I wonder how many Floyd Fanatics will be laughing when that is Floyd laying spark out like that on May 2 ?? He who laughs last laughs longest don't forget
I know Wladimir Klitschko is an avid magician. I also heard ( i am not sure) that Muhammad Ali did some magic. Do you guys have any info on this?
Muhammad did indeed partake in a little magic. I witnessed him amaze some kids by making a handkerchief disappear, cut a rope in half then restore it to whole again then appear to levitate off the ground. Muhammad's religion prevents him from cheating anyone so after he'd finished he had to show them how the tricks were done.:wave:
I'm just curious to know what you people think about this.
Of course he will regret not fighting Paquaio , Margarito & a few others. His legacy is badly stained by his blatant ducking of both these fighters.
Don't get me wrong Floyd is probably one of the most natural God Given Talents ever in boxing BUT talent alone does not make a boxer an ATG. He also needs he heart & cojones of a champion. Sadly Floyd seems to lack both by his blatant ducking of anyone he considers a risk to his beloved 0
Floyd may well have beaten both Manny & Tony but we will never know now.
Even if he's lost to one or the other his legacy would STILL be far better that it will be now. Better a brave fighter who was beaten by a better man on the night than a coward who ducked purely so he didn't have to risk that 0
He will never receive the recognition his talents deserve his lack of cojones let him down:bottle::Flush:
Dya know whats going to be funny?? All you Floydettes predicting the end of Manny Paquaio eating crow pie. What ya gonna do when Pacman demolishes Rios & calls you out AGAIN!!!!! Floyd???? What excuse this time huh?? testing, $$$$$, Bob Arum ????? You've used all them Fraud Its time to stand up try to be a man, try to grow a set & fight a real challenger for once. Nah you'll probably retire again in tears :bottle:
There was no plaster? Nassem has said countless times it felt like a brick
Then take into account that Cotto 2 fights Prior took all of Mosley's bomb and there where plenty of them to take. And then Margarito who is a volume puncher not a power puncher starts landing punches around the 5th/6th round and withing a round or two Cotto is in bits.
Name another fight that resembled this fights end. Where the punches aren't hurting the fighter in terms of making his legs go, but just bludgeoning them.
He cheated and it obvious. Saying he used it for One fight is like saying Lance Armstrong only roided for one race....naive
Nazim LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What everyone chooses to forget is that the CSAC inspector watched Margarito's wraps applied, passed & signed off on them. If those pads were illegal why didn't he pick up on them?? Why wasn't he castigated? Then Nazim Richardson demands the wrap be removed, purely to get under Margarito's skin. Then he's alleged to have said BLOCKS fell out of the wrap then he changed it to plastic inserts. Like Dougie said when the pads were tested they were deemed harmless just used pads & not new ones. A technical illegality yes but loading his gloves???? C'mon get real
It sounds like he's just talking the fight up. I expect him to use his movement more carefully the second time around against Manny. Looking forward to the rematch, hopefully Tim can get a win clean this time.
All I'll say is Let the bet man on the night win with no controversy :boxing:
But with the judging we are seeing nowadays I wont hold my breath
Floyd needs to give Ortiz a rematch. Floyd must be pleased with the way he cowardly cold ****ed Ortiz & then had the gall to class it a KO win. Hell Floyd hit a totally defenceless Victor with as hard a combination as he could throw yet STILL!! couldn't knock Victor out. But we all know Floyd prefers beating on women anyway
emanuel agustus spent an entire career pretending to be silly.
Augustus was a very talented boxer. His problems were .....
1... He never had a manager or team that realized his potential
2 ... He could have been a champion if he'd only taken himself seriously
As it was he was a fight anyone, anywhere type of guy Many of his "losses" were really robberies as officials didn't like being made to look foolish. Actually today with some of the decisions we get the judges don't need anyones help to look foolish :dunno::sigh1:
Nah, the Pacquiao fight for me hurted the most. He took a pounding and was running for dear life. The Margarito lost hurted at the moment but once he got caught vs Mosley I knew he cheated vs Cotto too so it's just like it never happened for me.
Hang on Big.
1.... Tony Margarito beat the crap out of Miguel Cotto LEGITIMATELY!! He made him take a knee & QUIT!!!!!!
