Usyk fanboys are getting out of control

They are now calling him a top 10 HW of all time and likely beating any HW that lived, based on 7 fights at HW and beating up two overhyped UK fighters. Its comical. They are also trying to pretend his run at cruiser counts as HW compared to the 70s and that even Briedis would be a top 70s HW. Even calling usyk an ATG is too much imo for a guy with only 23 pro fights and a resume that is strong but not spectacular. These fan boys might overtake the Canelo ones. He cleaned up a very hyped era of heavyweight boxing. However, he is a skilled lefty with great feet, stamina, and quickness. I rated him in the top 9-15 heavyweights of all time.​

I remember everyone anticipating Loma’s rise when both became pro Usyk turned out to be the man Usyk has aged well he still has his legs fully underneath him at damn near 38 and he has one of the best engines in boxing. Endless endurance. Great recovery Even with what might be a glass body Loma messed up by signing with Top Rank. It's funny, if I'm not mistaken Top Rank really didn't want to sign Usyk, but in hindsight that was great for Usyk. It gave Usyk that freedom that Loma didn't have. Usyk was able to go about his business at Cruiserweight without people constantly criticizing his every move like Loma. I think that's what killed Loma's love for the sport. I still love Loma. Loma is my standard when I judge young fighters. Probably because Loma is the best young fighter (talent) I've ever seen, back at 2006 World Youth Championships. But Usyk reached that S tier level in the pros that not many reach. He can reach that "God" tier, that only a handful have reached, if he ends his career appropriately. Probably by beating Dubois-Parker winner (maybe even both), Opetaia, maybe even a Beterbiev (if Artur can beat Bivol again and the Benavidez-Morrell winner), Zhang-Kabayel winner wouldn't be a bad shout. I just hope he doesn't fight for too long. Father time beats everyone. Loma reached "God" tier as an amateur but probably only A tier as a pro. Loma can reach S tier if he becomes undisputed at 135 or 130; I'd love to see him go back down to 130 to end his career.

People are saying that Usyk can't be an ATG at Heavyweight because he's only had a few fights at the division. It's understandable, I guess... BUT in all 5 of his title fights at Heavyweight he beat a current or future World Champion. I was curious how that compared to other ATG Heavyweights and only 4 guys had more. Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson had 8 former/current/future world champs. Wladimir Klitschko and Joe Louis had 7. *Klitschko had 9 if you include Povetkin and Pulev for their WBA regular which some people don't. Tyson 8 in 10 wins Holmes 8 in 21 wins Klitschko 7 (*or 9) in 19 wins Louis 7 in 27 wins Individual reigns btw. Also, say what you want about Joshua/Dubois/Fury I would take them over some of the champions these other guys were fighting. Someone fact check me. I did it quickly but it's something I want to look at deeper for sure. Of course, not saying that's the end all be all, but Usyk has made his Heavyweight fights count. Other than his first two fights, I don't know what they were thinking because Matchroom had a deep Heavyweight roster at the time and they decided to waste Usyk's time with Witherspoon and Chisora (Chisora wasn't horrible in hindsight though). If he fights and beats the winner of Dubois/Parker, maybe even both regardless of what happens, that would be 6 or 7 for Usyk. Also, another thing I find funny is that people say Usyk doesn't have a long reign so they can't rank him high, but they refuse to rank Klitschko high even though he had a long reign at Heavyweight. Can't have it both ways... I posted this on a different thread but it probably makes more sense here. - - Tubby Lar who used to be skinny was only a single belt holder in a multibelt era, yet somehow never beat a fighter who won his title in the ring, actually losing to those fighters. Mike Tyson cleaned out the Giant Sucking Sound created by Lar after Ali, Frazier, Foremen, and Norton retired. In his last bout, a grudge match against Butterbean who made Tubby Lar mad because Bean was making more $$$ than Lar, Bean mocked him for running and ended up knocking Tubby Lar down in his last moment in boxing where after beating the count fled from the ref and Bean while riding the ropes to the next corner to prevent him from falling down while the ref was giving the count, a fantastical comedy video!!!!

Truth is, we won't know where Usyk ranks until he retires. Some people may be overrating him a bit, but others are underrating him for sure. But people are for sure overrating some of these guys from the past, like they always tend to do.They always look at the flaws and faults of the current guy but never for the guys from the past. As far as my opinion, I've watched a lot of these guys from the past and Usyk ranks really highly when it comes to skills. Maybe even the most skilled. Some people don't like hearing that for a current fighter but the pivots, feints, angle changes, educated lead hand, constantly changing levels, never leaving his head on the line, footwork, stamina, etc. The only thing this guy is missing is that devasting power. Usyk is as good as it gets, whether people like it or not. Usyk may be the most skilled IMO. Some may say I'm biased, he has been one of my favorites since I first watched him in 2008, but there's a reason why he's been one of my favorites... Now, that doesn't mean Usyk would have beaten every single fighter before him or after him, because styles and one punch could literally change the whole fight, but when it comes down to skill Usyk is as good as it gets. Usyk great gift to the boxing world bringing small man skills into the heavyweight division where they all are in love with punching power

