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Ok...So lets look at it this way. Was Pacquiao testing himself when he fought the SAME Ricky Hatton that Mayweather fought? Only not undefeated Was Pacquiao testing himself when he fought the SAME Delahoya that Mayweather fought? Only Drained Was Pacquiao testing himself when he fought the SAME Shane Mosley that Mayweather fought? Only OLDER and drained See all of this would normally be ok, but when you are trying to stick up for 1 boxer, but the other boxer fights his leftovers it's kinda hard. If Mayweather is a CHERRY PICKER...than Pac must be a SUPER cherry picker.

Lol, just like a Pactard would do....oh now all of a sudden you don't wanna see the fight??? Thats because you FINALLY came to your senses, Pacquiao would have always gotten a MASSIVE asswhooping by Floyd, maybe even worse 3 years ago, because he was more ruthless in rushing in. Face it, Manny could NEVER beat Floyd, he just was a super hyped fighter, that people ran along with, simply because atlest it wasn't a BLACK guy running boxing anymore.

None of that matters if the fight doesn't happen. Pacquiao has the better resume and the most accolades and will go down over Floyd. Floyd may not even be #2 for the era, i think Hopkins has a very good argument for that spot. And by the way, i'm no fan of Hopkins before you claim i'm writing stuff thats "biased" again. Dude, when REAL boxing historians sit back, and look at Pacquiao's resume, not those guys on ESPN on Arums Payroll, not those guys on Roachs payroll, but when true legendary figures, such as Teddy Atlas and etc... Pacquiao won't even be a TOP 25 ATG, in which Mayweather will be.

Come on now. All I like to see is the best fight the best. Well if you wanna see the best fight the best, has Pacquiao been disappointing you?? But doesn't matter, everyone now knows that Pacman is NOT the truth anymore.

:lol1: Atlas is embarrassing and people with real knowledge of boxing will tell you that. Now, it's clear that you are still but hurt over Floyd beating your country man Ricky Hatton, now talk about a BUM, the same BUM that Manny fought.

:lol1: Atlas is embarrassing and people with real knowledge of boxing will tell you that. See most Pacfans didn't even know who Atlas was before he started trashing Pacquiao, just LOOK at the youtube comments...they are like WHO is this guy. Well you wouldn't know who he is, if you have NOT been watching boxing since 2007. Also Max Kellerman is a guy that Pactards at one time worshipped like he was GOD, but lately he's been blasting Manny, and Pactards no longer like Kellerman.

Yes, he looks much better than the version that Floyd fought. Now can we really blame Floyd for Marquez not showing up in the best condition possible?? No we can't. But yes, he looks 3 times better than the version Floyd fought.

I agree, he is like a solid B level fighter. Martinez will destroy him in KO fashion if and when they fight......we all know that he will weasel out of that one too :boxing: I think he already did. Martinez was asking for a fight, and he made up every excuse NOT to fight him. I clearly see him as the KING of ducking, I hold no one above him.

which is actually good. he aint doing what floyd is doing cherrypicking fighters. Sadly, I see Floyd putting a massive asswhooping on a prime Pernell Whitaker, sorry lol, couldn't help but notice the picture.

So why is it called DUCKING for some fighters, but being protected for some fighters??? To me, eitherway I think you are trying to run from a asswhooping.

Oo ok, lets say he is being PROTECTED..What would he win by this?? A undefeated record?? He surely won't be known as a ATG.

Bad for Floyd, people would then say that Floyd waited until Pacquiao slowed down before fighting him. If Pacquiao barely wins or it goes the distance, still bad for Floyd.

protected would be the term i use. he aint a ducker the way floyd is. Protected???? To me it is ducking, he never fights anyone worth anything. Sorry, but even with Ceasar being a MW, he would never even step in the ring with a small WW as Victor Ortiz.

Amir Khan is just under pressure from Roach to change his story.

Why was HBO acting like Pacquiao was the only guy in the ring? After watching the fight, they only talk about Pacquiao 90% of the fight, as if he is sparring or airboxing or such.

Or old, feminine, not great opponents like Floyd's adversaries. B-HOP resume >>> Floyd's resume Bhop is a legend...Lets try this....BHOPS RESUME >>>>>> PACS RESUME

Yes, and that's Floyd Mayweather, which is why I believe this fight destroyed the hype in the super fight. Now styles make fights, but Pacquiao will be easily outboxed.

