everybody knows that Clottey has no chance!!!!!
A complete waste of time.....
Clottey has more than a chance....The fight is a 50-50 fight to me...I can't wait until the fight because y'all got Clottey f'd up...Watch the Clottey vs Margarito fight..Clottey was taxing that ass before he hurt his hand. Dont take my word go watch the fight...A complete waste of time? Are u serious? That's why we fight the fights
pac's top 5 atg
pacs' the henry armstrong of this era
pac's the ali of this generation
pac's the greatest southpaw ever
man,these are some of the few statements that came from the experts.........pac's the man!
Top 5 greatest of All Time...I digress everytime I hear this. No fighter in this decade is near the top ten of all time status.
Greatest Southpaw ever???? So you telling me Pac is better than Marvin Hagler and Pernell Whittaker...I digress even more
Pac's the Ali of this generation? Now this is total disrespect to Ali's career.
Not even going to get into the implication that he is the henry armstrong of this era.....this bandwagon and cheerleading is starting to make me digress
Clottey for sure is not going anywhere, and no matter what ppl think can hurt Manny he being much bigger than him and having underrated power.
Floyd will not go for the ko, or make any attempt to take out Manny putting himself in more danger than necessary....he just tries to win the fight, that was never more evident than when he let JMM make it to the end even though it was obvious JMM was no real threat to him.
Boxing is not about how tough or big u are. It's about skills. Clottey is tough and big but to beat Manny u most box, move, and counter. I do believe that Clottey will trouble Manny and possibly beat him. See that's the thing I kind of waver on that and it has nothing to do with Manny's abilities but more on Clottey as a closer.
Floyd don't need to go for the KO if he is winning the fight. That's his mentality and that's his style. But I do think that he would TKO Manny in the late rounds if they ever fought. It would come from an accumulation of punishment that Manny would suffer would being countered all night.
This is a more dangerous fight in my view than Floyd.....Clottey may have a lower ko rate due to inactivity in fights not necessarily than him being featherfisted.
More dangerous than Floyd? I will have to disagree. Clottey will be there right in front of Manny and that what he wants. He needs a body to tee off on. Now Floyd would move and make him miss then make him pay for his misses. That is something that his team definitely does not want. Just look at the fighters he has fought lately. They were aggressive stationary targets. He looks his best against them but against boxers/counterpunchers he digress.
I sure don't. If he does, then that means he's no better than Oscar and Arum.
Maybe it is because Cintron will be fighting at welterweight and Martinez is a jr. middleweight...Did u think about that?
Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright fight nothing like Floyd Mayweather. They also had size and strength allowing them to handle Mosley's own strength and the ability to mix it up with Shane that Floyd doesn't.
Shane can win because he is still fast, has great handspeed, will not be bothered by most of what Floyd throws, and will be able to outmuscle Floyd when he gets close. He is also an old pro that has seen plenty and faced tougher stylistic matchups than what Floyd presents.
Where was all this when he fought Ricardo Mayorga? Wasn't he still fast, with great handspeed..etc.etc..etc? Did u watch that fight? He was letting Mayorga outbox him...LOL...if that's what Mayorga call boxing...Seriously go back and watch Shane's last 4 fights...
That is true about Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright but Floyd don't need the strength he just needs to be able to counter which he is great at and he needs to control distance which is another thing that he is great at...Trust me..Floyd is going to neutralize all those looping punches Shane throws and Shane better stop throwing punches with his eyes close because he could end up getting off the floor
I can never predict Shane Mosley though, he is really itching for recognition. He wants to shock the world by beating Floyd. That kind of fire, after marriage breakup and being booed by the Mexican crowd made him do the unthinkable to Margarito.
Who knows what Floyd is up against...
Not to mention the fact that Margarito was tailor made for his style. Slow, straight forward, plodding, and no defense. He did not do the unthinkable. Margarito was never the monster they made him out to be. Go watch the Margarito vs. Clottey fight. Joshua Clottey was putting serious hands on that boy before he broke his hand in that fight.
Floyd doesn't have to have pop to keep Shane at bay. All he needs is accurate counters, and control of distance. What people fail to realize is Floyd's footwork is superior to Mosley's. Shane will not be able to cut the ring off. If he can't cut the ring off then he loses this fight.
