I would most likely rank Mayweather above Pacquaio if he were to beat him in impressive fashion.
I don't consider Pacqiauo that much higher, personally.
I probably have Pac 20-25 right now and Mayweather 30-35.
even if floyd beats pac he wont rank higher atg wise.
Pryor beat arguello twice but nobody in their right mind would rank pryor above arguello.
Agreed, it would close the gap pretty significantly.
That seems interesting. WHy if you don't mind answering.
I'm a Mayweather fan and have been for the about 14 years now, overall though I just think Pac has a better resume than Floyd, however, unlike most people, I think Pac's resume is better for what he did under 140, not the circus show Top Rank has pulled here lately.
Floyd is an absolute moron for saying stuff like this, but you morons who say Duran or SRL would murder Floyd are just plain ignorant, literally just plain ignorant. Go back and watch some f***ing film. Could either of them have beaten Floyd? Of course they could have, nut murder Floyd, cmon now you're just being ignorant. Now Tommy Hearns is a completely different story, WW was his first weight class and he was just and absolute freak WW and a nightmare matchup for ANY WW. Hearns would decapitate ANY welterwieight on the planet today. He'd blow Manny away in 3 rounds, and would have a damn good chance at stopping Floyd too. Yes I am well aware that SRL TKO'd Hearns, I've watched the fight a million times, but if we're talking about today, where boxing matches are only 12 rounds, Hearns was probably winning that fight by 4 or 5 rounds.
See i wouldnt be to sure only for 1 thing...
If hatton managed to win rounds against floyd (and yeah he eventually got knocked out)
I have no doubt in my mind pacquiao will give him trouble....
It WILL be a close fight....
Completely different types of pressure bro. Hatton was a mauler/wrestler/bully which is the type of fighter that gives Floyd trouble (ie Castillo and Chavez). Hatton actually only landed around 60 punches in that entire fight. Manny cannot fight inside at all, and literally doesn't even know what a clinch is. Pac fights jumping in and out rythm and combinations. He's a boxer brawler but he doesn't maul/physically bully like it would take to beat Floyd. He's not going to outbox Floyd EVER..EVER, and Floyd is too smart to get into a brawl with Pac. Floyd UD 8-4 or 7-5 in a competitive fight.
I see a Castillo - Mayweather type fight. Pacquiao will pressure Mayweather, be in front of him - every second of the fight.
This fight isn't one sided. Mayweather is slowing down as a fighter to, Pacquiao will give him plenty to think about.
Pac's style is so completely different from Castillo's that I am having a hard time even comprehending how you just made that comparison. Castillo completely bullied Floyd physically and was 12 pounds heavier on fight night than Floyd. Castillo is an inside fighter, Pac can't fight on the inside at all. The reason I like Mayweather so much in this fight is because of his ability to control range. Anyone who has consistently watched Pac knows he is really only comfortable from one range...not on the inside..not too far outside..but just right in the gray area. Floyd controls range as well as anyone I have ever seen, when he takes Pac out of that gray range I can see Pac getting very confused. Another thing, Manny's entire offense depends on combinations, he has does not have a reliable jab to fall back on if he faces someone who can disrupt his combination punching. Floyd controls range, controls Pac's punch output, and wins a hard earned decision.
This is hands down the best Floyd vs. Pac thread. Great discussion in here.
Mainly because I have like 95% of the trolls on this site on ignore.
Yeah it's pretty easy to have a good conversation when you don't have retards like Strugg, Check Hook, and Modern Talking saying stupid s**t every 3 posts.
Total Power punches landed/thrown: Most important statistics.
Baldomir/Oscar/Hatton/Marquez/Mosley against Floyd.
Landed: 295
Thrown: 1,676
17%
Cotto/Clottey/Margarito against Manny
Landed: 310
Thrown: 849
36%
Cotto, Clottey, and Margs land 36% of their power punches, now just imagine what the most accurate puncher in Compubox history would do.
That is a nasty statistic, you can use stats to prove anything really but Floyd's numbers in those punchstats statistics are unreal.
He's the most accurate puncher in Compubox history and arguably ever. That's why when I see someone like Margs hit Pac 229 times I can't help but think Floyd hits Pac at will.
One more thing, although Floyd is the best pure boxer in the sport. Manny is top 5 definitely, the things he is doing nowadays is incredible, Manny's skills are vastly underrated by some.
Not even close man, Pac has a below average jab, an average right hook, below average defense, and can't fight inside. What sets Manny apart from 99% of boxers are his speed, his incredible stamina, and his punch volume. Let's not get him confused for having elite pure boxing skills. Let me be specific though as to my definition of pure boxing skills so we can be on the same page. For me the definition of pure boxing skill is the art of hitting your opponent without getting hit.