Pacquiao = hypejob

Here's my prediction for actually what is going to happen this year in boxing with people relevant to May-Pac. January: Ortiz-Berto II, Alexander-Malignaggi February: Mayweather-Martinez April: Bradley-Morales (The WBC already said Bradley would get the first crack at Erik, and if Pac-Bradley doesn't happen, that will). May: Pacquiao-Marquez IV Bet on it. Arum, Pac, Ariza, Roach, all said they want to fight Marquez again, and we all know that Manny said Arum calls the shots. Mayweather vs Martinez? Heh?? Ok so around what weight will this fight be at?? Because we all know that Mayweather could NEVER get away with Pacquiao can get away with. If Mayweather says that he wants Martinez at 150 then people will say you drained him, if Pacquiao fought Martinez at 150 then he would get props for it. So Mayweather must be fighting Martinez at 160+?

Well to the person who said Boxing does not need PPV's, so Pro Wrestling and MMA do need PPVs? Yes, I will order some PPV's, I would have ordered Haye and Klitchsko for a cheap price of 19.99 or 24.99. I ordered May vs Ortiz and it was ok, wasn't totally disgusted. I am lucky I never have ordered a Pacquiao fight, I wanted so badly to order Pacquiao vs Clottey, Margarito, and Shane a little bit, but something told me not to and BOY was I right.

I believe that Pacquiao uses Arum as a fallback. That way he can never be blamed for the picking of his opponents.

Pac is all hype, and if he does beat Marquez cleanly next time, he still won't get credit. What is he gonna do next? Wait until Marquez is 42?

I see Sergio Martinez also, even Sergio or Amir Khan, Floyd has no one else left that he could fight, he would get 0% of credit for fighting Devon. Berto and Ortiz might be fighting in January. So I can only see 2 options, and thats Sergio or Amir.

Now they're deflecting attention off Manny:rofl: Exactly, they gotta learn to take the good with the bad.

Nah, this sounds like Manny Pacquiao's next plan, and to tell you the truth, Pacquiao could get away with it, nobody would say **** about it especially ESPN because they fear Bob Arum.

Sergio Martinez, come on stop with the game playing, there is no other BIG fight that can be made at MW at this time that consist of Cotto nor Martinez So I will accept Martinez, or even Canelo.

Kirkland BULL****, Williams, BULL****...Sergio Martinez vs Miguel Cotto. A win against Sergio Martinez would easily but Cotto back in the top 3 P4P.

Floyd told "his promoter" to make the fight happen. Did Manny tell his promoter to make the fight happen? Or is Manny saying "whatever my promoter wants"? Hey dude, Pacquiao tried to make the fight happen with the suppose great defensive fighter............... CLOTTEY

Hye man, I think are one of the more objective Pac fans (you don't seem like a Pac lover, there's a difference) on here, and I commend you for that. It looks like it's Pac's side that's been avoiding the fight, I think mainly because Pac does what Arum advises he does. It's sad, but it's becoming more and more evident by the day, especially with Monday nights revelation. I thought Pac would steamroll Marquez last Saturday, mainly because he'd been dominated at that weight over 2 years ago by Floyd and because he's past his prime and not even THAT good anymore. Marquez' prime was 1999-2005, and from 2006-2009 he was past prime-still good. In 2010 and 2011, Marquez looked slower and less fluid with his movements. He was getting beat by Diaz on the cards, but eventually KO'd him to win, and he was dropped by Katsidis, a guy that doesn't even belong in the same ring with him. He wasn't what he was even 2-3 years ago, but somehow he pulled out a gutsy performance against Pac, and I scored it a draw. Could have gone either way, no robbery. Also, now way no how was Mosley a better choice of opponent than Berto, after Mayweather dominated him and he looked god awful against Mora. There's no way Pac should have fought Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley instead of Berto. Berto was unbeaten, in his prime, and a champion, the 2nd rated WW since Floyd was inactive. That's why Ortiz was a good opponent for Floyd, because Ortiz had looked good beating Berto by UD, so no one can seriously fault Floyd for coming off 16 months and beating Ortiz, in his prime, coming off 5 straight wins (one over previously unbeaten Berto) and a draw he should have won over highly rated Peterson. Pac should have fought Berto instead of Clottey and Margarito in 2010. I still think Pac would TKO Berto in 8-9 rounds, mainly because Berto isn't quite slick enough to avoid Pac, and he leaves himself way open when he trades, and Pac would probably catch him at least once or twice in 8-9 rounds to floor him. With that said, Berto is fairly quick and has the power to trouble Manny as well, and he's a lot better choice of opposition than anything Manny has done since Cotto or Hatton in 09' or maybe even Marquez in 08'. Well people called Berto a BUM and a hype job, but he was the LEGIT WBC Champ, undefeated, and ranked number 2 or 3 in WW depending if you count Floyd Mayweather in the rankings. So in my opinion, if Berto was to lose, it should have been against the P4P king Pacquiao at that point.

Well Canelo would be a LEGIT win for Cotto in that case, or even Chavez. Cotto would be the star and could make them want to come down for there biggest pay day ever.