It was bad prep for fighting Mosley, but if he wanted to see what skills he has against a lightweight, I guess the fight was useful.
I don't think so because the best preparation is done in the gym and Floyd spars with huge boxers when he needs to prepare for a bigger fighter. The Marquez fight just got him a good 12 rounds of moving, countering, and adjusting. What people don't realize is Floyd's footwork is going to keep him out of danger. Shane will try to corner him but he don't have the ability to cut off the ring so I really don't see this fight getting physical.
this is the main reason why i don't see floyd winning against pac.
The funny thing is this....Floyd does have to make more adjustments against southpaws. Most orthodox fighters do. He may struggle a bit but nothing troubling. On the other hand which is more concerning is the trouble Manny has with counterpunchers. Something he has not proven that he can make a significant or if any adjustment against. Just something to think about.
Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach has made no secret of the fact that bad feeling remains against Mayweather after he failed to agree a compromise of no blood test within two weeks of the fight.
"(Pacquiao) is disappointed the fight is not here," Roach told ESPN.
"Life goes on without Mayweather. He wouldn't agree to (a limit of) 14 days before the fight. We did our best to appease him but he wouldn't go along with it. It was a smoke screen for him to say no."
Freddie Roach must have forgot that Bob Arum said Mayweather offered the 14 day limit but Manny rejected it. That's Manny's promoter's exact words. Don't try to lessen the PR damage now after the fact. Had Freddie stated that clearly then maybe the public would believe it now,
I believe the split will be on the line of 70/30 Floyd. Mosley will agree to this because 30 percent of this fight would be his highest paycheck to this date. He will not argue about money because he is in desperate need of a big MONEY fight. Floyd holds all the cards. Mosley has never been a pay per view draw so his negotiating power at the table doesn't hold weight in the making of this fight. Floyd pay per views numbers alone will crush all arguments otherwise.
mosley himself said it and yet floyd lovers think the reason is something else lol
So if Mosley said the sky is yellow then we suppose to believe that too....Don't let your hate for Floyd alter your common sense
you gotta remember to floyd fans that mosley is a different fighter with richardson,
his style was ok with jack mosley sr but now he has develped his weapons a lil better and harder
He still paws with the jab...Nothing changed about that...He still throws looping punches...The only thing changed was the opponent he was fighting...Margarito made him look good because he is stationary and don't have any defense..Mosley threw bombs all night...It's just that Margarito was not able to weather this storm because Mosley has punching power...There is nothing special about Shane now...He was no different then he was when he fought Ricardo Mayorga...It took him 12 rounds to get him out of there when Oscar and Tito took less then 9.
Anyone know what glove size are they using? From what it looks like being Floyd calling all shots this gonna be a 10oz gloves.
Well if thats the case, heres proof of Fraud at its best to make sure an aggressive fighter wont be hitting him hard enough if he gets some lucky shots.
10oz Gloves = more chance of 12 rounds running and pot shotting for UD...zzz
Remember you heard it here first folks!
Are u serious? At welterweight u can choose your glove size...10 or 8 ozs. If 10 oz was choosen I don't see the problem..That mean they were agreed upon..If Mosley suppose to take Floyd out like he claims then it doesn't matter what the glove size is...He needs to just do it...The problem with that is everyone knows Floyd will outbox Mosley
what else but the usual ,run like hell.....
One thing...u can't win a fight running so he can't be running. Some say he is just a great defensive wizard but you have to land some punches to win a fight too.
Naazim Richardson and Freddie Roach are the 2 best trainers in the Buisness right now...
I don't think so. Naazim Richardson's strategy to beat Margarito and Pavlik was the same. That was because he had to fighters that were stationary, lacked defense, were not boxers in front of him.
The jury is still out on Naazim Richardson. He will definitely earn his money in the Mayweather fight because Shane will not be able to swim without getting wet. LOL. Shane will have to swim to keep himself from drowning in the deep waters he will be pulled in.
I highly doubt that. I really think it was part of Floyd's mind games plus he gave up alot of concessions and didn't want Team Manny think that he's giving in so he pushed for something that would make them look like winners in the negotiations, which unfortunately backfired.