2.... Just what did Tony Margarito get caught doing against Mosely?? Have plastic inserts or plaster casts in his wraps as that liar Nazim Richardson claimed :liar:??? LOL NO all he has was a used gauze pad instead of a new one. The pad was deemed HARMLESS by the lab that tested it. To crown it all when the CSAC were asked to produce the pad They were so embarrassed that they claimed they had MISLAID!!! it
3.... In Cotto - Margarito II Tony fought with only one good eye for most of the fight & Cotto STILL could not put him away. In fact Tony started to come on & Cotto started to wilt so the crooked NY Doc decided to stop the fight. He stopped it to save Cotto the embarrassment of having to kneel in submission AGAIN!! not to save Tony's eye
4 ... Just learn to live with it & stop making excuses Margarito Beat Cotto LEGITIMATELY. He NEVER cheated:fing02::biggthump
5... Now Mosely - Margarito???? We ALL know Mosely is a proven steroid abuser
don't you think his superman performance against Margarito was suspect????? I know I do
I would dearly love to see Amir Khan put Punk Mayweather on his ass & out for the count.
If only to read the excuses the floydettes would come up with.
It's the double standard Dok. I know you're not a fan of inside fighting but that's normally Ward's whole game. One guy does it back and the ref threatens his purse?
Where was the point-taking in Ward's previous fights? Where's the point-taking in B-Hop's fights? Is it just a coincidence the likes of Reiss and Smoger step in when things are getting rough for them?
Yeah Reiss did a good job In taking care of Ward that is. Ward started the **** Holding incessantly rabbit punching. It wasn't until Rodriguez retaliated that Reiss jumped in & took points from both but STILL admonished Rod claiming he initiated it. Bad officiating:wank:
My two fav Floyd moments are....
1... When Tony Margarito confronted him Punk Mayweather peed himself he was that scared stuttered & stammered looking around frantically for his goons to protect his cowardly ass
2... When he "retired" in floods of tears saying he got no respect & nobody loved him. It was heartwarming to see Ellerbeee caressing & consoling him him like an old mother hen & her chick
Only bad part was Punk lied again he came back when the threat of margarito & Paquaio had eased:sigh1:
Floyd :wank:
Guys I knew Ike from the time he arrived in Dallas Tx from Nigeria. I watched Curtis Cokes transform Ike from a crude brawler to the near perfect boxing machine. To me Ike was the only HW out there that would have a chance with a focussed in shape Lennox Lewis
Ike maintains his innocence of rape to this day. He was coerced into copping a plea after being held under sedation for over a year. They promised him he.d be out boxing again in 6 months. Instead the woman judge gave him the max sentence 5-30 yrs. He was railroaded & any mental problems he may have were caused by keeping him under sedation like a zombie for so long.
Without doubt had he not called that greedy hooker that night he'd have been The undisputed HW champ to this day
williams has unfinished business with quintana. he had the chance of an immediate rematch with margorito but foolishly turned it down now he can wait his turn like all the other also rans lol
Wlad would have more chance of swimming the Atlantic ocean non stop than he would have of beating Ali. In his prime Ali could take both Klit bothers at same time & neither would lay a glove on him. Its like saying who would win out of Iron Mike Tyson & Pee Wee Hermann ROFLMAO
Cowardly Floyd was scared constipated of Tony Margarito. Just watch the video on UTube when Tony confronted Floyd. Floyd freaked out wet his pants. Floyds heavies had wandered off he was all by himself Shakin like a leaf ROFLMAO
What was there for Oscar to gain? fight an unknown fighter who holds the wbo belt at 147 or face the p4p best fighter of the time
no one can question Oscar about opposition....It would have made more sense if you said you said he should've fought Winky Wright around that time.
Oscar would have kicked Margos ass from pillar to post in 06-07
Hey just a minute I remember Oscar bragging he wanted the winner of Cotto-Margarito as his final fight to " go out on top" he said. Then he saw Margarito LEGITIMATELY make Cotto kneel & QUIT!! in submission after a hellacious beating & rapidly changed his mind. He wanted NO PART of Margarito. Instead Oscar tried to pick on little Manny Paquaio thinking he'd be easy WRONG!!!!! Manny kicked Oscars butt into retirement ROFL & made me a very happy fan
No one wanted to fight a 100% Margarito It took a juiced to the gills Mosely to beat a sick, weight drained , demoralized Margarito
Yes the Kirk Johnson I knew in Dallas was a very good boxer. What screwed Kirk up was the way he was robbed by academy award acting by John Ruiz & blatant corruption by Cortez. If you watch that fight again you'll see that the" Low blow" Ruiz cried about & Cortez claimed he saw, was indeed a legitimate scoring punch. Ruiz had been KO'd but instead got DQ'd Kirk lost heart after that
Answer this question.
