to say regarding the actual topic.
Learn to handle a different opinion kid, it'll get you far in life I promise
Ok, I've pissed you off so much you're playing the red K comments game. Cute.
Even cuter that you're also playing it while pretending to be above it.
Ok, after continually escalating, you're now in "I'm raging mad at this guy so I'm going to pretend I'm really bothering him" mode. I don't get any joy in trading insults so you're on your own now. That's how emotional and upset I am. lol
Ok, so after running out of ideas regarding the actual Boxing debate, you're now in "I'm raging mad at this guy because I can't refute his boxing points so I'm gonna pretend like I'm pissing him off" mode.
I've been talking boxing the whole time, you've been going off-topic and gossiping like a housewife. Trading insults is the only thing you can do here since you have nothing left to say regarding the actual topic.
Learn to handle a different opinion kid, it'll get you far in life I promise. :kiss:
I don't think Froch gave Ward a great fight, he won 4 rounds at best.
However, if Kovalev landed the same punches Froch landed, Ward isn't going to go 12 rounds.
He has to be at least as good as he was in 2011, and probably better defensively.
A lot of rounds in Ward vs Froch was close, don't get me wrong Ward obviously won 8-4, but I felt it was competitive to the end especially in the last few rounds where Froch came on strong. Froch def had a dumb game plan in that fight.
I agree Kovalev has the power to KO Ward especially since Ward is coming off a long lay-off and in a new weight.
IMO Kovalev's people were smart to ask for the fight this year, it gives Ward less time to shake of the rust. Both fighters will have to be perfect if they want to win this fight.
G-strings avoided Lara, that's just a damn fact. whether or not he would have won is irrelevant, it's clear g-string's team knew that Lara would make him look bad and vulnerable with his slick cuban style.
Ok, I've pissed you off so much you're playing the red K comments game. Cute. You're still making stuff up and getting frustrated, evidenced by the fact that you feel the need to pull the "I know the sport, you don't".
I love watching Kovalev fight and he's one of the guys I study when looking for ways to expand and refine my technique. Despite the fact that I hold him in high regard, I don't feel the need to lie about his resume. It's not great. The best wins were a shot Pascal and 50 year old Hopkins. Chilemba is is his best win now, IMO. His resume does not represent his ability as a fighter.
You seem to think I'm hating on Kovalev just because I'm not exalting him.
Well you seem real pissed off by my red K, chill dude it's just a little negative karma in a boxing forum not the end of the world lol.
I simply claimed Kovalev hits harder than Froch, and you had a meltdown, which I find hilarious. Then I pointed out Kovalev has knocked guys out with single jabs when you claimed he didn't have 1-punch power. How am I making stuff up?
I never said "i know the sport, you don't", but it's clear that's the case now.
I don't need to lie about his resume, nor am I saying that he beats Ward. All I'm saying is that Kovalev hits harder than Froch, and has a chance to hurt Ward in a competitive fight. Somehow that has activated your b1tch mode.
I piss a lot of people off because I don't fighter-worship.
Nah it's because your b1tch mode gets activated and you go on irrelevant rants like a little kid whenever someone has a different opinion that you can't refute. You obviously never learned social skills growing up. It's funny in someways actually.
So either refute my point that Kovalev hits harder than Froch, or go have your period somewhere else buddy. This is childish.
You're empty on facts and stats and just going with what you feel sounds right. Pascal hasn't had a relevant win in years. His only real win in a while was Bute, who himself has done nothing.
You can't just call someone a 1 punch artist when they don't finish guys that way. Now you're just pretending.
You sound really bothered by what happened today and are trying to talk yourself into the idea that Kovalev will 1 punch Ward. Bad news, Ward is one of the hardest to hit in the game and he's several levels above Chilemba. Time to come to terms with it.
You obviously haven't followed Pascal's career. You think Kovalev doesn't finish guys with 1-punch, yet Froch does? You do realize Kovalev has knocked people out with single jabs to the body? Come back and run your mouth when you've actually watched a Kovalev fight.
Me bothered? I simply said I think Kovalev hits harder than Froch, which most people with a brain have agreed with. Of course it's possible he'll 1-punch Ward, this is boxing. But you seem real bothered by the mere suggestion that Kovalev vs Ward will be competitive.
You constantly act like you're on your period for some reason, so I'ma let you at it.
You're using the Pascal from 8 years ago as a comparison for the shell of a fighter Kov fought? Come on...
I think they assert power in different ways. Froch had real 1-punch KOs whereas Kovalev's power is more cumulative and he will quickly wear down a guy with just a few shots.
I've never seen Kov at 168 or Froch at 175 so it's hard to say which is stronger-P4P. It's easy to forget about Froch when he's been out of the spotlight for a while but watch a highlight reel before being so quick to dismiss his strength. Frock was also fighting against a lot of talented guys in a stacked division. Kovelev's biggest challenge has been Chilemba. So, a little perspective is in order.
