ClubberLang82

Bakole is at the same point as Joe Joyce was a couple of fights ago. Looks tough and hits hard but, he also gets hit alot. Dont get me wrong I like Bakole but at the top level with opps the same size he may fall short.. Get him in there with Big B.a.ng though, what a fight that would be. Always thought Joyce was just a big heavy bag that wore out some guys out over time. Bakole's stationary af, but showed real skill here on top of having much faster and more accurate hands than Joyce. I don't know if it would work against someone like Zhang, but this guy is way, way better than Joyce

https://twitter.com/BronzeBomber/status/1322616635866243072 "You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you." ~ Deontay wilder to Tyson Fury Wilder has no title, no unbeaten record and nowhere else to go for a payday now. Time for him to stop running and his deluded fans to stop lying for him. "Offers" happen and fall through all the time. Doesn't mean anything. AJ's still the biggest draw in the division, the biggest money fight. Yet the next two (Fury and Wilder) have never been able to get in the ring with him. There's a reason for that. I bet they fought Usyk only because they thought he'd be too small.

You're embarrassing yourself. Just as you did with the post saying Joshua fought Usyk because they thought he was too small. No, he was a mandatory. Like a real life mandatory when orgs follow their rules and the champion takes on the mandatory challenger. Joshua didn't duck. He offered. Over and over. He actually signed up to fight Fury - a real signature on a real contract. Wilder confirmed that he fought Fury instead of Joshua. How much evidence do you need before you understand? The debate over Joshua's ability or his place in the rankings for the era is absolutely up for debate, but whether he was trying to make the big fights and achieve Undisputed is a definitively completed debate. He was. It's really, really clear to anyone with even a moderate IQ. As for why Fury avoided meaningful fights... who knows? But he very definitively does. He's fighting a non-boxer rather than any kind of legitimate challenger. This is boxing, not the UFC. 'Mandatories' are only obstacles if you want them to be. Money talks, and these boxing organizations grant exemptions all the time. If worse comes to worst, stars forfeit titles to make big fights happen. Wilder would always laugh about AJ's camp claiming mandatories when trying to book fights with him... Ortiz was a mandatory for AJ a couple times or so, and of course they managed to avoid it. AJ still had the option to fight Fury if they could just come to an agreement. Of course they failed, and only then would go on to take the mandatory Usyk. Guarantee you they thought Usyk was too small for him, just like most experts did. So they had no issue taking the fight. I'll concede that Fury's a total wild card when it comes to doing anything, but still, Hearn can never book the big fight when it comes to AJ. It's no coincidence.

Wilder chose to fight Fury for less money than he could have got for fighting AJ. There was a reason for that. Fury fought Wilder 3 times but blatantly ducked Usyk. There was a reason for that too. You're implying these guys are ducking AJ? Why exactly would they do that? He's the money fight, and he's looked and BEEN as beatable as ever for a number of years. It makes zero sense for anyone to duck that fight. Much, much more likely that AJ's just been protected all these years.​

I'll believe it when I see it. Talks will fall through like they always do. I'll be shocked if Hearn allows AJ in the ring with Wilder.

So let's see it... There's pros and cons for each side in this matchup, and they're mostly obvious. Canelo's IQ and counterpunching vs David's size and volume. Canelo doesn't like the matchup because things will get scary for him if the fight goes long where he starts to fatigue, and Benavidez is still marching forward with his combinations. It could look exactly like Cotto/Margarito 1.

Hard not to go with Floyd on points. Most theoretical matchups start off at the disadvantage of having to stop Floyd since no one can outbox the guy over 12 rounds.

I bet on Zhang the first fight because I feel the same way about Joyce. He's a punching bag that's outlasted mediocre heavyweights by having the chin of a zombie. Chin is officially cracked now and he'll probably never win another decent fight.

We have seen glimpse’s of Crawford’s possible chin issues. But he hasn’t really fought anyone who had a good chance. Postol was the guy everyone wanted him to fight back then and he did. But that was 5-6 years ago, he can’t live off of that win. At the same time, while he isn’t fighting anyone of note, the media and publications give him major kudos for his unimportant wins. So he doesn’t think he has to step it up. He thinks he’s killing it because that’s what people are telling him. For example he beat Brook and Khan, neither guy being ranked in the top 10 at WW for The Ring or TBRB. But the media acted like he beat prime Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. When? Every time i've seen someone touch him, he visibly steps it up and becomes more game.

