Does Floyd have a stylistic vulnerability to southpaws?

I was watching his fights with Corley and Judah based on my notion that the shoulder roll leaves a blind spot to the right hook, and leaves an angle open for straight lefts. I had forgotten, but Floyd got hurt by both straight lefts and a right hook against Corley. He also was flash KD against Judah on a right hook. I think he was hit cleaner and harder by southpaw punches than I have ever seen him hit by orthodox. his shoulder roll is meant for an orthodox fighter. his last loss in the amateurs apparently came against a southpaw, and he had hairy moments against corley and judah. thats why i believe pac has a great chance in defeatng floyd, he has the speed, power and style.

this is the main reason why i don't see floyd winning against pac. The funny thing is this....Floyd does have to make more adjustments against southpaws. Most orthodox fighters do. He may struggle a bit but nothing troubling. On the other hand which is more concerning is the trouble Manny has with counterpunchers. Something he has not proven that he can make a significant or if any adjustment against. Just something to think about.

this is the main reason why i don't see floyd winning against pac.

Why don't you make a topic about it instead of getting butt hurt at the mere thought of Floyd having any kind of flaw.

I said the same thing about the right hook and alot of people didn't touch up on that subject. I made a specific thread talking about how Jesus Chavez landed a bunch of right hands over the top, and it's easier for a south paw to land that. Then again, Mayweather's plan was to allow Jesus Chavez to come in. Also, being shorter then Mayweather is very beneficial, especially considering Pacquiao's foot speed. Pacquiao's punches come from under so it's very unexpected. A good example is Sergio Martinez against Paul, Sergio would dash in, bend his knees and throw his punches from under and Paul couldn't see the right hook. It angers me that people don't pay attention to that and are so stupid to say "Pavlik lands those kind of punches and he stops Paul". In a possible match up, I tend to look at everything and then come up with an idea. Good post.

I think that goes for a lot of fighters who rely on the Shell. Yeah, Mayweather seems more likely to get hit by a southpaw. Thats probably part of what makes a Mayweather-Pacquiao showdown so interesting.

I'm not saying Floyd's easy pickings for Pacquaio. I am saying Floyd has an apparent susceptibility to a right hook and a straight left from the southpaw stance, and Pacquaio throws those two punches with speed and KO power. I said the same thing about the right hook and alot of people didn't touch up on that subject. I made a specific thread talking about how Jesus Chavez landed a bunch of right hands over the top, and it's easier for a south paw to land that. Then again, Mayweather's plan was to allow Jesus Chavez to come in. Also, being shorter then Mayweather is very beneficial, especially considering Pacquiao's foot speed. Pacquiao's punches come from under so it's very unexpected. A good example is Sergio Martinez against Paul, Sergio would dash in, bend his knees and throw his punches from under and Paul couldn't see the right hook. It angers me that people don't pay attention to that and are so stupid to say "Pavlik lands those kind of punches and he stops Paul". In a possible match up, I tend to look at everything and then come up with an idea.

Good video, and yes Floyd adapted, but the blind spot remains.

Perhaps not stylisticly but from lack of experiance. Floyd has fought less than half the southpaws than anyone else on the lb4lb list in the last ten years. Perhaps he prefers not to fight them and that is his choice but the only way to get better at it is by doing it. Floyd just has chose not to.

I think the Southpaw thing with Zab was the bigger problem or the combo of the 2 but Zab's speed is different than Pac's speed. I think Zab's speed is harder for someone like Floyd to deal with because he's going to pick his spots and then throw a lazer while Pac will be letting his hands go alot so that shit is easier to defend to me In the bold, couldn't have said that better.

they did not give Mayweather problems.... do me a favor...please rewatch the fight and let me know what rounds Corley and Judah landed CLEAN/Crisp punches on Floyd... also...answer my Question... WHO had more "STYLISTIC" problems.....Mayweather with Corley or Pac with Marquez? Who got hit cleaner by their opponent throughout the fight? :Thinkingo ? How about you rewatch the fight and tell yourself. Also, Pac had more trouble with Marquez style. You trying to change the subject?

wait wait DS... Mayweather didnt outbox Corley and Judah? :poke: If Zab judah landed in single digits in 10 of the 12 rounds in the fight...how is that NOT getting outboxed? No, not from the outside. He pretty much went in on Corley, Judah and Mitchell.

