The fight would be really technical, Pac throwing 1000 punches? lol.
If Floyd thinks he can beat Pac easy He would've signed the fight already! But the Coward is ducking all he can & makes every excuses available! Floyd Blink already!!! I think Pac will beat him easy now!
The Pac at 140 & up is a much different Pac now than the Pac that struggled with JMM. Pac's better defensively now and Uses both hand efficiently. And Pac's much a stronger man now at welter! It's either Floyd lose or Floyd ducks forever!! That's how I see it now!!
In the first fight against JMM, Manny through 639 punches and landed 148 of them for a connect percentage of 23%. Again, I think it is more than realistic for Manny to throw less than 600 punches against Floyd plus have a lower connect percentage than what he had in his second fight with JMM.
In the second fight against JMM, Manny through 619 punches and landed 157 of them for a connect percentage of 25%. I think it is more than realistic for Manny to throw less than 600 punches against Floyd plus have a lower connect percentage than what he had in his second fight with JMM. In regards to Al Berstein, I lost some respect with that analysis.
I dont think the judges would like floyd against Pac. They would favour Pac. Floyd has looked good with his style against inferior boxers. But Pac is not like anything Floyd has faced, and Floyd probably thinks that as well.
Thats why he is very reluctant. But if he has decided he wants Pac, he will have been training for Pac for years now, and not the traditional 8 weeks before the fight. Pac has been fighting a lot, and that has given Floyd plenty of time to study Pac. Come on now, what else do people think Floyd does with his time? Dont let him fool you he can take years off and still come back similar to what he was.
BINGO! this is the true scenario..the pac-may fight will never happen.
Throwing less punches against a counter-puncher is a sure way to defeat. That is exactly how counter punchers want it, to make the opponent think he will get countered if he comes in so they throw less punches. The key to success against counter-punchers is to throw a lot of combos. A counter puncher can block/avoid two three combo shots but not an avalanche of punches. That is how to defeat floyd.
My opinion.
'totally agree with you bro, it's really difficult to counter a barrage of punches with power behind, because it will make you off-balanced before setting up a counter. it's dangerous to throw a counter punch when you're off balanced.
So you believe it'll be a Mayweather fight through and through, huh?
I doubt Mayweather reduces Pacquiao's accuracy to 15-20% and output under 600 punches. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but that's Mayweather's best case scenario.
For Mayweather to win a decision, he's going to have to keep Pacquiao's accuracy under 30% and his output close to, if not, under 600.
Mayweather's defense is great, but from what I've seen, he isn't as untouchable against southpaws, let alone a southpaw with a great combination of speed and explosiveness, who can let go of a 5 punch body-head combination at the drop, as well as lead and counter.
He's switched up to a high guard against all the southpaws he's faced, that alone will make him more open than usual against Manny.
I agree I think people are grossly exaggerating how much floyd would affect manny's output, believe me he will still get off with an average of 60 punches a round. His percentages will probably be between 25-30% landed. Whilst mayweather would probably average his usual 35-40 per round landing around 40%.
Its not like its not been done before castillo landed well in both his fights against mayweather. All in all I think it can be done by manny maybe not the numbers that Bernstein was eluding to but the numbers I mention above equal out to a close fight that will most likely be hard to score.
Pac's output would come down from the 1000s to mid-500 and then he would probably land 15-20% of that mid-500 all night.
Al thinks Pac wins a decision because Pac would throw is normal 1000s and then land 500, compare to Mayweather who would throw 550 most and land 40% (200 ish).. So but that is a silly way to judge.
So you believe it'll be a Mayweather fight through and through, huh?
I doubt Mayweather reduces Pacquiao's accuracy to 15-20% and output under 600 punches. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but that's Mayweather's best case scenario.
For Mayweather to win a decision, he's going to have to keep Pacquiao's accuracy under 30% and his output close to, if not, under 600.
Mayweather's defense is great, but from what I've seen, he isn't as untouchable against southpaws, let alone a southpaw with a great combination of speed and explosiveness, who can let go of a 5 punch body-head combination at the drop, as well as lead and counter.
He's switched up to a high guard against all the southpaws he's faced, that alone will make him more open than usual against Manny.
I beleive it was in the 2nd round, don't quote me on that but his knees buckled and his glove touched the canvas and was not ruled a knock down.
Maybe stunned, don't recall Mayweather ever getting hurt against Judah, and I've literally seen that fight about 20-30 times.
I can agree with some of this but when was he hurt against Judah?
I beleive it was in the 2nd round, don't quote me on that but his knees buckled and his glove touched the canvas and was not ruled a knock down.
floyd doesn't counterpunch against southpaws. watch every fight he's ever had against them he always tries to get off first because his defense is leaky against them. he also doesn't have the firepower or combo punching marquez has which allows marquez to halt aggressive fighters.
Excellent point!!!!!!!!
Pac's output would come down from the 1000s to mid-500 and then he would probably land 15-20% of that mid-500 all night.
Al thinks Pac wins a decision because Pac would throw is normal 1000s and then land 500, compare to Mayweather who would throw 550 most and land 40% (200 ish).. So but that is a silly way to judge.
Corley landed a few good shots and Judah gave him some trouble for 4 rounds before getting completely destroyed. It's just something Pac fans use to point out weaknesses in Floyd's game. In all reality Mayweather has only had 2 close fights in his entire career (Castillo 1 and DLH) but when you are that good people just have to nit pick to find anything (not to mention Floyd is just held to a completely different standard than anyone else). Meanwhile Floyd pitches a shutout against Marquez who beat Pac 16 out of 24 rounds and Pac fans somehow still conjur up ways that Pac is going to KO Floyd. You kinda just have to laugh at it really.