Lol come on…. when did Pascal become a shell of a fighter? Because Kovalev stopped him? Not saying Pascal was prime of course, but calling him a shell of a fighter is going too far. Pascal was still a top fighter and had won every fight other than 2 close fights with Hopkins. The 1st beating from Kovalev did take a lot out of him though.
To me Kovalev is definitely more of a 1-punch artist while Froch tends to wear you down more with body shots. Kovalev has had more vicious 1-punch knockouts than Froch, but if you disagree that's fine.
Generally if we use a little common sense, higher weight = more punching power. Not always true but I think it's true in this case with Kovalev and Froch. I'm a fan of Froch, love his style and rooted for him in big fights but I just don't think he has the freakish power Kovalev has which seem to just come out of the blue
We know Kovalev has never fought someone the level of Ward. But is it possible that Ward has fought someone the level of Kovalev? Or at least close to it?
That's my point, the strongest puncher Ward has fought has been Froch at 168, who IMO doesn't hit as hard as Kovalev does at 175. I think the difference in power is considerable. Froch is a strong puncher but Kovalev's power in that right hand is freakish and explosive.
Special-K just needs to keep turning G-String, hit him with a right hook and go right, hit him with a left hook and turn left, etc.
G-string fights like a stiff robot, Special one would outbox and out jab him from distance but he needs to hold G-string on the inside since G-string does have some big power.
Ward wasn't a big puncher at 168, at 175 he is not stopping Kovalev who has never been stopped.
Now Ward out boxing Kovalev is a possibility, but Kovalev could explode any second with that overhand right which carries fight-ending power. Ward needs too worry about being stopped himself.
Chillemba has a very different style compared to Hopkins and Ward, I hope Ward isn't going to take Kovalev lightly after today's fight because that would be a huge mistake.
Both fighters need to be on their A game to win this fight.
I never gave a damn about the color of a fighter's skin color until people like Dontae Williams and Larryxxx wouldn't stop making race an issue...... they claim they are "fighting racism", but in reality:
1). They are often far more biased then the people who they claim are racist
2). They're the ones who keep bringing race into boxing discussions
3). Now they claim anyone who doesn't support black fighters are racist and DKSAB and are "DCAF"s.... WTF?
Honestly I'm sick of it. I'm half white half japanese and my favorite fighter of all time is Tyson, and second favorite is Ali. I was not a fan of Floyd Mayweather's approach to the sport because I feel boxing should be about entertainment, not "health comes first" and "money", and I also feel his career is overrated.
But that makes me a RACIST???? Wow....... Listen up douchebags, if a fighter has no shame about acting like an ass outside the ring and doesn't put on exciting fights in the ring, people are not going to like him, period. Now if you have a guy like Anthony Joshua who KOs guys and yet remains respectful, people (including me) are going to love him, period. It has nothing to do with race. It's called human nature.
People who keep bringing race and nationality into boxing are either racists themselves or extremely insecure and think that when a fighter of their race wins it somehow makes them superior. It's pathetic, it's childish, and it shows that you have a lot of self-pity. Stop crying racism every time someone doesn't like a fighter you like. The same goes for the other side, but it's usually people like Dontae who start the divide.
People like Dontaesboxingnation and Larry obviously have deep issues with racism and self-image in real life. Hey, we all have issues but don't bring that into boxing and then call yourself a true boxing fan. If you're a true boxing fan, then enjoy the sport and leave all that other sh1t out the door.
Most people don't even fvcking notice a fighter's race until you guys keep making it an issue.
Btw, I think Ward beats Kovalev.
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i can't believe someone said that this dude was the king of the welterweight
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I'd actually take Brook over Thurman any day, but I'm starting to think he just took the Golovkin fight for the money now. 176 means he's not even taking the whole thing seriously. He's gonna get knocked out.
GGG I would say peaked in early-2014 or so. He's past it now, but it doesn't help that he started late.
It's still 27-28, but depends on the fighter. What I'd like to know is how a fight between Floyd circa 2006 vs Floyd circa 2013 would play out
But Floyd is a defensive technician who relies on experience and technique. Technicians have more longevity and peak later than aggressive physical guys like Golovkin and Pacquiao.
There was a poster on here a few years back thst was obsessed with this ****. I think he stopped posting after his predictions based on astrological signs turned out poorly. Dude was on some, "fighter A is a Taurus born with the BLOOD MOON, a combination that equals greatness, Fighter B is emotional because he's a Capricorn with Sagi Moon, a feminine sign so the most powerful water sign just completely overwhelms a more technical, better but weaker sign."
Not what this thread is about, how bout you L2read first?
who gives a sh1t you weirdo.the ggg obsession/hate is crazy he's living in your head rent free.
Are u on ur period? It's just a question calm ur t1ts dude damn