I think its funny cause best believe if the shoe was on the other foot wilder wouldnt be giving him no trilogy He'd do it if he was contractually obligated to like Fury was. Wilder gave Ortiz a rematch when Ortiz nearly beat him the first time.

Hard to objectively place him above Floyd when they fought and Floyd won fairly easily. Sure Manny was no longer in his prime, but neither was Floyd, who is even older than him. Everything Manny (and especially Canelo) achieves post Floyd only makes Floyd's dominance all the more impressive to me.

If you watch the interview, John Fury sounds more worried about having to face Wilder again more than anything. He knows Wilder is dangerous, and he's worried about Tyson's lifestyle and yes men. More than once he acknowledges that Tyson could lose this fight, which is unusual for him to admit. He also doesn't seem very confident in AJ beating Usyk. He's basically saying out loud what most Fury and AJ fans alike are afraid to admit, that their fight could easily be blown considering the challenges in front of them.

If Canelo moved to heavyweight and lost to Deontay Wilder, would it be hard to objectively place Alvarez over Wilder because they fought and Wilder won? I see where you're going with this, but the situations don't compare for obvious reasons. Canelo was in a fair fight against a guy he outweighed by 15 pounds in the ring, and Floyd took him fair and square. Just saying, it speaks volumes for Floyd when guys like Manny and Canelo go on to do incredible things and climb the GOAT rankings, and you go back and see that L against Mayweather where they just couldn't even touch the guy. Yet somehow Floyd is supposed to be beneath them in such consideration when he's never even lost a fight.

The situations do compare. Welterweight is 40 pounds above Pacquiao’s first weight class. Bro, Manny turned pro when he was 16 years old lol. Not that it matters anyway... He was at his absolute peak and most terrifying when he reached welterweight. His career is extremely impressive, but Floyd proved to be the better of the two. Not only beating Manny himself, but completely outclassing his greatest rival in Marquez. Considering all this, even though his overall body of work is arguably more impressive, I just can't justify placing him above Floyd all time I guess Floyd doesn't get enough credit because he's really made it all look too easy.

Current AJ is tailor made to be on Tyson's highlight reel of knockouts. Big, slow, gets hit a lot, and is in his own head after some close calls and being stopped by Ruiz. People are scared he might lose to some Cruiserweight.

AJ's slower, tires faster than 220's Wilder. Suspect chin, easy to hit even when he has a massive height and reach advantage. Folds under pressure. Wilder has faster hands, iron chin, truest one punch knockout power there's ever been. Has a slight height and reach advantage. Massive heart, hard to put away. Unless Wilder's shot now, this fight is and always has been a total recipe for disaster.

No, you don't need "skills at the highest level" in the heavyweight division. At least not in the total package way you're implying. They're all flawed in some way, none of them have everything the way some do in the lower weight classes. At heavyweight, all you need is to be special in some way, with maybe a small handful of elite skills or attributes. Wilder has power, heart, and chin at the highest level pound 4 pound, complimented by a 6'7 frame with twitchy hand speed when he comes in light. He's a special talent. There just happens to be one other bigger special talent right now who has his number. Wilder's not out there losing fights he shouldn't be losing. It's not like he's been exposed since there isn't exactly a blueprint for others to follow. Not unless you're a 50lbs heavier giant with world class fight IQ and endurance never seen before at that size. Even then, it wasn't exactly easy work with Fury having to scrape himself off the canvas 4 times in the trilogy. You've already undercut your own argument, glossing over the obvious response that Wilder's particular set of skills probably stops everyone else in the division. Or at least if he's still the Wilder that fought Fury the first time before these wars... Fury himself thinks he's the only man who could've beaten Wilder. You should listen to him.

