That's not surprising for a promoter seeking to promote the next event that he is already invested in.
I wonder which event would sell the most???
Fury v Ngannou
or
Fury v Usyk
We as Boxing aficionados understand which one is more important; the one that unifies the Heavyweight titles, of course.
Or is it?
What if Fury - Ngannou is highly entertaining and unifies the combat sports fanbase a bit more? I suppose that's important too, ya?
If the title is unified, by anyone; the clock starts ticking for when the stripping begins. Chances are that re-fragmentation will commence before the unification winner retires.
That's sad, but true; and it tempers the overall importance of full unification, regrettably, as being both fragile and temporary.
But thankfully, at Heavyweight, the Alpha weight class, we have Liniage. It is that alone that matters to any serious follower of the sport, and nothing else does.
They'll always be adding new sanctioning bodies, belts and weight classes, producing a multitude of title whice are hard won and easily stripped.
Lineage means absolutely nothing.
Why is Tyson Fury the lineal champ and not Lennox Lewis?
Lennox never lost the imaginary lineal title in the ring, so how did Fury end up with it?
Fury became lineal champ by beating Wlad Klitschko?
So who did Wlad beat to become lineal champ?
There is no such thing as a lineal title. You have been conned.
These are short careers these athletes have, and entering the workforce at 40 is tough. ALL of them should be selling their rare talents to the highest bidder. Both Fury and Dubois should and go for the easy money of whipping a novice boxer who became famous by beating up wrestlers & kickboxers.
Will Fury fight Usyk???? I imagine he will.....If Usyk is still around in January. Afterall, Fury fights em' all if they don't lose on the lead-up.
It's hard to believe that a guy who calls himself a boxing fan should be advocating for top boxers fighting wrestlers in circus clown shows, rather than each other in a boxing ring.
Are you going to be spending any of that easy money you're wetting your panties over?
If Usyk looks good against Dubois, then probably not.
Frank Warren let something slip in an interview when he got annoyed because the interviewer kept asking him about Fury vs Usyk, when Frank clearly wanted to talk about what a huge, huge, massive, massive MASSIVE event Fury vs Ngannou was going to be. He said there was no point talking about Fury fighting Usyk, because Usyk was going to get knocked out by Daniel Dubois. The interviewer then asked him if he could guarantee that Fury would fight the winner of Usyk vs Dubois. Warren angrily replied that it depends who the winner is. Not very encouraging, eh?
That's not surprising for a promoter seeking to promote the next event that he is already invested in.
I wonder which event would sell the most???
Fury v Ngannou
or
Fury v Usyk
We as Boxing aficionados understand which one is more important; the one that unifies the Heavyweight titles, of course.
Or is it?
What if Fury - Ngannou is highly entertaining and unifies the combat sports fanbase a bit more? I suppose that's important too, ya?
If the title is unified, by anyone; the clock starts ticking for when the stripping begins. Chances are that re-fragmentation will commence before the unification winner retires.
That's sad, but true; and it tempers the overall importance of full unification, regrettably, as being both fragile and temporary.
But thankfully, at Heavyweight, the Alpha weight class, we have Liniage. It is that alone that matters to any serious follower of the sport, and nothing else does.
They'll always be adding new sanctioning bodies, belts and weight classes, producing a multitude of title whice are hard won and easily stripped.
That is a good point actually.
But do you believe Fury will fight Usyk after that Ngannou crap? I don`t.
These are short careers these athletes have, and entering the workforce at 40 is tough. ALL of them should be selling their rare talents to the highest bidder. Both Fury and Dubois should and go for the easy money of whipping a novice boxer who became famous by beating up wrestlers & kickboxers.
Will Fury fight Usyk???? I imagine he will.....If Usyk is still around in January. Afterall, Fury fights em' all if they don't lose on the lead-up.
Did you notice anything going over your head while you were reading my comment?
I noticed how dumb you are, and that you think you are a very knowledgeable because you've been sitting on your ass watching boxing since the 90's...as if that's sooooo long.
Guess what? Tyson/Douglas & Holyfield won't be fighting, it's completely irrelevant.
Did you notice anything going over your head while you were reading my comment?
If you had been a boxing fan as long as me, you would remember that Buster Douglas getting KO'd by Mike Tyson was also inevitable. You would also remember that Evander Holyfield had looked like **** in his last couple of fights before facing Tyson, and hardly anyone gave him a chance against Iron Mike.