Why would a win over a guy who was suspended, punished, and routinely lemented as cheater be something to be proud of??
Margarito is the same guy who lost the rematch to cotto when he didn't have the wraps that got hand suspended. Margarito is the guy who retired early after he could not used the wraps anymore that got him suspended.
Margarito is a disgrace to the sport is all his wins should be vacanted imo.
He is a very low piece of ****t. It makes you look bad for championing such a
******* fighter who cheated to get where he was in boxing.
Do you really watch & understand boxing??? I doubt it by the above post
1 You said it yourself Margarito was ACCUSED of cheating he was never proven to have cheated. He was banned because of a blatant lie by Nazim Richardson who claimed BLOCKS fell out of Margarito's wraps. What happened to those BLOCKS?? All that was really in there was a used gauze pad which was tested in a lab & deemed harmless A technical offense yes but an accidental action by Javier Capetillo
2 If Margarito is a disgrace to the sport while innocent how do you warrant Shane Mosely being allowed to keep fighting & be lauded as a future HOF inductee when he is a PROVEN & eventually SELF CONFESSED EPO steroid abuser. Any other sport & he would be banned for life like the other juicers
If anyone cheated in the Mosely- Margarito fight it was Mosely You only have to look at his none stop energy & punching then & compare it to when he fought Floyd when he had to be clean. He gassed in 3 rounds.
3 When Margarito met Cotto in the rematch he was not 100% because of his severely permanently damaged eye. Cotto knew this that's why he eventually took the fight. He targeted that eye several times he deliberately laced Margarito's damaged eye too. BUT He STILL!! couldn't put a fighter who had valiantly fought him for 8 rounds with one good eye away. Watch the end of the round Margarito is coming on beating his chest Cotto is wilting. Only then does the NY doctor decide to stop the fight. Not to save Margarito but to save Cotto the embarrassment of quitting AGAIN!!!!!!
4 You say all Margarito wins should be discounted huh How about all Moselys wins?? Mosely was a PROVEN cheat how many times did he fight juiced??? Not just the Oscar fight & Margarito I doubt very much
Of the two Margarito & Mosely Mosely is the one that is the CHEAT Shame on anyone campaigning & following a CHEAT!!!!!:boxing:
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They could not ban Margarito for life lol They could not even indict him because they had no evidence.
1 There were TRACE ELEMENTS of Calcium & Sulpher on the wrap. That means VERY MINUTE TRACES. In larger quantities yes both calcium & Sulpher are ingredients of plaster but they are also ingredients of HUMAN SWEAT !!!! also ingredients of hand cream
What I'd love to know is what happened to the BLOCKS that the LIAR Nazim Richardson claimed fell out of the wrap
Also the claim that the pad was HARD is also untrue. the pad was still soft & deemed harmless by the labs testing it 2 months AFTER the fight.
If anyone cheated that night it was Nazim Richardson for blatantly lying & Shane Mosely a PROVEN and self confessed EPO steroid abuser whose non stop energy & power miraculously improved from his last appearance. & his next appearance against Mayweather he gassed in 3 rounds.
C'mon do you HONESTLY believe Mosely only juiced for the DelaHoya fight???
Get real folks
From the 2004 biography,
he's ready to take his mother's advice of retirement, marriage, family and a new career as a global entrepreneur.
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Was that book written by Lennox?? No Try his official autobiography that one is authentic :)
Thinly veiled troll post!
LEwis was fast that evening, he personally performed very well. That statement was false. He was tired because he got smashed.
He did legit win, that's true.
Age wise he was near prime, condition wise he was near prime. His weight was nothing drastic, he was trained already for top-contender Johnson so no excuses.
Last statement was the worst. Lewis used the excuse that he didn't want to fight Vitali even BEFORE the Johnson fight, that he wanted clearance for his eye first, to which Vitali responded...
"All of the doctors have given me clearance... Lewis is ducking me now!"
Vitali destroys Johnson...
Lewis retires.
After promising rematch.
On the contrary, even though the fight was a technical loss for Vitali, I've never seen another instance in the 150 years of boxing where a passing of the torch has been done in such style! VK basically had the other boxer running for cover.