First of all, Zab Judah gets underrated alot. He has all the tools but he isn't so strong mentally and tends to fold under pressure. Still what Judah did in the early rounds was great stuff and Pacquiao doesn't set up those kind of traps. Infact, Pacquiao rarely sets up his punches but that works to his advantage. You have to understand though, Mayweather didn't respect Mitchell/ Corley, Mayweather was in there to take them out. Against Judah, the shoulder roll wasn't as effective, but Mayweather adjusted and switched to the high guard...then he took over. As crazy as it sounds, the reason why I view Pacquiao as a serious threat is because I've never seen Mayweather outbox a south paw. I think the speed and pot-shotting of Judah was annoying to Floyd at times, but on technical terms, I think Judah was especially effective at brushing Floyd off with counter right hooks(when he used it). I agree with your assessment of that fight. I also agree that Mayweather was disrespectful of Corley and Mitchell, but I just don't see those punches land from orthodox.

First of all, Zab Judah gets underrated alot. He has all the tools but he isn't so strong mentally and tends to fold under pressure. Still what Judah did in the early rounds was great stuff and Pacquiao doesn't set up those kind of traps. Infact, Pacquiao rarely sets up his punches but that works to his advantage. You have to understand though, Mayweather didn't respect Mitchell/ Corley, Mayweather was in there to take them out. Against Judah, the shoulder roll wasn't as effective, but Mayweather adjusted and switched to the high guard...then he took over. As crazy as it sounds, the reason why I view Pacquiao as a serious threat is because I've never seen Mayweather outbox a south paw.

Also, as Weebler pointed out, you are being extremely defensive about this.

YES corley landed some punches....yes judah was fast for 2 rounds but in the end both of them were dominated clearly and NEVER at any point of the fight were they in control sheeesh....Mayweather gets hit clean a few times out of 40 fights and you guys go ape:dance: I never said they were not dominated. I am speaking purely on technical terms, the mechanics of their stance and style, and I am not talking about skill or winning or anything like that. I am addressing the fact that the cleanest, hardest punches Mayweather has taken have been straight lefts and right hooks from the southpaw stance. THAT is my argument. As a whole, Castillo gave far more problems to Floyd then the southpaws, but that does not change my point.

YES corley landed some punches....yes judah was fast for 2 rounds but in the end both of them were dominated clearly and NEVER at any point of the fight were they in control sheeesh....Mayweather gets hit clean a few times out of 40 fights and you guys go ape:dance: At the same time I think you're being over-defensive, it's ok to admit the fights were competitive, it doesn't have to mean Floyd was being dominated just that his opponent was good enough to cause problems. The Cotto/Pacquiao fight was competitive for a while too, but ultimately there was one winner in that one as well.

Mayweather doesn't throw many punches as JMM so no comparison. Floyd is still 10x better than JMM in every catagory so Pac's punch output will drop, he will by way harder to hit than anyone he's fought when he does throw. Most of all though, Pac's still and mistakes will allow Floyd to let his hands go alot. He will give Floyd mad openings and Floyd has the best reflexes in the game. He'll eat that shit up all day when Pac gets sloppy, lunges, or drops his hands after his combos. Also, you saw JMM couldnt let his hands go as much as normal against Floyd and when he did, none of that shit was landing and he's a very accurate cat who is mad techniqal

what slow fighters have hit Floyd? He dont hardly ever get hit clean. Who has rocked him? He only was rocked by Chop and maybe like 1 kinda time by Zab. Thats 40 fights. If you want the triangle then look at Pac vs JMM and imagine if that was Floyd. The bottom line is that Floyd is so good that people arent use to seeing him get hit at all so when he does then everyone overreacts. The truth is that most people gave Floyd every round against Chop and he dropped him twice. The only round that was up for debate was when he got caught by the big punch. That punch wouldve KO or dropped pretty much every fighter in boxing and he took it and alot of people still think he won the round. Dont forget, that was also like a fluke event. Floyd swung, missed, and then swung right back with his other hand at the same exact time Chop was swinging and got beat to the punch. That shot knocks guys out all the time. In the Zab fight Floyd adjusted after the 4th and never came close to losing another round the whole fight but people act like he had mad trouble. I think Zab's style is actually harder for Floyd than Pac's is because Zab is more of a pure boxer and waits & throws darts or lazers Mayweather doesn't throw many punches as JMM so no comparison.

#'s dont lie.... Judah was 89 of 485 (18%) ...if you call that a stylistic problem then you need to rewatch the fight... how can a guy from rounds 3-12 land less than 9 punches per round equate to imposing a problem on his opponent?:poke: You are really dense. Are you even able to speak on technical terms, or is it all numbers?