Usyk will turn 38 next month. He's not in his prime anymore... What were other greats doing at 37/38? Also, Usyk was 19 when he fought Porter. If Usyk had turned pro at 19 he would have started at Super Middleweight. Would have made his run even more impressive. I remember everyone anticipating Loma’s rise when both became pro Usyk turned out to be the man Usyk has aged well he still has his legs fully underneath him at damn near 38 and he has one of the best engines in boxing. Endless endurance. Great recovery Even with what might be a glass body

Truth is, we won't know where Usyk ranks until he retires. Some people may be overrating him a bit, but others are underrating him for sure. But people are for sure overrating some of these guys from the past, like they always tend to do.They always look at the flaws and faults of the current guy but never for the guys from the past. As far as my opinion, I've watched a lot of these guys from the past and Usyk ranks really highly when it comes to skills. Maybe even the most skilled. Some people don't like hearing that for a current fighter but the pivots, feints, angle changes, educated lead hand, constantly changing levels, incredible chin, never leaving his head on the line, footwork, defensively responsible, stamina, etc. The only thing this guy is missing is that devasting power. Usyk is as good as it gets, whether people like it or not. Usyk may be the most skilled IMO. Some may say I'm biased, he has been one of my favorites since I first watched him in 2008, but there's a reason why he's been one of my favorites... Now, that doesn't mean Usyk would have beaten every single fighter before him or after him, because styles and one punch could literally change the whole fight, but when it comes down to skill Usyk is as good as it gets.

So you are comparing a 21 year old Ali to a prime Usyk? Know what Usyk was doing when he was 21? Of course you don't He was losing To SHAWN PORTER Usyk will turn 38 next month. He's not in his prime anymore... What were other greats doing at 37/38? Also, Usyk was 19 when he fought Porter. If Usyk had turned pro at 19 he would have started at Super Middleweight. Would have made his run even more impressive.

People are saying that Usyk can't be an ATG at Heavyweight because he's only had a few fights at the division. It's understandable, I guess... BUT in all 5 of his title fights at Heavyweight he beat a current or future World Champion. I was curious how that compared to other ATG Heavyweights and only 4 guys had more. Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson had 8 former/current/future world champs. Wladimir Klitschko and Joe Louis had 7. *Klitschko had 9 if you include Povetkin and Pulev for their WBA regular which some people don't. Tyson 8 in 10 wins Holmes 8 in 21 wins Klitschko 7 (*or 9) in 19 wins Louis 7 in 27 wins Individual reigns btw. Also, say what you want about Joshua/Dubois/Fury I would take them over some of the champions these other guys were fighting. Someone fact check me. I did it quickly but it's something I want to look at deeper for sure. Of course, not saying that's the end all be all, but Usyk has made his Heavyweight fights count. Other than his first two fights, I don't know what they were thinking because Matchroom had a deep Heavyweight roster at the time and they decided to waste Usyk's time with Witherspoon and Chisora (Chisora wasn't horrible in hindsight though). If he fights and beats the winner of Dubois/Parker, maybe even both regardless of what happens, that would be 6 or 7 for Usyk. Also, another thing I find funny is that people say Usyk doesn't have a long reign so they can't rank him high, but they refuse to rank Klitschko high even though he had a long reign at Heavyweight. Can't have it both ways... I posted this on a different thread but it probably makes more sense here.

Usyk could clearly hang with the top guys in any era. As previously stated, there were worse fighters who gave the greats a hard night. What I do find crazy is, if Usyk had been jobbed on the cards vs AJ, Fury, Chisora - then those small margins (chosen by the judges) wouldn’t have had people ranking Usyk in the top 3 let alone ATG rankings. People’s careers and legacy’s really do get screwed by bad judging/reffing. GGG not getting the win he deserved in his 1st fight with Canelo to become undisputed MW champ springs to mind.

So you are comparing a 21 year old Ali to a prime Usyk? Know what Usyk was doing when he was 21? Of course you don't He was losing To SHAWN PORTER I think Usyk was 19 when he lost to Porter. And that was in the amateurs, of course, and at MW, not HW, so clearly, he was not as physically mature or as experienced as 21 year Ali, who was already a pro world champ at HW. Did Ali lose any fights as a teenage amateur? Yes. Is that relevant when talking about his resume as a pro? No, of course not.

DAZN have Usyk in their top 10 ATG HWs list. He belongs there. What he has accomplished in just 23 pro fights is incredible. He is 12 - 0 in world title fights, all on the road. And yes, 7 of those world title wins were at CW, but the guys he was beating were as big as HWs in previous eras. Joe Frazier and George Foreman are also on DAZN's ATG list. They are both 5 - 2 in world title fights. At HW, Usyk is 5 - 0. The same number of world title fight wins as Frazier and Foreman, but with no losses.