You're really gonna call AJs and Fury's resume mediocre, while defending Wilder of all people. If guys like Whyte, Parker, Chisora and Povetkin are mediocre, then what was everyone Wilder fought prior to Ortiz? Wilder has one of the worst resumes of any heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. Yeah, and Wilder still couldn't knock him out. AJ started being matched tough as early as his 15th bout, while Wilder didn't face anyone good until his 40th. Keep in mind that AJ also hasn't boxed as long as Wilder. Ortiz is more dangerous than Usyk? Is that really a hill you wanna die on? The highlight of Ortiz's professional career was getting sparked twice by Wilder, his best win is still Bryant Jennings and he's long in the tooth at this point. Usyk is much more accomplished than Ortiz. Offensively, Wilder doesn't have much beyond a 1-2, which is something everybody with a functioning brain will train to exploit. His only hope of beating anyone good, is to survive long enough to land a clean right hand and hope that either they stay down or can be finished right after. His style is the epitome of a puncher's chance. Ruiz has a wider selection of punches, much higher punch output and better gas tank than Wilder, despite being morbidly obese. That man you're calling fat has a better resume than Wilder. He can't get much out of his size, because he's incompetent. Example: He was conditioning Fury to look out for body shots in the 1st round, to the point that Fury started to throw check left hooks. A good response to that would've been to eventually feint a body jab and shoot a right hand upstairs. Would it have been guaranteed to work? No, but it would've been a smart adjustment nonetheless, and if it worked, it could've banked Wilder a knockdown at least. He dropped Fury in the 4th round, because for some reason Fury just walked into him with a high guard. Fury got careless and handed Wilder a knockdown. If he stayed alert, he would've just taken Wilder out sooner. Guys like Whyte, Parker, Chisora and Povetkin mean nothing to me. They're all the same caliber of fighters Wlad would sleepwalk through for a decade. Povetkin being one of them, who was past 40 and out of his prime when he managed to sleep Dillian. Dillian, who i'm supposed to take seriously as a #1 contender and some sort of impressive win on a resume. Nah. They're gatekeepers. Ortiz is better than those guys. I'd still bet the house on him to knockout AJ, and give Fury a good run for his money. No one but Wilder seems to want to fight Ortiz. No coincidence he's the other guy after Wilder and Fury that Hearn managed to let slip through the cracks for whatever reason. Usyk is good pound for pound, but i'm not convinced he's a very good heavyweight. I need to see more. AJ losing on any given day doesn't surprise me. Arguably not even Usyk's toughest night at heavyweight. No way i'm ready to pick him over Ortiz. Ruiz is talented, but showed the world he has bum discipline. Showed up fat to defend, and couldn't do anything about a shook AJ running for the scorecards. Wilder is more than just a puncher's chance 1-2. Like I said, he will land the 1-2. These heavyweights can't avoid it, not even Fury who's just been able to weigh on Wilder with his presence and absorb it when it catches him. Wilder's mean, he's tough, and he's twitchy fast with those straight punches when he's on his game. Probably the best athlete in the division by a good amount. Has what team sports critics call 'the intangibles.' It's what separates him from a guy like Ajagba who has much of the same physical capability, but just isn't made of the same stuff to accomplish what Wilder has.

I didn't mean that he needed the highest level of skills, I meant that he'd need at least some skills against the highest level of opposition. A basic understanding of sticking & moving would make him twice as dangerous as he already is; He doesn't need to be Sweet Pea. He coulda gotten Fury outta there if he didn't go out there looking like a club fighter. Who did Wilder fight besides Fury and Ortiz? He went life and death with all of the 2 good fighters in his resume, and got starched twice by one of them. He has a puncher's chance against anyone good, and that's it. Put a prime fighter with decent ring IQ and pop in front of him, and he more than likely gets rag dolled again. Hell, Frank Sanchez would probably turn him into a pack. Comparing resumes of modern heavyweight champs is useless imo. The division was shallow until recently, and the best rarely end up fighting each other. You could just as easily say that Fury or Joshua beat nothing but mediocre fighters and an old Wlad. Fury's hit the deck a number of times throughout his career, went life and death with the likes of Otto Wallin. AJ's either lost or gone life and death any time he's been remotely tested... I'd say Ortiz was the most dangerous fighter any of them fought outside of Wilder and Fury fighting each other, and that includes Usyk. I disagree with Wilder being a 'puncher's chance' type of fighter against anyone but Fury. Puncher's chance implies underdog, unlikely to land that punch and win. Fat Ruiz was a puncher's chance against 6'6 AJ with all the physical advantages. Wilder is better than that. He's the one with the physical advantages 99% of the time. He WILL land his punch. However, I do agree that Frank Sanchez is a problem. Almost like a younger, fresher Ortiz. Faster, but not as powerful.

