There were NO illegal wraps.
It's really pathetic for old Roy Jones to make excuses like that! :nonono:
He can't face up to the reality that he's shot.
:sad:
I think his team brought it up in the locker room before the fight.
But anyway.
Not many fighters can admit they are past it. They go on and on until they are completely forced out.
I remember hearing that in Japan, in Sumo wrestling, that if a Yokozuna (and maybe any wrestler at that...not sure on the rules)...but they can be forced to retire if they lose to much.
Roy was already on the decline even before his move up to HW but he was still ahead of the game where it didn't matter as much. But after he came back down from HW, his body was ruined and so was his career. He should have retired after Ruiz or stayed at HW and fought another big HW with a title...like Lewis...who more than likely would have knocked him out so maybe not the best choice either.
Floyd looked gay as hell!!! :rofl: :rofl:
Well if you can't get girls to go or watch your fight like Oscar was able to do, at least try to get the gay$ to go.
dude looks like suge knight. he needs to get that hair cleaned up a bit though
What's crazy is that 230+ pounds was his "fighting-weight." And that pic is what he is when he is not in the gym. Think Ricky Hatton before he goes to the gym to prepare for a fight vs. after months of training and dieting.
Notice the trainers for each fighter:
Evander had legendary trainer George Benton and Riddick had legendary trainer Eddie Futch. Two Prime HW Fighters being trained by legendary trainers going at it for the Title.
This isn't baseball or basketball; this is Boxing.
You do what's best for you.
Rocky Marciano: retired on top, arguably still in his prime although some say he was slightly past it...but no matter what...he left with his health which includes his brain intact so that he was aware and in control of his life. When you are punch-drunk your chances decline drastically of how much you are in control of what is going on around you.
Benny Leonard: retired on top before he slipped.
Although had to come back about 7 years later because he lost money in the Stock-Market-Crash. Didn't do so well.
Gene Tunney: retired on top
if RJJ knew Green was cheating then why didn't he just fly his ass back to the U.S.????
I'm not saying Roy is right but if I had to take a guess based on a fighter's thinking....."MONEY" and it was right before the fight was about to start.
By the way, above your post is Danny's side to it.
Roy is still a really impressive fighter, still smart, fast enough etc Definitely past his best but his attributes and brain are still working well enough.
It is just his chin, it was never a rock solid McCall type chin, but it was pretty reliable. But dropping back down from HW messed around with punch resistance, then the subsequent KO losses made it worse and worse, to the point where his chin is shit.
He would have taken Danny to pieces if his chin was still decent, if you watch the fight, he is moving alright, and tagging Danny with some nice jabs, and looking OK. It is just the chin.
Chris Byrd's dropping down in weight was a bit shocking to watch. Wasn't overly surprised because he looked ill but he went from taking shots from much bigger men to just looking awful against Shawn George.
There is only so much you can take even at a "healthy" weight...your just adding to it with destroying your body with weight loss...specifically muscle loss and to late in your career.
Pac's career is not over yet!! but he already had a great run already. Beating Hatton, DLH and Cotto were an impossible feat just 2 years ago. Just 5 years ago, Beating JMM, MAb & EM was an improbable too for a Former Flyweight. Pac not only beats them. He beats them up with the worst beating in their careers.
Impossible to who?
Freddie Roach outlined it all for everybody. People that didn't listen to him were idiots.
What did Freddie say about Hatton...DLH...and Cotto...as to why Manny had the edge?
MAB was a solid win. I liked that victory.
EM was arguably past his best and he beat Pac. EM went on to fight Zahir Raheem and looked awful. EM moved back down in weight and that's when Pac beat him.
You think Pac is the only small fighter to beat much bigger men?
Know your history better.
I didn't read any of the pages so if someone said it already...I'm with you.
It's a smart move to throw your hat in the WW division where Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao are right now. Pac can face Bradley next if he wants if he can't get Floyd into the ring if he beats Shane...and/or if Mosley beats Floyd since Mosley will have to give Floyd a rematch.
It's a good move.
Although I have to say, if Pac doesn't get the fight with either Mosley or Floyd... if Williams can come back down to 147 or Pac wants to move up to face Williams or Martinez at 154...that would be something.
David Haye vs. either Klitschko will be a big fight and the division needs it.
Adamek vs. Haye would be a big fight for the HW division.
Povetkin vs. Haye or Adamek would be a good fight.