Why would he throw away his ever biggest payday when he truly believes that he can beat Manny easily and he has the skills and the talent to back it up. He says, Manny would be one of the easiest fights for him. He just really blew it.
I'm really surprised because I think that PBF is one of the smartest man in boxing, in and out of the ring. The way he plays the "heel" or the way he promotes a fight is amazing. This guy works hard in promoting his fights. It's just not in him to be all of a sudden the moral voice of the sport. PBF fights for money and that's about it and I can't blame him for that.
Floyd blew what? He negotiated and the negotiation hit a snag, so what it happens in all fights. Floyd makes a minimum of 10 million every time he fights. That's right I said a minimum of 10 million. So to say he will be hurt I doubt it. He will get another fight and his guarantee will be guaranteed. Don't get it twisted. He wanted the testing and if he felt it was necessary then so be it. Maybe he was willing to walk away with his principles in tact. All money is not good money. He didn't say the hell with the testing so its probably not a promotional stunt. Floyd believes that Manny would be easy work for him and so do alot of other boxers, trainers, and commentators. They say it is a nightmare matchup for Manny. In all fairness of negotiation...if Manny's side can ask for a 10 million dollar weight penalty then Floyd can ask for extra testing.
schaefer and haymon begged floyd to make the fight but floyd refused.
Schaefer and Haymon begged Floyd and Floyd refused? Were u in the room when this took place or were u on the conference call line? I'm just asking. I guess taking another man's word for it is cool huh?
THE RING TOP 8 WELTERWEIGHTS
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Shane Mosley
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Joshua Clottey
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Andre Berto
8. Luis Callazo
Give Manny props for fighting a legit top 5 WW.
Since pac-floyd cant be made. I think clottey is the best opposition now for pac. no.3 and no 7. is fighting this month, he just TKO'd the no. 4 guy, no.6 is not eligible to fight yet. So between no. 5 Clottey and no. 8 Callazo? Clottey is the better opposition.
How could Pac be number 1 and he's only fought one welterweight? Cotto-true welterweight but made to fight at a catchweight..I guess I can give him that. Oscar was coming down from 150(Stevie Forbes fight) and hadn't campaigned in the welterweight division in years...so I can't give him that. Hatton was a 140 pounder so he can't get that either.
Mosley is the true champ. He has fought and beat more welterweights then Pac. Pac is new to the division. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Finally, a Mayweather fan who finally saw the truth about Mayweather Jr.
Good for you. You're a true boxing fan....not a Flomo.
He probably was never a true Mayweather fan in the first place. Dissing Mayweather makes him "a true boxing fan" now. LOL. u guys kill me
Lol. On this whole matter, all you have is another mans word! It's funny how it's ok for you and the rest of your sheep to run with every statement Mayweathers team puts out.
And then all the articles with mysterious "anonymous sources"? GTFOH!
First off, I never said I was a Mayweather fan. My alliance is to the sport of boxing. I had a legitimate question. No bashing or hating. Mayweather nor Pacquiao pay any of my bills so what they do or don't do have no effect on my life. So many of u get caught up in this bs like ya'll are losing some money or something or your legacy is on the line. Now u GTFOH!
lets be real here,Mayweather fought a 35 year old Oscar and managed a split decision,Thats just the facts.
Punchstats Total Punches
De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 122 207
Thrown 587 481
Pct. 21% 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 82 138
Thrown 341 241
Pct. 24% 57%
2007-05-05 : Floyd Mayweather Jr beat Oscar De La Hoya by SD in round 12 of 12
Location: MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
Well by looking at the stats and watching the fight...it didn't look like a split decision to me. It looked like a boxing clinic being put on. That's the facts.
Hard to argue with his logic.
If I was P4P #1 accused of taking steroids I'd be insulted as fck. Especially when the claims are unsubstantiated.
From an objective point of view:
If the P4P#1 fighter was going to fight P4P#2 fighter, but the P4P#2 fighter thinks the P4P#1 is on steroids and won't fight unless he gets rigorously tested, I'd think the P4P#2 fighter is making shit up because he's afraid to fight.