Competitive fight for the most part but I think Mayweather wins a comfortable decision, 8-4 or 7-5. This is simply a miserable style matchup for Pac. Everything that has bothered Manny in the past Floyd does very well..jab, counter punching, straight right, defense etc etc. The biggest factors for me are Floyd's ability to minimize Pac's punch output and Manny's minimal defense. Maragarito landed 221 punches on Pac yet people still want to tell me how improved Manny's defense is..it's not.. plain and simple..his defense is poor..end of story. Floyd is the most accurate puncher is compubox history and possibly ever. Mayweather UD.
Not all fights needs a face off especially if there is no bad blood or history between both fighters.
With Floyd you never know which way he is going.
After the Cotto/Margo face-off most of the upcomming face-offs might come short to that one
Exactly my friend, just no way to know which marketing angle Floyd is going to take.
As I have said before unless Cotto somehow becomes MUCH more difficult to hit this will most likely become target practice for Mayweather by round 6..and mark my words once Mayweather's right hand starts landing consistently he will walk Cotto down.
Dude, Ortiz knocks Peterson down twice but gasses out like Mosley and can still only manage a draw and you like him to beat Berto? Cmon man get serious, if he can't put Peterson away he sure as heck can't put Berto away. Not to mention it's gonna be his first time getting hit by a legit welterweight. I can already hear your logic too, "well he was gassed because he had problems making 140, he'll be better at 147". Get real man.
Berto has been hurt by feather fisted fighters. And come fight night, I think Ortiz will be the bigger of the two. Call me crazy, but I think Victor can time Andre and possibly get him outta there inside the distance.
Not a chance in the world Ortiz is the bigger guy. Do you realize that Berto was a running back in high school and weighed over 185 lbs?
2 things about Pac that absolutely baffle me are just how poor his defense is and how poor his jab is. NOBODY that gets hit 221 times by Antonio Margarito is beating Floyd Mayweather, not happening, not in this life time, not ever. Pac fans talk about how much he has improved since his fight with Marquez in 2008, bit it literally just isn't true. His jab is still trash, he still has miserable defense, he still lunges in, and he's still a counter punchers dream come true. I'm not being biased, but you simply cannot say from a technical standpoint that he has improved drastically.
How many Southpaws has he had problems with?
Corley landed a few good shots and Judah gave him some trouble for 4 rounds before getting completely destroyed. It's just something Pac fans use to point out weaknesses in Floyd's game. In all reality Mayweather has only had 2 close fights in his entire career (Castillo 1 and DLH) but when you are that good people just have to nit pick to find anything (not to mention Floyd is just held to a completely different standard than anyone else). Meanwhile Floyd pitches a shutout against Marquez who beat Pac 16 out of 24 rounds and Pac fans somehow still conjur up ways that Pac is going to KO Floyd. You kinda just have to laugh at it really.
I will say this though, for a person of Al Bernstein's boxing background and knowledge to say something as ridiculous as Manny will throw over 1,000 punches against Floyd is just completely bizarre. Anyone who truly knows both of these fighters and knows boxing knows that there is literally NO CHANCE Manny gets 1,000 punches off against Mayweather. Pac only got off around 650 in both of his fights with Marquez. Just a completely ludicrous statement. One of Floyd's biggest strengths is controlling his opponents punch output. Someone please name me a Mayweather opponent who has thrown 1,000 punches against Floyd.
I simply have to laugh at people who think Pac has DRASTICALLY improved since fighting Marquez in 2008. Totally absurd, and just shows and extreme lack of boxing knowledge. Dude gets hit 221 times by Antonio Margarito and looks like he got into a street fight after the Clottey fight, yeah Pac is sooo much better. Still has a garbage jab, still lunges in, still has miserable defense, and is still susceptible to counter punching. And yes of course his footwork looks better when his opponents are literally standing flat footed in front of him the entire fight. You people crack me up. Styles people, styles, all that has changed is the styles of his opponents.
Another common misconception is the idea that Pac has gained significant size and muscle mass since his fight with Marquez in 2008. Once again completely and utterly false. When Pac and Marquez fought in 2008 Pac's fight night weight was 145 and Marquez was 141. Pac's fight night weight against Margarito was 148. Three pound difference in 3 years, yeah he's Jay Cutler now, so much bigger, so much stronger, you clowns have to check your facts. As a matter of fact how about this, Pac fought Morales when he was 27 years old in 2006, he was 144 on fight night. That's a four pound difference from the Margarito fight in 5 years. This dude has been around 145 on fight night ever since he was fighting at 125 people, he IS NOT that much bigger.