I will say this though, for a person of Al Bernstein's boxing background and knowledge to say something as ridiculous as Manny will throw over 1,000 punches against Floyd is just completely bizarre. Anyone who truly knows both of these fighters and knows boxing knows that there is literally NO CHANCE Manny gets 1,000 punches off against Mayweather. Pac only got off around 650 in both of his fights with Marquez. Just a completely ludicrous statement. One of Floyd's biggest strengths is controlling his opponents punch output. Someone please name me a Mayweather opponent who has thrown 1,000 punches against Floyd.
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I dont think the judges would like floyd against Pac. They would favour Pac. Floyd has looked good with his style against inferior boxers. But Pac is not like anything Floyd has faced, and Floyd probably thinks that as well.
Thats why he is very reluctant. But if he has decided he wants Pac, he will have been training for Pac for years now, and not the traditional 8 weeks before the fight. Pac has been fighting a lot, and that has given Floyd plenty of time to study Pac. Come on now, what else do people think Floyd does with his time? Dont let him fool you he can take years off and still come back similar to what he was.
All of his opponents were inferior boxers because he's the best boxer in the sport... and its pointless bringing up that "OH FLOYD HAS NEVER FACED SOMEONE LIKE PAC"... neither has Pac.
I somewhat agree with his premise, which is Pacquiao would win if it goes to a decision (although I believe Mayweather could win it if gets to that point too), but I disagree with why he thinks what he does.
When they fight, Mayweather will cut into Pacquiao's usual output by using a combination of footwork, feinting, and counter punching. Mayweather isn't going to just stand in front of Pacquiao and block (Clottey) or have to take 5 punches before being able to counter (Margarito).
The footwork, feinting, and counter punching will reduce Pacquiao's output to 600-800 punches. That 200 punch difference will make the difference in who gets the decision. It will be Pacquiao's quantity against Mayweather's quality, but the difference will be 100-300 punches, not 400-600.
2 things about Pac that absolutely baffle me are just how poor his defense is and how poor his jab is. NOBODY that gets hit 221 times by Antonio Margarito is beating Floyd Mayweather, not happening, not in this life time, not ever. Pac fans talk about how much he has improved since his fight with Marquez in 2008, bit it literally just isn't true. His jab is still trash, he still has miserable defense, he still lunges in, and he's still a counter punchers dream come true. I'm not being biased, but you simply cannot say from a technical standpoint that he has improved drastically.
that $hit doesn't hold weight anymore. even floyd doesn't believe that...that's why he demanded ost. if he thought pac is an easy fight like you do we should have seen that fight already without any demands and controversies. pac having a poor jab, poor defense and zero chance doesn't jive with ost demand.
Firstly, Why do people get upset when an analyst picks against their favourite fighters? Secondly i disagree with Al, How many punches did Pac threw against JMM (The only counter-puncher he has fought over the last few years)..
Pac would not throw 1000 odd punches because he knows he would play right into Mayweather's hand, And whenever he throws he leaves himself open for counters, That is the beauty in fighting a counterpuncher, Calculating how Mayweather would make Pac miss 600 punches out of 1000 is totally wrong lol.
Throwing less punches against a counter-puncher is a sure way to defeat. That is exactly how counter punchers want it, to make the opponent think he will get countered if he comes in so they throw less punches. The key to success against counter-punchers is to throw a lot of combos. A counter puncher can block/avoid two three combo shots but not an avalanche of punches. That is how to defeat floyd.
My opinion.
one aspect of the potential fight that intrigues me is this....
Floyd has gotten a little older now and relies heavily on "leaning" just out of range then blasting his counter right over the top....
Manny jumps in with his punches alot....especially behind a 3-4 punch combo that is started by his "weak" jab (followed by a straight left/right upperhook/left body shot).....
When this sequence comes to fruittion....I would love to see how Floyd adjusts/ Manny adjusts....that would be the key to the fight for me....
2 things about Pac that absolutely baffle me are just how poor his defense is and how poor his jab is. NOBODY that gets hit 221 times by Antonio Margarito is beating Floyd Mayweather, not happening, not in this life time, not ever. Pac fans talk about how much he has improved since his fight with Marquez in 2008, bit it literally just isn't true. His jab is still trash, he still has miserable defense, he still lunges in, and he's still a counter punchers dream come true. I'm not being biased, but you simply cannot say from a technical standpoint that he has improved drastically.
Thats exactly right and the fanboys cant see it because they can only see whats in their face on face value , they dont have the insight to be able to read form , all they see is Pac landing at will on a sloth lol , Floyd will cut Mannys work rate in half thats a given , they cant see the difference between Floyd and Mannys opponets and even from haters that amazes me , boy oh boy are they in for a shock , Floyd will beat Manny easily because his skills are too far ahead of Pac , Floyd has a slight size advantage and nobody smaller than Floyd will beat him , Floyd also has the range covered he will keep Pac exactly where he wants him because when Floyd fights long he has reach thats way out there , the biggest issue I see is Floyds inactivity and he aint getting younger , Manny is actually in a better position fight wise by fighting regular as they have been easy fights .
This goes beyond Mayweather's inability to fight southpaws. Mayweather himself knew a fighter with as much power and speed would be too dangerous at welterweight. He knew something many members here didn't when he avoided Pacquiao. Bernstein sees this.
If mayweather is unable to fight southpaws... Why did he adjust and win against all southpaws he faced?