It's really about the Klitschkos. To good for the division and would have been better off in some other eras. Not their fault. It happens to most HW elites really at one point or another. There are some decent HWs right now they could face but even if some have a shot at beating either of them...it's not much. Haye might stand the best chance but you have people ripping on him as if he wasn't good so what does that say?
Exciting eras for HW with a loaded division really only had maybe two. Ali's era and 90's.
It's just harder to find good HWs that can fill a top 10 like other divisions.
I would really like to see the NFL, NBA, Rugby leagues all banned. Then we can have a loaded HW division possibly. But remember, those athletes chose not to go into boxing in favor of more lucrative deals in their chosen sport.
name 1 boxer in the history of the sport that surpass the accomplishments and awards of pac.....
Think about it. He is not only in an era that has more divisions to fight in but more belts to pick and choose from. It's harder when there are less divisions and only one belt to grab in each division. It was also hard for many fighters back in the day who weren't able to get title shots because of the
MOB/Politics/Business...Feared; so they were avoided...or simply because of the color of their skin so potential "ATG" fighters were cast aside.
Awards: I'm guessing more awards today as well because we have more people to create bullshit awards. More papers, more websites, and more idiots to think they are experts on the field.
Is what he did something Great? Absolutely.
But is it fair to history, to fighters of the past that are simply brushed aside because we have more idiots today that don't know how to read a book, take time to study a little about the history of the sport, watch tapes, ask Pro and/or Former fighters, etc.?
I say NO.
Also remember we are in an era that people are saying Boxing is in the E.R.
How true? eh.
OP: Explain how it was a stronger scene 86-92 when Frank Bruno got four attempts at a hw belt, the first three all being KO defeats?
There are loopholes in every era. Explain to me how Holyfield is still getting title shots at 89 years old?
I thought that was kinda lame. Golden Boy should just pay YouTube and make this the trailer:
Now that trailer just hypes me up for the fight.
I'll be watching this in the theater though. I like the atmosphere of a theater filled with people.
Hell yeah. GP makes excellent videos. Someone needs to sign GP if they haven't already.
People are opinionated.
But the Prime version of RJJ that lives in my mind,
Is the greatest fighter I've ever seen.
Hands down.
Some people think Ali is impressive, some think Tyson etc.
RJJ is to me that kind of Fistic art in his prime.
I know prime Roy and he's the best I ever laid eyes on.
THE SCHOLAR CONSIDERS:
An Interview With Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman
By Katherine Dunn
WHY ROY JONES, JR?
KD -- Some of the questions put forward by the CBZ scholars come to mind at this point.They’ve sent them to me by e-mail and I’ve printed them out and have them here. May I run a few by you?
HG -- Well, I’ll see what I can do, sure.
KD -- A couple of years ago you published your own greatest pound-for-pound list in International Boxing digest. You had Roy Jones Jr. at the top of your list. You’ve received much criticism from historians and others—typically older folks—What about Jones’ abilities and accomplishments prompted you to make such a bold statement? And how do you compare greatness in boxers? And would you still put Jones up at the top?
HG -- OK. My ranking of Jones in such a dramatic fashion, had to do not with his accomplishments but simply with his skills. He has more and greater skills than any fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. The way he can hook and go immediately to a straight punch, the way he can fire shots from all angles, his domination of every opponent he faces. I’ve never seen a comparable fighter in my life. I went out on a limb in making that pronouncement at that time. I don’t think I was that overboard. Now it’s true that Mr. Jones’ accomplishments in terms of being in great fights, in terms of being a super-star of his period do not begin to equal his skills. That’s the down side. Of course to make great fights it takes two to tango and Mr. Jones is so far above his competition that there are no great fights out there for him, certainly within his own weight classes. Now in terms of looking at the careers of certain fighters, certainly there are a number of men who outshone him in that respect. But I still maintain that Mr. Jones is the most skilfull, is the most over-powering man, pound-for-pound, in the history of boxing. I don’t think even Sugar Ray Robinson was as dominant over his opposition as Roy Jones has been. That takes nothing away from Sugar Ray. But I have never seen a phenomenon like Roy Jones. Of course Roy Jones knows it, too. He knows what he wants, what he doesn’t want. He’s a star. He won’t fight here. He will fight only here. He’s his own promoter, more or less. So he’s certainly not everyones’ ideal of what a fighter should be. But in terms of skills I think he’s the greatest.