The reason the JMM fights are used is just because it's the closest style wise Pac has fought to Floyd recently. I agree JMM and Floyd are very different but it's certainly a more accurate comparison than ANYTHING Pac has fought lately. Not to mention let's be serious, besides combination punching, there isn't one thing that Marquez does better than Mayweather.
I can't believe people think Mayweather would have just embarrassed Margarito back in 2005 or 2006. If Mayweather had fought Margarito at any point before the Cotto fight, it would have been one of the toughest fights of his career. Margarito would have had that hell bent on destruction type mentality he brought into the ring against Cotto, and Floyd would have had to be as slick as he has ever been.
Margarito is big, relentless, strong, knows how to back fighters into the ropes, and refused to let his opponents get comfortable. Mayweather wouldn't have been able to hurt him, would not have been able to stand in front of him, and would have had a hard time circling him without ending up on the ropes where Margarito could do damage. At the very least, Mayweather gets busted up and really has to work for the win.
Please name me a fight where Mayweather has been "busted up." Show me a pic of Floyd's face after any fight where it looks like he just got beat up in the least. Please post the link, thanks.
I don't think any Pac fan that really knows boxing would be confident in putting any significant amount of money on this fight. The problem is that most Pac fans are Pac fans first and boxing fans second. I bet most Pac fans never even saw him fight before the first Barrera match. I would put every dollar I own on Mayweather in that fight with complete confidence.
Mayweather's fall from grace will be as shocking as Roy's. If he ever fights again.
I see the logic in what you're trying to say here, BUT Roy's fall from grace was simply inevitable due to his major lack of technical skill, fundamental flaws, and EXTREME reliance on God given athletic ability. Roy may have been the most GIFTED fighter of all time, but his fundamentals were simply awful in many ways. Once his physical ability started to fail him, he didn't have the technical skills to still be competitive. Floyd is the complete opposite...he is the best technical fighter of our time, has the best defense arguably ever, and is the most accurate puncher in Compubox history. Floyd is an EXTEMELY physically gifted fighter (amazingly fast hands, crazy stamina, reflexes etc..etc..) but he has the skill set to remain competitive when things like hand speed and reflexes start to fade a little.
He didn't look like the Floyd we all know against Mosley. He was flat footed and was standing in front of Mosley the whole fight. It reminded me of Whitaker late in his career when he just stop using his legs. But hey it was just one fight so we will see how he looks in the future if he ever fight again.
I mean it completely baffles me how you could possibly criticize or critique that performance. Besides the second round he was literally flawless and administered a complete and utter a** beating. Nobody has EVER dominated Mosley so thoroughly. Why would Floyd use his legs and run and jump around the ring when he clearly didn't need to. He stood right in front of Shayne and completely demoralized/obliterated him.
God Tommy Hearns was such a damn freak. There will NEVER be another WW like that..how the hell did that guy ever make 147 haha. The thing that people aren't taking into consideration here is that the only guys on this list that started their careers at WW were Forrest, Tito, and Mayorga, everyone else started at lower weight classes.. Tommy started his career at WW and was just a monster physically. I don't think people appreciate how big of a physical freak Hearns was. I have a framed pic in my bedroom of Hearns and Hagler standing next to each other before their fight, and Hearns absolutely dwarfs Hagler (although that was at middle weight).
Pac-would get decapitated, literally no chance in that fight.
Cotto-decapitated
Mayorga-decapitated
Margs- complete joke, this guy was never an elite fighter and we all know he cheated for the biggest win of his career, Tommy destroys Margs
Tito-Would probably get KO'd, but the left hook would b a major threat to Hearns, that would be one hell of an entertaining fight though
Oscar-I think prime Oscar does ok in this fight, I think he makes it all 12 rounds and loses a pretty wide decision, punchers chance though
Mosley-Prime Mosley I think goes the distance as well, the man really does have a granite chin, literally 0% chance of winning a decision though, punchers chance
Mayweather-loses a unanimous decision 8/10 times, get's KO'd once, and wins a split decision once. Hearns jab would give Mayweather fits, but Floyd's defense would frustrate Tommy at times.
Forrest-I mean he's basically a poor man's version of Hearns, very similar physically except Tommy does EVERYTHING better, they r both fairly chinny at WW though, Hearns via mid/late round stoppage
He would never have gotten hit by those punches because he would never be sitting in front of Mosley like Floyd was.
Yeah You're totally right bro! Manny gets hit with WAY LESS flush shots than Floyd does! You have to be kidding me dude, take that non sense somewhere else. What a joke of a comment.