Lennox was barely 80% ready when he fought Vitali. One thing all you Lennox haters forget.... Lennox was ready to fight Kirk Johnson in a warm up match. Kirk pulled out injured. Rather than sabotage the card Lennox agreed to defend his world titles against his #1contender, Vitali, on a few day s notice. Now tell me one other world champ with the cojones to do that ?There isn't one. Lennox legitimately beat Vitali TKO 6
What else did Lennox have to prove? He'd beaten Vitali when barely 80% Wlad had taken to the hills scared stiff. Who else was there left to fight???
You say Vitali then beat Kirk Johnson? Big deal. Kirk took that fight purely for the $$$$$$$$ he was wayyyyy out of shape & didn't even try to win.
The Kirk Johnson I knew back in Dallas prior to his being robbed by John Ruiz & his buddy Joe Corrupt Cortez was capable of out boxing & beating Vitali
Lennox beat every man he faced in the pro ring there was nothing left to prove. He retired at the right time WTG Lennox
:lol1: Piss off Landa!
As IF Vitali retired because he was too lazy, he was in his 40's and had had 10 more fights than Lewis did too and there was also that little business in the Ukraine he had to attend to. The guy went out on a great note, not with a controversial win over the next great.
Which version of Lewis would have blew Vitali out exactly?
The further back you go, the smaller and less experienced the Lennox Lewis to use..
Vitali has ALWAYS been in great shape too, he simply isn't bodybuilt like Wladimir is which anyone knows isn't really necessary for boxing.
But you choose to forget that Vitali was a PROVEN steroid abuser. He got kicked off the Olympic team over it. If he was still using that could very well be the cause of his many "injuries" & lay offs
I feel Margarito has been exposed and his name does not mean much on anyone's resume but PWill's and Cotto's for different reason. PWill may actually have beaten a plastered up Marg and Cotto took years to recover from the Marg fight. Other than that, you really don't know how good Antonio was.
I know how good Antonio Margarito was. I met him when he fought & TKO'd the indomitable Buck Smith in Ft Worth Tx many years ago when he was virtually unknown. I am certain Tony Margarito NEVER loaded or even attempted to load his gloves he didn't need to. Ask Manny Paquaio like I did if Margarito hit hard?? Manny spent a few days in bed with damaged ribs after that fight. I guess you'll say Tony had loaded gloves then too huh?? ROFL
Only 2 people LEGITIMATELY beat Margarito since I met him back then One was a close dec loss to Paul Williams that could have gone either way. The other was to P4P #1 Manny Paquaio. The Mosely façade & the Cotto rematch were total bullcrap. Cotto couldn't put away a one eyed opponent Margarito was blind in one eye from round 2. Cotto had to have the crooked NY coc save him from the embarrassment of quitting AGAIN!!! :bottle:
Looking back I just don't see how a win over him would enhance his already considerable resume....the fight was being considered between 2006-2008 and before Mayweather retired, Margarito had already lost to Paul Williams, and Daniel Santos who are no where near floyds league
to add to this only held the WBO title and that's not much incentive when at the time Mayweather had won lineal titles at 3/4 weight classes he competed in.
His biggest win didn't come until Mayweather retired when he beat Cotto
All in all Margarito was never a great fighter, he did notch some good wins but this boogeyman that Floyd avoided isn't what I see.
Just another fighter who gained hype because his promoter kept bring up Mayweather's name
in retrospect, Is a win over Margarito more meaningful than wins over Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, Shane Mosley, Genaro Hernandez, Canelo Alvarez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, or Cotto?
Mayweather was offered $8 mil to fight Margarito he turned it down to fight the awesome Carlos Baldomir for far less. Tony Margarito was too big & too strong for Mayweather he would have walked straight through Floyd's pitty pat punches & demolished him. Laughing at Floyd as he did so.
Now lets put Margarito's record straight for you. Fair enough Williams won a very close debateable decision over Margarito. Tony immediately asked for a rematch. Goosen's reply was " Margarito is in out past not our future" He knew it was too big a risk
As for Daniel Santo both losses were due to BLATANT head butts which caused terrible cuts Santos should have been DQ'd both times.
Floyd was terrified of Margarito Have you seen that video on U Tube when Margarito confronted him??? I heard from a guy that was there that Floyd messed his pants in fear. Watch that tape & see Floyd stutter & stammer lol