Guess what? Tyson/Douglas & Holyfield won't be fighting, it's completely irrelevant.
Wilder will KO AJ...it's inevitable.
Wilder won't even give AJ a chance to figure him out. He will land something meaningful on him early, and AJ will just fall apart like he did against Ruiz. If Wilder doesn't KO him on that first initial blow, it will have set up the KO shortly after.
If you had been a boxing fan as long as me, you would remember that Buster Douglas getting KO'd by Mike Tyson was also inevitable. You would also remember that Evander Holyfield had looked like shit in his last couple of fights before facing Tyson, and hardly anyone gave him a chance against Iron Mike.
That is a good point actually.
But do you believe Fury will fight Usyk after that Ngannou crap? I don`t.
If Usyk looks good against Dubois, then probably not.
Frank Warren let something slip in an interview when he got annoyed because the interviewer kept asking him about Fury vs Usyk, when Frank clearly wanted to talk about what a huge, huge, massive, massive MASSIVE event Fury vs Ngannou was going to be. He said there was no point talking about Fury fighting Usyk, because Usyk was going to get knocked out by Daniel Dubois. The interviewer then asked him if he could guarantee that Fury would fight the winner of Usyk vs Dubois. Warren angrily replied that it depends who the winner is. Not very encouraging, eh?
Wilder will KO AJ...it's inevitable.
Wilder won't even give AJ a chance to figure him out. He will land something meaningful on him early, and AJ will just fall apart like he did against Ruiz. If Wilder doesn't KO him on that first initial blow, it will have set up the KO shortly after.
There's no guesswork involved, just observation and rational, objective thought.
You should try thinking rationally about the question you asked at the end of your comment.
If Dubois had been a world champion, instead of a mandatory challeger, and some Saudi Arabian prince had offered him 50 times as much money to fight an MMA guy as he will get for fighting Usyk ... what do you think Daniel would have done?
That is a good point actually.
But do you believe Fury will fight Usyk after that Ngannou crap? I don`t.
That's some pretty strange guesswork.
there's no "Ducking" going on atop the Heavyweights. Follow the money. Fury ducking Usyk? Why? Dubois isn't.
There's no guesswork involved, just observation and rational, objective thought.
You should try thinking rationally about the question you asked at the end of your comment.
If Dubois had been a world champion, instead of a mandatory challeger, and some Saudi Arabian prince had offered him 50 times as much money to fight an MMA guy as he will get for fighting Usyk ... what do you think Daniel would have done?
I'm not implying anything, I'm stating facts.
Wilder himself let it slip that he'd turned down more money to fight AJ than he got for fighting Fury. I presume he must have been talking about the $100million DAZN offer there.
Fury swerved Usyk to "fight" Ngannou instead.
That's some pretty strange guesswork.
there's no "Ducking" going on atop the Heavyweights. Follow the money. Fury ducking Usyk? Why? Dubois isn't.
This is boxing, not the UFC. 'Mandatories' are only obstacles if you want them to be. Money talks, and these boxing organizations grant exemptions all the time. If worse comes to worst, stars forfeit titles to make big fights happen. Wilder would always laugh about AJ's camp claiming mandatories when trying to book fights with him... Ortiz was a mandatory for AJ a couple times or so, and of course they managed to avoid it.
AJ still had the option to fight Fury if they could just come to an agreement. Of course they failed, and only then would go on to take the mandatory Usyk. Guarantee you they thought Usyk was too small for him, just like most experts did. So they had no issue taking the fight.
I'll concede that Fury's a total wild card when it comes to doing anything, but still, Hearn can never book the big fight when it comes to AJ. It's no coincidence.
I tend to agree.
I have eyes, and saw the cup of the glove land which made a slapping sound which is what you heard. that was a dive nothing will convince me it wasn't. Just like Malik Scott who took a dive, Helenius is Wilder's buddy and sparring partner.
Stick to pro wrestling.
This is boxing, not the UFC. 'Mandatories' are only obstacles if you want them to be. Money talks, and these boxing organizations grant exemptions all the time. If worse comes to worst, stars forfeit titles to make big fights happen. Wilder would always laugh about AJ's camp claiming mandatories when trying to book fights with him.
Besides, AJ still had the option to fight Fury if they could just come to an agreement. Of course they failed, and only then would go on to take the mandatory Usyk. Guarantee you they thought Usyk was too small for him, just like most experts did. So they had no issue taking the fight.
