i see it like this
from the starting bell Froch cuts the ring of & smiles while walking through Joe's weak slaps and smashes calzaghe with some hard venomous cobra combination strikes
Froch has the key to beating joe calzagje and meeting him
in the ring would be a dream come true for carl
thats why joe vacated so he didnt have to fight him
if they fought this christmas i
see joe getting Bute'd in 3 rds or less
but a fresh prime calzaghe might not get knocked out
untill rounds 5-12 vs todays froch
jack reiss vs howard foster UK or USA
Should have voted yes but accidentally hit no
anyways the Jack Reiss or whatever his name is
the american ref didnt even warn andre about it... but a headbutt as blatant and damaging as the ones we have seen in that fight could argue for a dq or no contest w rematch even with no prior point deduktion
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FrochWard2 needs to happen in UK and most important froch choose the ref, so ward wont be allowed to bend the rules and prevent any real action from taking place due to him wrestling and grabbing/holding the cobra guns while grabbing 10 times per round
Ducking below the waist and using illegal tactics like leaping headbutts and jabs followed with a duck and rising headbutt into opponents faces
Ward is acting like a spoiled prima donna at the negotiating table, impossible to come to terms with even if everything is logical so even a chicken or monkey would understand why cobra calls the shots, he calls himself SoG..pfff
froch is more SoG than ward ever was
Froch isnt in a hurry..even if they strip him of the title we all know ward will come to uk eventually unless he is too much of an akward coward not to mention retarded SMH and then froch may beat his ass and take the super 168 title and the belt they stripped to try and force him will mean nothing by then
If it happens on froch terms it will be a win win for everyone
And this time no excuses
If i was Jay Z I would force andre ward to travel
and if he refuses then fire his pompous arrogant ass
Im sure jay z can make so great an offer to carl (and eddie?) that they cant refuse it , and make Froch the number 1 to help Rock the nation to great fortune and make some noise
Up untill recently where WBA ordered froch ward 2
Kesslers promoter Kalle Sauerland has been flying back and forth between denmark and USA to meet w wards current promoter about a rematch
(ward Kessler 2 copenhagen) the ward camp has been playing it down saying they are in talks with numerous potential opponents..i guess the likes of Tomas Oosthuizen or whatever his name is
This site wont allow me to post the links
but do a google search, im sure u will find the truth if u seek it
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself
U should stop defending SOB makes you come across as a bellend ..andre brought this negativity on himself
Little baby ward
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I'm not claiming anything. I'm using reasoning and logic. You have been blubbering for months that Ward wants too much money for tune-ups. Oosthuizen has probably been sounded out as a potential opponent for a while.
I assume you have a source to back up this Kessler fight offer?
Do a google search
ward turned it down. then he offered ggg a 50-50 split after ggg fights canelo? yea ok thats ridiculous and you know it. if that's wanting it you aren't very good at reading signals...
barrera is not a big name. you prob think paul smith and edwin rodriguez are big names lol. the only big names ward has were in the super six which was a tournament rigged in his favor. sorry if ggg fought a couple good fighters in kazakhstan and clinched nonstop while they traveled the world fighting each other i wouldn't be that impressed. would you? i guess so since you think ward proved his greatness by doign that.
well said :wave:
You're too dense to appreciate the intricacies of their defense. Boxing is poetry in motion. Go watch the UFC, you ape.
btw you must be the ape as defence is spelled with a C :bryce::Flush:
Ward the californian Sven Ottke
Conte can tell you all about the "science" behind Ward's success. :headbang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUhrt7GfEc&feature=youtu.be
ward signs to fight barrera 6 weeks before the fight
refused vada testing against kessler and froch
refused rematches outside USA
get the picture? listen to conte in the video explaining PED's
Conte who was also in a close partnership with ward in the past.
trust me your american hope is a cheat , you can deny the truth all you want
but at least use your eyes and see all the rules he breaks inside the ring
excessive holding, wrestling, ducking below waistline , headbutting , elbowing , punching below belt and all that nonsense
read the queensberry rules of boxing here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules
:bryce::boxing::crucified
Andre Ward is actually a fun fighter to watch. I enjoy watching him. I think he does not get enough credit for his clean boxing, he's much more watchable than Hopkins ever was.
are you having a laugh? :bryce::Flush:
Fighting outside of one's hometown is a criteria now to be P4P? Do you even know what P4P means? :pat:
then i supposed sven ottke was a p4p according to your list
(undefeated stay at home fighter)
going to the rival champions backyard and taking their title is a truly great accomplishment which ward has never done, he relies on his homecookings, where he can bend the rules. not a road warrior whatsoever.
he made zero effort to go outside USA and fight a true challenge , where it would make sense money-wise and legacy
:boxing:
Being p4p top 5 isnt enough "leverage"
So GGG has enough "leverage" to pull Ward to 164 lol, his biggest win was Rubios left over
to get on top p4p he needs to clean up his act, no cheating no ped's and fight outside his hometown (where he cant sell anyways)
:Flush:
Let him retire after he fight KOvalev, since team GGG were scared of a few lbs
ward didnt want the fight at 164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzaOZfgf0M
golovkin would move up to fight cash froch at 168 , well he actually requested a cw for him too , but i can understand why u would let cash froch call the as he can sell tickets , ward has no leverage
You're too dense to appreciate the intricacies of their defense. Boxing is poetry in motion. Go watch the UFC, you ape.
he is right you know , why dont u go watch ballet
???????
