Half of OP's post is from 2010
Manny Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, says the negotiations between him and Floyd Mayweather's handlers have ended and a final proposal has been sent to Mayweather for review and approval.
“It’s now up to Mayweather if he wants to fight (Manny Pacquiao),” Arum told The Bulletin in a phone interview.
SOURCE:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413655-arum-says-mayweather-pacquiao-fight-negotiations-completed
June 30, 2010
Corrales looked like a character out of Mike Tyson's punch out next to Floyd, lol. I'd slightly pick the Barrera win though because I hold Barrera to a slightly higher regard for how he dismantled the long reigning #1 feather in Hamed. No disrespect to Floyd's win - that fight probably had the highest number of experts picking against him than at any other point in his career and he showed up strong.
Antonio Margarito had only fought once at 154 before fighting Pac at 150, and the fight before that he was <146 at the official weigh in. So I don't think he was drained. I wasn't too annoyed with it because Pac did the appropriate thing after the fight and vacated the belt essentially admitting that he had no business in that weight class and wanted to get a 154 title on his legacy while proving he could beat a bigger guy (even ODLH had to come in at 145 as we all recall). I'd say it wasn't a horrible pick but it didn't really prove as much about Pac's ability to fight @ LMW as they tried to sell us on.
I personally think what Floyd did was worse. The CW was less annoying than the fact that Floyd didn't try to make the weight, which I feel he was plenty capable of doing. Ultimately, I doubt sincerely that it would have made a big change in outcome of the fight... still, Marquez clearly didn't look nearly as good at that weigh in as you'd have hoped. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's an overreaction but Usyk is definitely a great boxer and you can't put anyone above him right now. Even p4p.
The after fight atmosphere in NSB has a way of being overzealous.
It claim Fury was better than Ali :lol1:
:lol1: That does ring a bell
Yes, of course. Wladimir will be remembered as a fantastic champion and a true gentlemen outside of the ring.
Bro did you just bump a 9 year old thread to participate in a discussion that is no longer relevant? The posts in this thread were obviously basing their decision on much less information than we have now. Wlad is obv an ATG now.
If there was a heated "ATG" debate about Wlad 10 years ago I'm sure he's been cemented by now. Check thread date ya bozos.
Yeah I don't see anyway this could be a debate anymore. Wlad could very well be top 10 heavyweight of all time imo. Putting him anywhere lower than top 20 is a joke.
People like to point at the Parnell W fight, but he was heavily on coke/drugs and alcohol before the fight. His brother who was a fighter and in his corner said it in one of his interviews, that he had really short training camps because all the stuff he was doing messed up with his training. He was on top of the world and felt like he could do what ever he wanted. He thought no one could beat him when he dedicated himself completely.
Shiet, after the beating in the forums Pac received for his shoulder.. Why would anyone wanna be hearin this excuse. Did he mention it after the fight? No? Must've been made up by his advisor/promoter/trainer.
While I believe he may have been doing whatever drugs, that's his problem. Don't try to discredit JCC cause of that ****.
Why can't we put Pac n top 10?
You're free to have him however high as you wish, I just thought it was funny that this poll had a virtual consensus of Pac being top 20 with almost half top 10. Seems like a strong reaction to have after stopping Hatton, granted that it was a good win for him.
Personally I can see him being in my top 30 maybe top 25 even but I'd have to actually put together a list to say for sure.
Lol..... searched for whether there were threads on Pacquiao's rank as an ATG and got this gem. This was just after the Pac/Hatton fight. Almost 50% said top 10 looooooool
Wow. HAHA I forgot about the thread title.
:haha: It's the best part !
I remember we showed thread after thread about how Freedom did LITERALLY this same thing and WE were still called the biased ones.
Takes a huge heap of brain fookery to justify to yourself how this is ok.
Literally dtjmal's position is that if Mayweather didn't fight Mosley, he ducked him. But since he did fight Mosley and win, he fought a washed up bum and deserves no credit.
Either way he was always gonna use it against Mayweather. What Mayweather actually does is irrelevant to him.
PBF/Shane is the fight everybody wants to see...no more pbf excuses for avoiding fighting the ww champ....that is all
So easy to forget now how much in demand this fight was. Shane kicked Margarito's ass and they were begging Floyd not to "duck" him.
This thread is just proof of what everyone paying attention has noticed for years - people chide Floyd into fighting someone, call him a ducker until he does what they want, then when Floyd kicks their fighter's ass they have to rewrite the script and call the fight a bad one to make.
Daggum you are missing the point.
Unlike you, the TS felt Floyd/Shane was the match to make, even ahead of Floyd/Manny. So he called for it. Then when Floyd won, he then decided Shane was a past it bum that Floyd cherrypicked.
He then does same thing with Victor Ortiz-calling it a good matchup-only to call it a cherrypick years later.
Now its one thing if you said the fight was bogus from the beginning. It's completely different if you call for it, it happens 3 months later, and then call it a cherrypick simply because Floyd won.
I mean even you wouldn't do that. would you????????
Excellent post.
If you are one of the people who felt the fight was bad from the get go, then alright. But if you were saying it was the fight to make then you can't talk **** about the fight afterwards just because it didn't go your way.
Guy's calling it a cherrypick IN THE SAME THREAD he said he was ducking him and the whole world wants to see it
:lol1:
Claimed he's ducking Shane, identify it's the fight everyone wants to see, Floyd literally fights him next and you then say Shane was old and washed up.
That's the epitome of a flip flop. A no win scenario for a fighter that you are biased against.
Just funny really :lol1:
This thread made my day lmfao this is just bad
Even better that the thread title is "Please.... Stop Rewriting History"
:rofl::rofl:
Talk about rewriting history jeez
I can understand the GGG sympathy of the list makers given that the Canelo rematch falling apart had nothing to do with him but I think if we're being honest Loma is the guy right now.
Crawford will stay in the conversation but needs to take one of the elite names at WW to take #1
Mikey seems kind of high but I haven't thought through what my top 10 would look like so it's whatever. He's a very good fighter anyway.
When did Canelo shoot up so high? Maybe I haven't been looking at this list regularly enough anymore.
Canelo is the A side regardless of a belt.
People act like this A side thing is more complicated then it is. If you got as many PPV buys as Canelo you're the A side over a guy with as many PPV buys as GGG.
This is the unfortunate reality.
The IBF's belt is irrelevant to the A-side equation at this point.
Jacobs held the WBA world middleweight championship, the same championship Golovkin held when beginning his 20 defenses.
:lol1: at counting the regular title as a legitimate world title when there is a super title holder from the same org.
The super is the top recognition from the org. That is really what is the organization's world championship and the regular is just a paper champion.
Jacobs is one of GGG's best opponents to be sure, but let's not just go acting like his WBA regular should be held in high esteem.
Yep. Using the brook welterweight logic, if triple g faced Ward and Ward won, it wouldn’t count for Ward right
Difference there is that the fight was available when Ward was at 168 and GGG 160, which is a gap half as much as the one between GGG and Brook.
But if after a couple of fights at 175 GGG had moved up to 175 to fight Ward, I would have called it a death wish. You'd have to give GGG crazy props for doing that and winning, but it wouldn't have been the win of Ward's career.