I mean he was beaten by Duran at 147 and then later in his career he moves up to 160 and beats one of the greatest middleweights of all time. He then moves up to Super middleweight and Knocks out the reigning Light heavyweight champion Donny Lalonde.
Do you think something strange was going on, how does a former welterweight beat Marvin Hagler and then knock out Lalonde.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
The contracted weight is 167 :D
well below the Super Middleweight limit. David Diaz is a better win than Lalonde.
If you're insuniating roids then NO. It's dehydrating your opponent.
I don't think much came out of it.
Here are some articles about it.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19890609&id=qloNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zm4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6722,3035863
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1345&dat=19890609&id=pbcSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6vkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3285,1325961
I didnt know that. Floyd copied it from Hearns. damn it's not even original.
Hearns that kayoed Duran vs. Winky Wright that UD's Mosley
Leonard that beats Duran vs. Mayweather Jr. that UD's Baldomir
Hagler that kayoes Hearns vs. Hopkins that kayoes Tito
Duran vs. Pacquiao (135)
I just noticed your signature... a 2x convicted steroid user defending Manny.
PRICELESS.
Dude... NEVER change that sig...please.
:bukkake:
hahahahah
of course he knows it. He's in the best position to know who's roiding. uLOL.
Not gonna happen. Mayweather is about the money, wouldn't be smart to compete against Pacquiao although Shane vs. Mayweather would draw more PPVs then Pacquiao vs. Clottey.
That is very likely...but im betting againts it..
*IF and IF Floyd-Mosley get signed.
I wonder how much bitterness the Flomos have for Bernstein :D
Al Bernstein and Thomas Hauser
This article has a reference to Bernstein's article.
http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/mayweather-pacquiao-peds-and-boxing
These 2 are boxing's legendary entity along with Larry Merchant.
All we need to verify is Teddy Atlas and his Computer literacy. :D
and also if a few days is enough to flush it why refuse 14 days? Heck if im a user i'll accept it ang get away with it.
He just doesnt like to let Floyd get what he wants. Its too fuc_king simple.
However, now it is just getting extremely annoying, to the point where it seems to me that he just wants his name to be seen by people on ESPN. At this point all it looks like is a pathetic attempt at self promotion.
If Paulie wants attention, I suggest he himself take what he accuses Manny of taking if it is so easy to get away with, and star knocking out top welter weights.
Eksakli! Good Thread!
i heard its MJ's doctor who will do the blood test.
I think its possible that they wont do a random blood testing. They both agree to it but they probably wont do it. :D
The same MAB who lost to Junior Jones twice and who got ranked so high just for beating Hamed??????
That is a good argument if you will admit that you're an idiot. MAB was on a hot hot streak before Pac. And im pretty sure you're not aware of PAC-MAB fight when it happened.
His streak came of on ALL former of future World Champion in Tapia, Kelly, Jesus Salud, Enrique Sanchez, Hamed and Erick Morales. You're definately just boxrec this bullshit. You dont know shit outside of Floyd.
Mawalang galang na Kuya. Hindi ko alam kuya? Hindi ko naiintindahin PACTARDS? You make issue out of this but you didnt care when Nedal Hussein trained by Jeff Fenech went to the phils and had a Pinoy Ref Carlos Padilla give pac a long count in RD 4 of their fight? Or he didnt seperate the fighters in time? So pac can get his second win to avoid definite KO. The same pactards who almost had a puso attack because a boricua ref Joe Cortez might favor Cotto over Pac man.
OO the KD in the Barrera fight was not a KD. But it happens often as refs confuse slips with KD's its not proof of bias or anything.
It makes me laugh when people make it out that pac gets raw deals. I mentioned the Hussein fight and how about dalawa decisions in the JMM fights? Dont worry about pac his promoter is Bob Arum who has Malaking bayag and runs the sport. So i doubt he will get a raw deal.
Instead i think Roach should develop a plan to fight Clottey using more angles and going to the body as the straight left up the middle will be neautrilized by Clottey's armadillo protection up high. If Pac uses speed and boxing he will win but if he fights CLottey the same way as Cotto he will be in for a tough fight.
just answer me this pls.
Did you watch the entire Pac-Nedal fight or just the KD ? If you just watched the KD. pls watch the whole fight and post again.
I swear i also hated that performance from Padilla.
Its a big possibility that these guys follow just a single fighter or just got hooked with boxing recently..