Who the f*ck did Ottke even beat to be considered P4P in the first place? Wth are you on about?
i never said he was p4p, i was trying to make a point.
homers need to travel more, too much BS.
it would be interesting to see and i dont see what would generate more $£$$££ than
£ Cash Froch £
VS
$ Money Mayweather $
To be honest, but i agree the size difference is big
if you consider all the pounds Cash Froch bring to the table
it just might persuade floyd to accept that froch weighs a few pounds
more than him on fight night
ward
I see a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.
Many people like to be anti-Ward because he's named himself SOG and it's fashionable to lampoon xtians. Then he doesn't help himself any by appearing to be a bit of a goody two shoes. I get it. Don't necessarily agree with the sentiment, but I get it.
No matter.
As smarmy as anybody finds him, he handles Froch roughly at any weight, time, location,etc...the same for anybody south of cruiser.
He's just that good. Like it or not.
Lol andre ward is a true primadonna and crybaby B***h. A) SoC never took on a challenge outside his homecountry, outside his comfort zone without handpicked ref/officials AKA not a road warrior, all champions fought other champions outside their country in the past.- Makes his own rules ,B) ducking below the waistline excessively C) sucker punching when the ref steps in D) elbows to opponents face worse than mayweather E) ducking below the waistline to avoid getting hit and frustrating opponents F) headbutts like a battering ram (like the notorious leaping headbutts in the kessler/abraham fight) when we saw andre get his own medicine against bika it was hilarious seeing him cry after the fight complaining about the headbutts, double standards hypocrite. Froch is/was the real 168 champion,road warrior he took on all corners , and like i said he always comes back stronger in the rematch. Fx in the first kessler fight (in mikkel kessler backyard) I had froch winning and this is coming from a dane no bias (viking from denmark) it was a draw at best and froch wasnt even giving it all. In the rematch however we saw how froch took kessler apart with relative ease, keeping him at bay with the long jab troughout most of the fight and also hurting mikkel with venomous powershots. Same with groves Carl weathered the storm in the first fight and tko'd groves in the 9th. In the rematch froch annihilated groves without problems knocked him out colder than ice. Paddy ran for the antivenom when he saw how the cobra venomously knocked his fighter back into last century. Im sure froch would solve the ward puzzle if he got a rematch w a proper rereree that enforce the rules of boxing.Andre can drag dawson down no problem but face golovkin at a catchweight? Hell no . bring fighters to his comfort zone to get sh**ted on w the scorecards and frustrating them w dirty illegal tactics sure no problem but going to nottingham and rematch froch? Out of the question. He is a smalltime primadonna/diva fighting in small half empty arenas giving away free tickets to random people passing by on the street ,meanwhile froch sells out stadiums w 80.000+ spectators at the edge of their seats. Andre says he will do this and that but always prices himself out when it comes down to a challenge or simply doesnt pick up the phone when he is called out. I doubt we will even see him fight kovalev unless stevenson breaks several of his ribs fighting him first and ward sending his spies into kovalevs camp finding out exactly where the krusher is hurting so he can capitalise on that, not to mention ward will likely be juiced to the max on PED's . probably gonna pull out w a bogus injury unless they can slip some kind of poison into kovalevs system before the fight, causing the krusher to be a shell of his former self. He wont even do olympic style drug testing (VADA). Kinda like floyd with his paid off secret commission doing it for him Btw if andre is reading this i will gladly take you on anytime anywhere. (Just allow me a 3-6 month training camp) Im undefeated so probably its better then dragging paul smith up to 172 who already lost twice to shellcrab abraham '.;.;.` u ****ing poser Lets see if Virgin Cu**er and S.o.Cu*t has a response. Im sure his diet contains mainly squids and goatmeat since he did perfect his octopus billygoat style of fighting.
forgot to mention ward had postponed the original super6 final fight date due to some bogus cut on his forehead (that he received in sparring while wearing full headgear??) and then he jump in the fight a few months later (with one broken hand?BS) when froch homefanbase no longer was in the country and his motivation wasnt anywhere near what we saw in the bute fight , i cant make up excuses but i can point to facts like fx the referee didnt enforce the rules of boxing and let ward grab like an octopus , punch on the breaks, elbowing, ducking below the waistline and all that other nonsense , if the fight was in UK then froch would have spanked wards cheating ass princess andrea would surely get point deductions for all of his excessive fouling.
btw pac got robbed vs mayweather