Afraid of what? I'm hearing the dialogue but don't see the substance. The logic is flawed also. I see it this way...If Manny agrees to the testing then the fight is a done deal. So tell me how Floyd is scared then? He will have to fight. This is boxing not sky diving.
Proposing a fight as early as March of 2010 sounds very much uncharacteristic of Floydweather. It was obviously a bluff. And now he's trying to find a way out.
It can't be much of a bluff. If manny agrees then its a done deal. Now if he comes back after that then says something else then his bluff would be caught. I suggest Manny agree then prove that Floyd is just bluffing and is a coward. Sounds logical to me since everyone thinks Floyd is scared.
Certified Flomo pretending to hate Floyd in previous posts.
ANyway, its not like Floyd to be quiet all of a sudden. Something is surely wrong and that is his tremendous fear on Manny
What reason does Floyd have to fear Manny? Everyone keeps saying that but I just can't see why. Maybe if Manny could actually box then I would consider that but since he can't then I digress. I'm a fan of boxing not one individual and from what I see from a skill level..Manny skills don't compare with Floyd's. (All the homosexuals references y'all spew can't take away that reality). Manny can get as mad as he want to but once he gets into that ring...he knows whats going to happen...Freddie Roach knows whats going to happen...Dr. Mayweather will check him into his boxing clinic to introduce him to Advance Placement Defensive and Counterpunching skills. Once the class is over the payment is the WBO welterweight title.
Mayweather is quiet because he knows he is holding a full house. Manny has already showed his hand. He folded as soon as he refused to take the test because of superstition. A bad move in a game that is playing for high stakes.
tupac was asked to take an aids test to do a movie with janet??!!for no reason ...he feels like he was being singled out so he refused to take it...its not like he has anything to hide...but he refused becasue it was unfair and unneccesary to do the test just for him...any other actors would be fine but him!!..hmmmi can understand how manny feels...
Actually what 2pac said was he disagreed with it just to do a simple kiss scene but if they were making love ar something in that scene then he would. So if Manny and Floyd was slap boxing then that would be cool but since they are in the hurt business I think the testing should be considered.
the big question is HOW? by jabbing and potshotting in between backpedalling and running? that must be it, yes, i believe so. thats the only way he can win. toe to toe? nah forget it. cowardice nowadays means "ring smart". the cliche hit and not be hit is just that an excuse for not engaging. people like in the olden days of the gladiators want to see blood, want to see who is made of harder stuff, who will remain standing when the final bell toll. they dont want to see guys sweating from jogging around the ring only pu**sies and Fugs like that. thats why the popularity of MMA, people is going back to boxing because of the styles like pacman's. peopla want to see bloodied combatants. they dont want to see the shoulder rolls, they had enough of that. theyve realized its not worth their money.
Toe to toe battling is not boxing. Boxing is a science. The less punishment you take the longer u get to keep your senses. That's exactly why Floyd don't leave the ring with busted ear drums or have to have his ear drained for that matter. You have to be smart and pick your shots and don't leave an opening for your opponent. I personally don't want to see who is made of harder stuff but I rather see who is made of smarter stuff. It's like a chess game. If u can't impose your style on your opponent then its checkmate. That's why everyone wants Floyd to stand and trade because the world knows Manny can not impose his style on Floyd. Floyd is a natural counterpuncher so Manny's all out kamikaze style plays right into what he loves to do and that's counterpunch. You can't punch and block at the same time. If Manny throws a 5 punch combination then he is open for 3 to 4 counters. If that's what Manny gives Floyd then that is what Floyd takes.
I agree with that i think Freddie Roach (all tho he is an annoying cunt) being in Pac corner is a huge + for Pac
Freddie Roach knows Manny's in trouble when he steps in the ring with a straight shooter like Floyd. All that jumping in and out will not work with Floyd. Floyd's jab with the 5 inch reach advantage will keep PAC at bay and confused. It's a fact that he doesn't know what to do when someone jabs. It stops his attack so he has to reset. If Floyd boxes then it is a complete mismatch. If Cotto's jab and so so boxing skills had Manny guessing then u can pretty much figure out how clueless on fight night against floyd he will be. Pac reminds me of Prince hamed with the big calves and power in both hands while throwing from weird angles. When the prince met a real boxer we all know what happen.