That Chavez? againts the 2003 Barrera? WTF??!!! :spank:
Brooklyn Rican, El Castigador, guerrerosoul, joe90210, Loccy, markbnlv, Pretty Boy Greg, T3dBundy, The Great Shark
or they just plain hate Pacquiao :thinkerg:
Now the catch is of course that JMM will be the first Mexican fighter to win four titles in four different divisions. But that's only if Khan gets to have the priviledge of not vacating. Me personally, I don't think that a win over Khan and no other title holder that's viewed as tougher should put JMM over those other two and I like JMM a lot. The reason is Khan is not a good fighter at all to me. He got sparked out by a wild swinging Prescott who has lost a fight to an unheraled opponent since. So do you think that if JMM beats Khan it should be kept in perspective?
Now if you ask me how I personally have them ranked I have it like,
Morales
JMM
Barrera
The reason I have JMM ranked over Barrera is because he beat him while he was moving up in weight even if it was a little close, and he outperformed Barrera against three common opponents in Juarez, Pacquiao, and Peden. But the guy I have in the #1 spot is Morales. So really the title of my thread should leave Barrera out of it since I already have him ranked third, but I know of a shit load of people who have JMM ranked in last place between the three.
Now if JMM beat Valero, Bradley, or Alexander that to me is more impressive than beating Khan and I would have him ranked the best out of the three when it comes to all those guys. And if you already have JMM ranked over Barrera and Morales, you shouldn't really post in this thread. Not that your opininion doesn't count. It's just that this thread is directed toward people who already have Barrera and Morales out shining JMM in greatness.
Big argument for that one.
I'll have it like this
1a Morales 1b JMM
2. Barrera
Pacquiao doesnt care about bull shits like this. The only time he thinks about them is when Arum or his Advisers needs to disccuss it with him.
He's got Kids, He's got TV shootings, He's got Movie Shootings, He's got endorsement deals that he needs to take care of ( At least 10 endorsements) , He's got Politics (Some politician requires more then 12hrs a day), He plays basketball. He's on TV almost everyday...
Im sure he'll gladly kayo Mosley if Arum tells him that its the best option.
In 2004 in the same night
Manny Pacquio was 125 at the scales againts Juan Manuel Marquez
Miguel Cotto was 140 againts Lovemore Ndou
Difference : 3 Division, 15 lbs
Just over a year ago. In championship bouts
on March 2008 Pacquiao was 129 againts Juan Manuel Marquez
and on April 2008 Miguel Cotto was 146.5 againts Gomez
Difference : 3 Division, 17.5 lbs
:D
Just get the money and enjoy his kids. including that kid devon...
he dont need to look like an idiot like that. Schaeffer can take care of looking and sounding like an idiot.
I think Maybe back in the late 90's would have been a good match up, as both fighters were coming up on both sides of the water..
Styles makes fight is not applicable here.
Naz>>>>>>>>>>>>Barerra>Floyd
Maybe he got it from Schaffer.
on Mosley a roid user : We wont let any one treat Mosley like a cheater.
on Pac : We just want to make sure of an even playing field
:D
I got that quote from the main page on here. Yea that's true but he said it for cover. You must remember that Shane admitted to taking steroids right off the bat and Conte admitted giving it to him, Margarito kept denying it until the hearing date and Capetillo keeps saying the "accidently" ended up in his wraps.
what he said is very clear
"Whatever type of cheating you're doing, it's wrong. You should be banned for life."
and Shane Mosley is a cheater.
I mean, hes a great trainer and surely an improvement in the corner from his daddy. But seeing again how Shane fought Margarito, i see nothing different from when he fought Vargas. I believe Shane just knows how to fight certain fighters, especially those who come forward plodding away, have a slow jab, flat footed and fight from the front foot.
He didnt execute that well against Cotto because he expected a brawling Cotto, and found a quick jabbing Cotto...that also maybe wasnt his best night.
Thoughts?
I agree.
98% of the boxing world BUY the Margarito WIN. Marg is slow as SNAIL doesnt have the Jab. Mosley punches like a mule and if the target is a Marg a KO victory is very likely which what happened.
FLOYD via UD but still Shane has a chance. one GOOD shot can chance an entire fight.
Said it before, Ill say it again because I lost count on how many times all of you raging ****ing pactards said Mayweather ducked Mosley. The fact is that Pacquiao ducked Mosley, nothing your retarded brain says will change that fact. If you plan on stating how Pacquiao ducked Mosley to beat the guy that won a MSG decision against Mosley, dont bother because I dont know how clear I made it but this thread indicates one thing, and only one thing, Pacquiao ducked Mosley...
what a coincidental sequence of events....
MAY 18, 2009
JUNE 1, 2009
JUNE 5, 2009
July 17, 2009
..........and who do they fight next?
February 1, 2010
again 90% of what comes out of roach's mouth is either for mind games or promotion. If DelaHoya and schaeffer can do it then there's no problem if roach do it too.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100005131/roach-manny-pacquiao-will-fight-mosley-if-he-defeats-mayweather/