They are now calling him a top 10 HW of all time and likely beating any HW that lived, based on 7 fights at HW and beating up two overhyped UK fighters. Its comical. They are also trying to pretend his run at cruiser counts as HW compared to the 70s and that even Briedis would be a top 70s HW. Even calling usyk an ATG is too much imo for a guy with only 23 pro fights and a resume that is strong but not spectacular. These fan boys might overtake the Canelo ones. Who cares…… change your pad and take a midol. The dumb topics on here. How old are you12?

I find that most drama and vitriol occurs with these nebulous rankings like all-time greats, pound for pound and mythical matchups. It's so hard to compare over time because nutrition, sports technology, etc both evolve (and sometimes devolve). Usyk would likely do very well in any era.

Usyk is the ONLY Heavyweight of the current generation I truly believe could hang with the elite Heavyweights of the recent past e.g. Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield & Bowe and throughout history e.g. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Frazier etc. Whilst I’m NOT necessarily saying he beats them all, he would definitely be able to give them a competitive fight and probably beat one or two which is still a great achievement for a career Cruiserweight. To put things in perspective, Usyk is at LEAST as good a Heavyweight as the better Klitschko brother (Vitali) who was up on all 3 scorecards against Lewis before a doctor stopped the fight due to an eye injury. Usyk is a GREAT f’ing fighter…put some respect on his name!Usyk is a great fighter but neither Fury nor Joshua are great Fury is a very good while Joshua is good the best thing about Usyk is he brings small man skills into the heavyweight division where most fall in love with power and do wild sht

Usyk could clearly hang with the top guys in any era. As previously stated, there were worse fighters who gave the greats a hard night. What I do find crazy is, if Usyk had been jobbed on the cards vs AJ, Fury, Chisora - then those small margins (chosen by the judges) wouldn’t have had people ranking Usyk in the top 3 let alone ATG rankings. People’s careers and legacy’s really do get screwed by bad judging/reffing.

Usyk is the ONLY Heavyweight of the current generation I truly believe could hang with the elite Heavyweights of the recent past e.g. Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield & Bowe and throughout history e.g. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Frazier etc. Whilst I’m NOT necessarily saying he beats them all, he would definitely be able to give them a competitive fight and probably beat one or two which is still a great achievement for a career Cruiserweight. To put things in perspective, Usyk is at LEAST as good a Heavyweight as the better Klitschko brother (Vitali) who was up on all 3 scorecards against Lewis before a doctor stopped the fight due to an eye injury. Usyk is a GREAT f’ing fighter…put some respect on his name!

You can't find it online anymore but Usyk couldn't handle Porters pressure style at all, which I strongly suspect would still be an issue in the pros if there were any quality pressure fighters at 200+, sadly there aren't Historically there's been many which is another reason I'm not ready to crown him goat Maybe you should dig up the Usyk fights when he was 13 years old, or do you have any records of him in 4th grade fighting on the playground that could help bolster your magnificent point.

They are now calling him a top 10 HW of all time and likely beating any HW that lived, based on 7 fights at HW and beating up two overhyped UK fighters. Its comical. They are also trying to pretend his run at cruiser counts as HW compared to the 70s and that even Briedis would be a top 70s HW. Even calling usyk an ATG is too much imo for a guy with only 23 pro fights and a resume that is strong but not spectacular. These fan boys might overtake the Canelo ones. - - At 200lbs and above, Usyk for his pro career has been fighting bigger Heavies by weight than Ali and Evander. Also endured more by volume and advancement Drug Testing, Of course U oracle more like gazing thru U carbuncle...yeah!!!

People in this forum are very given to hyperbole. That being said, I'm pleased to see Usyk FINALLY getting some credit. People have been crapping all over him for his entire heavyweight career and making up all kinds of ridiculous narratives. Is it so hard to just appreciate a fighter for what they give us? This era, and its relevance to his status as ATG, are far from settled and debates about a fighter's historical ranking are best saved for after he and his contemporaries have retired and the context is more fixed. Can we just appreciate that we've got a real heavyweight champion, undisputed in the most important sense of the word, who's also the ultimate road warrior, and has been the B-side for the majority of his fights, and therefore hasn't benefited from A-side corruption in his victories? We have several absolutely sublime fighters to appreciate in this era, and it's wild that there's guys out there who have to try to crap all over them. Maybe try being a little inspired and be even a tiny bit better version of yourself?

Usyk has a very peculiar shaped head, it's similar to Dubois Jelly bean head, but Dubois jelly bean head is vertical while Usyks is horizontal. I believe his skull shape means that his brain is in the "second chamber" of the jelly bean and that helps him take shots because the "first chamber" is empty.