I'll concede that Fury's a total wild card when it comes to doing anything, but still, Hearn can never book the big fight when it comes to AJ. It's no coincidence.
Of course Wilder laughed at AJ's mandatory obligations. As the WBC champion, he could afford to treat mandatory obligations as a joke.
You're embarrassing yourself.
Just as you did with the post saying Joshua fought Usyk because they thought he was too small. No, he was a mandatory. Like a real life mandatory when orgs follow their rules and the champion takes on the mandatory challenger.
Joshua didn't duck. He offered. Over and over. He actually signed up to fight Fury - a real signature on a real contract. Wilder confirmed that he fought Fury instead of Joshua. How much evidence do you need before you understand?
The debate over Joshua's ability or his place in the rankings for the era is absolutely up for debate, but whether he was trying to make the big fights and achieve Undisputed is a definitively completed debate. He was. It's really, really clear to anyone with even a moderate IQ.
As for why Fury avoided meaningful fights... who knows? But he very definitively does. He's fighting a non-boxer rather than any kind of legitimate challenger. This is boxing, not the UFC. 'Mandatories' are only obstacles if you want them to be. Money talks, and these boxing organizations grant exemptions all the time. If worse comes to worst, stars forfeit titles to make big fights happen. Wilder would always laugh about AJ's camp claiming mandatories when trying to book fights with him... Ortiz was a mandatory for AJ a couple times or so, and of course they managed to avoid it.
AJ still had the option to fight Fury if they could just come to an agreement. Of course they failed, and only then would go on to take the mandatory Usyk. Guarantee you they thought Usyk was too small for him, just like most experts did. So they had no issue taking the fight.
I'll concede that Fury's a total wild card when it comes to doing anything, but still, Hearn can never book the big fight when it comes to AJ. It's no coincidence.
I can accept that AJ looked timid, at times, though that could have been him following a game plan.
But saying he went life and death with Helenius is ridiculous. He won every round, except maybe the 1st, and flattened Helenius with the first serious attack he launched. That wasn't a life or death fight!
I mean, he got marked up pretty bad and the shot he landed against Helenius was available early on many times. Robert kept pulling straight back with his head up and hands down at times. I was calling it every round that he was going to get ktfo doing that and it eventually happened. I was just surprised how long it took to happen and in the process, Robert had a lot of success. AJ's face was pretty bad in the end. The KO was nice, but to get there was not that easy.
Anyone else thought it was so lame for him to walk out of the ring to let fans touch his gloves? As if he just KO'd, ahem, Wilder? Something remarkable? I thought it was so stupid like the dude legit needs validation in his life or he has a mental breakdown. Hell, Crawford was more deserving to do something like that a few weeks ago and even he did not, nor would ever have needed to. He's comfortable with himself and doesn't need that validation in life.
Prior to watching AJ go life and death against Helenius, I felt him vs Wilder was 50/50. Now I'm learning 80/20 towards Wilder. AJ just looks too timid. He's going to look scared to death against Wilder and he should be. If he lapse for just 5 seconds, he can be the next victim looking like Helenius, eyes rolled back staring into the light.
I just hope Wilder sticks with his 215lbs weight. He seems to be more devastating at the lighter weight which gives him a blinding right hand. I can't see AJ avoiding that for all 12. I also can't see Wilder not slipping that in when AJ decides to get brave and exchange.
I can see either one of them knocking out the other.
I'm favouring AJ because of Wilder's inactivity and the fact that we don't know how much those 2 crushing defeats against Fury have taken out of him, mentally and physically.
Prior to watching AJ go life and death against Helenius, I felt him vs Wilder was 50/50. Now I'm learning 80/20 towards Wilder. AJ just looks too timid. He's going to look scared to death against Wilder and he should be. If he lapse for just 5 seconds, he can be the next victim looking like Helenius, eyes rolled back staring into the light.
I just hope Wilder sticks with his 215lbs weight. He seems to be more devastating at the lighter weight which gives him a blinding right hand. I can't see AJ avoiding that for all 12. I also can't see Wilder not slipping that in when AJ decides to get brave and exchange.
I can accept that AJ looked timid, at times, though that could have been him following a game plan.
But saying he went life and death with Helenius is ridiculous. He won every round, except maybe the 1st, and flattened Helenius with the first serious attack he launched. That wasn't a life or death fight!