Wilder fighting Whyte is not stupid on Wilder's part if he is confident that he can BEAT Whyte. But he isn't. I bet Wilder would fight a soft hitting bum as a tune up. That's his track record. But to actually fight someone who has a chance of knocking him out? Nahhh, Wilder has never done that and definitely wouldn't do that here. Shame though because I vividly remember Lewis taking on Klitschko with 2 weeks notice. But Lewis was a true champion who consistently fought the best. Wilder is a fraud who has only fought 1 guy in the current top 30!!! you claim to be one of the best and you haven't fought anyone else in the top 30????? That's fraudulent Luis Ortiz can knockout anyone. He'd still beat the brakes off Dillian.

How about we just scrap AJ vs Cruiserweight Usyk (which apparently still doesn't have a venue) and do AJ vs Wilder in September?

So refreshing to see someone saying the same thing I been saying for ages: Those two guys are getting way more credit than their records deserve. The stupidity around Fury especially, people saying stuff like "genius" and all that crap. He's been dropped by nobodies and gone life and death against nobodies. Wilder is awful and although he has that big punch he hasn't really put anyone decent to sleep. No Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, Whyte or other top guys on his boxrec, and Fury has Wlad and that's it. Two frauds getting props for erm....fighting each other. I agree that this is a dangerous fight for Fury. As **** as Wilder is he was so embarrassed by that beatdown he will give everything to avenge it. God forbid we have to endure a 4th one if Wilder wins - those guys are log jamming the F&%k out of the division at a time when there are some great matches to be made. And some fools on here defend them like they are Ali / Frazier /Foreman levels of good. SMH. What makes Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, and Whyte anything special? The fact that they made it on AJ's record? These are gatekeepers. Right now there's Fury, Wilder, AJ, and everyone else. The only way any of these 3 can impress against lesser opponents is the fashion in which they beat them.

Lol Floyd quit throwing in Round 6. Come one guys he didn’t want to hurt the kid. I noticed that too. Don't know what happened there. Can't remember whether it was round 3 or 4 where Floyd started to tee off on Logan and it looked like the end was near, and then he just stopped throwing for some reason. Logan was absolutely gassed, but between his age and all that clinching with such a bigger guy, Floyd must've tired out himself a bit as well.

I like Fury, but I don't think it has much to do with him. America's a racist and deeply divided country. Any good white man would be favored over a guy like Wilder.

It was obvious. Been saying it for years. Wilder finishing AJ in devastating fashion in the UK... We got robbed of that moment.

Usyk wouldn't stand a chance. Don't let AJ's lack of performance fool you. All tonight confirmed is there's only 2 elite heavyweights, and they've already been at war for years.

Usyk would absolutely embarrass wilder.......wilder would have fits trying to land on him and let me tell when wilder would throw his right hand at usyk .....usyk could nip to the dressing room have a cup and tea and come back in the ring and still evade wilders shot. I don’t fancy anybody against usyk simply because he is so hard to hit with his angles , stamina and movement. joshua will sit in that dressing and think to himself I just lost to a super human machine Usyk slowed down a whole lot in the middle of the fight. AJ just wasn't good enough to take advantage. Those shots that hurt AJ wouldn't hurt Wilder. Wilder's right hand lands against Usyk within 7 rounds and the fight is over. Wilder's landed it against everyone, Fury included, but one punch isn't enough to stop Fury.

That's all because of dana--he kept them under one promotion The other MMA promotions, past and present, run their leagues more or less the same way though. There's nothing in the way of putting together the fights people want to see.

If dana managed all of boxing it would be way better for the fans- FACT Has nothing to do with Dana White though. UFC gets it done because their fighters are all under the same promotion. Any single person or organization running all of boxing would result in more of the top guys fighting each other.

Boxing never seems to strike when the iron is hot, AJ/Wilder was gonna be the BIG fight, but one reason or another they delayed and delayed and then AJ lost to Ruiz & Fury beat Wilder Now we want to see an Undisputed championship in HW but looks like the same BS is happening yet again The one common denominator in all of this? Hearn. AJ's the cash cow at heavyweight everyone wants to fight. In other words, no one's ducking him. He is the ultimate prize fight... Yet for whatever reason, neither Wilder or Fury could ever get the guy in the ring. Instead they'll likely end up fighting each other three times before AJ fights either of them. So no, i'm not surprised it fell through. I'd be far more surprised if the fight actually happened. I'll even go as far as to say that AJ will not have fought or have a date confirmed with either of them by this time next year.