"Roy Jones, Jr. –shooting these punches from nowhere. The way Roy Jones can turn a straight jab into a hook is something I’ve never seen any fighter do. When I was watching boxing as a kid I used to imagine fighters who could do that, but I never saw anybody do it until I saw Roy Jones."
Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman
http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w42x-kd.htm
I think its going to be Hopkins, his title-defenses are impressive. Not many fighters go that long with a winning streak.
And he should thank Roy Jones jr. for letting him have the belt after he left the division. Hopkins owes his career to Roy Jones jr.
Ali was only a Heavyweight. Pac dominates 112-147. what he did was Greater.
Only a HW?
HW has NO WEIGHT LIMITS which means you can fight guys of all sizes in height and weight.
Ali also won Gold as a LH.
Pac also has the use of modern Science/Nutrition/Training with Ariza and Teri Tom to help him increase his weight and improve himself physically. Imagine if Old School fighters way back had that same privilege?
Pac also fights in an era of More Divisions and More belts to pick and choose from so it's not quite what people make it out to be. Still Great...but not quite fair to past fighters who fought in less divisons, had only one belt to fight for...and hell...some guys couldn't get a title fight because of the MOb or even because they were black.
Ali also was never knocked out twice early in his career...nor did he lose to a Past prime Morales. And I don't remember Ali avoiding anyone...even when he was past his best.
And because he was a "HW"...there were no Catch-weights or fighting fighters moving down in weight (like Oscar).
Pac is a Great fighter. His story is incredible from start to now. And the humanitarian part is a Huge Bonus. But saying he is a greater fighter than Ali?
Who wins: Prime Ali or Prime Pac in a fight?
Ali does.
Pac, like Robinson, has to use "P4P" but they can never say they are the absolute best. I would give more credit to guys like Sam Langford who fought HWs. Now that is something.
Tell Pac to take 3+ years off and show up a declined fighter...and later go on to beat Big George Foreman.
Here is a great example of who knew what was up:
Listen to what he says
2:40+
HW is KING.
if you mean take on all comers, and look for challenges, then yea, i think pacquiao has actually done more than ali, but ofcourse many will disagree, but that's ok
Pac takes on "all comers" Tell him to fight EVERYBODY in boxing.
Why isn't Pac HW Champ then?
Ali had the ability to beat Anyone during his era.
Fedor wins. You've got to remember all he has to do is get in close, Tyson was always grappling and if he was *that good* he'd KO oppponents with the first punch of a fight wouldn't he? anything more and that's infighting - something Fedor would dominate at.
Fedor only needs to slip once punch to get through and grappler a boxere to death. Can we honestly say with 100% certainty a boxer would manage to hit fedor as he came inside him - first time - everytime?
He grappled in a BOXING MATCH; not a street-fight. He destroyed Mitch Blood Green in a street-fight in seconds. Same man that took him the distance when he was younger. Of course he busted up his hand because there were no gloves.
Fedor does not have good hand-strikes and when he stands up he really isn't as good. But if he gets you on the Ground, the Man is Incredible. He is also strong and is a tough S.O.B.
So who wins? Who knows. Both have their chance but Fedor overall will come with more weapons. It favors Tyson at the start because they both are standing up and it usually starts off with a strikes. If Tyson goes to the ground, I expect him to chew and rip Fedor's balls so Fedor has to be fast. Fedor most likely knows real self-defense which includes moves to break arms and legs so let's keep that in mind.
Street-fights last seconds. Boxing matches you need to be prepared to go the distance. Big Difference in how you approach the two.
This is some funny stuff
Ike Ibeabuchi has become a "what if" fantasy for pathetic racists who dream of a black heavyweight champion. The thread starter is obviously a racist. The truth is Ike was a ridiculously overrated mental midget who got his ass whooped by overrated one dimensional Tua.
Either Klitschko annihilates Ibeabuchi.
:rofl: ........................nice for being objective about it.
He should have just said Ike had the talent to give both Klitschkos trouble and possibly beat them. He certainly would have been their toughest test.
You know Ike beat the man that beat Vitali?
And if Sanders, Brewster, and Puritty could beat Wlad...Ike has a shot.
That's all I'm saying. He has a shot.
Oh...and he actually trained for fights to be "in fighting shape" unlike many HWs we've seen over the years. He fought an undefeated in shape Tua at his best and Tua was never that exact same fighter again. He beat Tua on the cards. Some say Tua won the fight though and others say Ike won. Close fight. Nice battle between two prime HWs.