The word "elite", like a P4P list, is highly subjective and therefore debatable. I consider as elite the fighters who have separated themselves from the pack with their achievements and/or who are, or at least appear to be, head and shoulders above the others. Having too many close fights (wins or losses) disqualify you from being elite in my opinion.
My criterias to define elite fighters would be a mix between 1)Achievements 2)Skills 3)Domination (you have to dominate good fighters clearly and only close fights against fellow elite fighters are acceptable).
I thought it would be interesting to see lists of boxers that boxing fans here regard as elite.
160...HW:
Wlad
Ward
Golovkin
140...154:
Floyd
Pacquiao
Bradley
Marquez
122...135:
Rigondeaux
Mikey
Gamboa
Donaire
The bolded part is why I think Tim Bradley shouldn't be on the P4P list.
I voted Floyd is shot. Except this isn't true.
He still has plenty in the tank to cherrypick ,glovegate,cry to refs,pay off judges, and come up with more WWE tactics to get to 50-0.
Will Floyd ever fight anyone that can beat him? NO.
Are there any fighters who could win on a level playing field against Floyd? YES, plenty of them.
Great post Cuauhtémoc1520.
That left hook in the first round that sent Sergio to the ropes was what made him look like a cripple. I didn't see it as Sergio being a cripple though , he was just out of his league.
Cotto brought his A game and was even making adjustments in the later rounds with the counter straight-rights.
Rarely do we as boxing fans get treated to such beautiful performances.
Bradley has dominated many good boxers: Alexander, Peterson, Abregu. These fights were not even close. He is a multi-dimensional fighter and he holds a win over Marquez.
His only close win is Provodnikov.
Pacquiao doesn't count?
GGG vs Ward so that GGG can finally get some respect around here.
2nd choice would have been Stevenson vs Kovalev but I see Kovalev destroying Superman.
GGG has everything but a tested chin in his favor. I think if Cotto let's it go, he could catch GGG with something to test his chin. Otherwise, his activity level, pressure, and power could be an issue for Cotto. On the other hand, did anyone pick up on Cotto's movement in the Martinez fight? It was a lot more than usual, he was more bouncy and alive than we've ever seen him before. His new footwork could be the key to future victories against larger opponents...
Yeah I saw the footwork, It looks like he may have been sparring with Pac a little bit.
But...
Around the 6th Freddy was telling Cotto to have fun with the fight. It was already won .
Can he keep that kind of footwork up when he's taking shots to the chin or body?
I am a Cotto fan. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. But Saturday night he fought a DISABLED opponent. We were all lied to on Sergio's true status. He was shot. Let's keep this in perspective people.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/6/9/5794056/opinion-sergio-martinezs-inability-to-move-meant-more-than-cottos
If I bought it on PPV I would ask for a refund.
The fans were definately robbed by a guy looking to cash out on his final fight.
There were contract rules that changed after the "No Mas" Duran fight ,there should be some new ones for fighters that can't fight without wearing knee braces.
I scored it live 114-112 for Provodnikov. Very close fight, I don't see much ground for complaint either way. There should be a rematch.
Nobody rematches Ruslan, nobody.
Does anyone have Teddy Atlas' scorecard?
Most fights on ESPN I wind up scoring the same as him and he's usually 80-90% correct.
I had it 116-110 Provo.
There is no way in hell ANY of the people claiming Algieri won can list me 8 clear rounds that he got. There is no way he won that fight, specially after getting dropped twice. I gave him 4 rounds, 5 bring as generous as one could be.
Roberry last night for the hometown amateur.
I only had Algerie winning 4 rounds as well. Pretty much the same scorecard as the judge that gave it to Ruslan. It's a shame that they gifted Algerie the win with his mediocre grazing shots.
It's a shame the Ruslan didn't stay on the body work, it was what got him the KD in the first , he really is one of the dumbest boxers around, I love him though.
Ruslan sends another guy to the hospital and earns himself another loss.
What orafice of Algerie's body isn't leaking blood today?
Eye- yes
Nose- yes
Mouth-yes
Peeing blood - yes
Rectum - yes
At least he isn't bleeding out of the ears.
SMH , Algeri won doe.
Max Kellerman is an ATG Analyst/commentator
I'm kidding , don't stone me to death .
I voted Pauly , he has more enthusiasm in his speech. He could talk about using dogshyt as sunblock and I would go try it out.
Perhaps Bradley should give him a rematch and show him how superior he really is.
Not a chance in the world that Bradley gets back in the ring with Ruslan, I would love to see it though.
I had Ruslan winning on my card but I've always thought of him as a glorified sparring partner. Props to Algerie though for surviving and pulling a Floyd on the scorecards.
Hey guys,
Hoping someone can make me feel a bit better about my purchase after another bad experience trying to get tickets for a fight. Long story short - I'm coming from Australia to watch Golovkin v Geale at MSG. Had access to presale the moment it started but best tickets sucked (Section 12 - $500) so I decided to wait out the public sale. Accessed that the second it started and seats were worst, best seats were Section 01, Row 6, Seats 1-4 ($300). Apart from the fact that is pi$$ed that again fans couldn't get access to any of the decent floor seats, I'm now stuck with a potentially bad seat after travelling across the world for this fight.
Can anyone tell me what the view from Section 01 is like? Is it better than Section 12, even though it's cheaper ($300 vs $500). Can I still walk around the rest of the flor level from Section 01? Any help would be much appreciated guys.
If you are floor section 1 , those look to be really good seats. You may even be sitting near some celebrities. Though sections 4,5,6 and 10,11,12 look like the best seats in the house.
How is beating GGG a better win than beating Cotto?
Cotto is a much better fighter than Golovkin.
Cotto has accomplished more in the sport than GGG ever will.
Cottos resumes isnt even on the same planet as GGG's.
Cotto is the Lineal MW Champion of the World.
What has GGG ever done to be considered a good win? Speak broken english and knock out nobodies? And this is from a guy who enjoys watching him fight and anticipates his next scrap. But lets be serious here for a minute.
Now on the flip side for Cotto:
How is beating GGG a better win than beating Mayweather?
Mayweather is a much better fighter than Golovkin.
Mayweather has accomplished more in the sport than GGG ever will.
Mayweather's resumes isnt even on the same planet as GGG's.
Mayweather is the King of the JMW Division and the WW Division.
Cmon NSB get your shyt together.
Everyone is ducking GGG and nobody is ducking Cotto.
That is why GGG is the man.
It was Cotto's best win but it was against a "Should-have-already-retired-cripple"
Cotto did look phenomenal but I look phenomenal fighting my grandmother.
I agree on that, I don't think its worth it to replay hip shots and accidental fouls, it is a fight and things will happen. But a lot of people say Provodnikov could of at least had a Draw with Bradley after Provodnikov had him stumbling around and ref said it was a slip.
To be honest, there's a lot of refs out there that would have called that fight in the first round when Bradley fell over after trying to get back up. Those same refs would have stopped it late in the fight when Bradley was punching the lights shining down on him and staring at the big screen.