Will the Haye-ters give him any credit for beating Ruiz?

So, the verdict? I missed all the banter.

No, because Ruiz was not even top 25, so why should Haye get credit for beating him? Imagine the hate for Wlad if he fought a fighter ranked so low.

to get respect you must beat someone we respect, ruiz is far from that. He had a decent career but he is old now so why get carried away in believing he could have won? Ruiz is just a payday for haye he was no threat at all

Im a Haye fan and I wont even give him much credit. Well you not really a fan now how you Irondirkdiggler?? You're just playing fan..am sure a lot of people here would think you're a fan when in fact you hate Haye's gut lol but carry on with your pretence.

its not about the result (unless he loses) but how he looks doing so. he knocked out barrett but looked bad doing so. not using his jab, combinations etc.. just swinging one wild KO punch after another looking to get him. he did get him eventually but it wasnt a craftsmanlike performance. on the other way around he somewhat struggled against valuev and barely threw any punches. but he showed he was fundamentally sound displaying excellent footwork and defense, he controled distance and used angles very well and when he did throw he was accurate. also he placed his punches intelligently, that was a very impressive performance. it didnt bring u out of your seat but it showed u the skills and craft necessary to possibly compete with a klitschko. thats what ill be looking for on saturday, if i see it ill give him credit. Ideally, I'd like to see a mixture of the two. Intelligent boxing geared towards going for the knockout. If he's too wild it'll excite the casual fans but won't exactly bode well for his chances versus a Klit sometime down the road. If he's too passive then it's going to look quite bad for him from that same casual fanpoint who thus far have been promised excitement and knockouts.

Ill give him credit for it, ruiz is a test, if he cant pass it well then thats too bad for him and the rest of the division actually as he seems to be the only one causing a bit of excitment, the last few of the klits opponents have been hopeless so im hoping haye can at least cause a few problems with his heavy hands, which he has got

its not about the result (unless he loses) but how he looks doing so. he knocked out barrett but looked bad doing so. not using his jab, combinations etc.. just swinging one wild KO punch after another looking to get him. he did get him eventually but it wasnt a craftsmanlike performance. on the other way around he somewhat struggled against valuev and barely threw any punches. but he showed he was fundamentally sound displaying excellent footwork and defense, he controled distance and used angles very well and when he did throw he was accurate. also he placed his punches intelligently, that was a very impressive performance. it didnt bring u out of your seat but it showed u the skills and craft necessary to possibly compete with a klitschko. thats what ill be looking for on saturday, if i see it ill give him credit.

not alot of people with give him credit because the haters have only seen the valuev fight, which was his only fight without a knockout to that point. he had a gameplan against valuev and stuck to it and won and is still getting hated on. but if he was american he would be perseived differently. just imo. A lot of people ripped on him for one main reason: he didn't live up to the hype. If you're going to talk a big talk, get everyone amped, promise the world then deliver a saucer of stale milk then people rightly are going to feel aggrieved. Add in the fact that quite a few people thought Haye lost that fight on the cards, including the British commentators and it's hardly the best statement for the self-proclaimed young saviour of boxing, now is it? Oh, and please drop this whiny victim complex. It gives us a bad reputation.

not alot of people with give him credit because the haters have only seen the valuev fight, which was his only fight without a knockout to that point. he had a gameplan against valuev and stuck to it and won and is still getting hated on. but if he was american he would be perseived differently. just imo.

John Ruiz has beaten plenty of good heavyweights, he may fight ugly but he can beat any pretenders. I'll give Haye credit for a decisive win.

I made a similar thread last year prior to the Valuev fight, which predictably (and disappointingly) didn't garner any response from the usual mindless drones on here. So now's your chance to redeem yourselves and prevent anyone from calling you out on your contradictory ways. You know who you are. So anyway, let's go through the options. If Haye does any of the following... - Trounces Ruiz to a dominant UD, Jones-style - Stops Ruiz very early, Tua-style - Trounces Ruiz, then stops him in the middle rounds - Trounces Ruiz, then stops him late, Wlad-style ... will you give him credit? OK, let's make it more interesting and specific, just to prevent blatant contradictions or twisting things to fit agendas - yes Tunney, that's you in a nut(hugging)shell. If any of these scenarios occur... - Haye really struggles for 4 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye really struggles for 8 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye really struggles for 12 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye is in control but gunshy for 4 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye is in control but gunshy for 8 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye is in control but gunshy for 12 rounds, then brutally stops Ruiz - Haye dominates to a UD or stoppage, but suffers a single knockdown along the way - Haye dominates to a UD or stoppage, but suffers multiple knockdowns along the way - Haye struggles to a UD or stoppage, and suffers a single knockdown along the way - Haye struggles to a UD or stoppage, and suffers multiple knockdowns along the way - Haye and Ruiz engage in the ultimate HW war, Ibeabuchi-Tua style, with both suffering a knockdown(s), with Haye getting the brutal stoppage ... will you give Haye credit? they hate because they see haye as a threat in the HW divison and also because of all hayes antics at the klitshckos with the shirt with the severed heads etc..

no they wont. its as simple as that haye should win this by the 6th/7th round.

I will give Haye credit if he can do this: Come on man, that's unrealistic. Tua was (is) one of the hardest heavyweight punchers ever, and happened to catch Ruiz cold. If Haye can dispatch of Ruiz before the seventh or eighth I think that's a reasonable result for him.

if I were Haye I would impose a random drug test on them two monsters, but of course there will be a huge backlash on Haye for either request Umm, that might not be in Haye's best interest you know...

True, but the idea is to disregard that from this context. The Klitschko fights didn't happen (yet), and the Valuev fight is in the history books. This fight is now, and crucial to the bigger things the division needs. If haters are going into this with the fixed mindset of dismissing anything he does to Ruiz en route to a potential victory, I want to hear it now rather than later when they've conveniently changed their minds. Seriously if David Haye wasn't a loud mouth the heavyweight division would be to dull. Moving up in weight and fighting the Klitchkos with no catch weight clause is rediculous, if I were Haye I would impose a random drug test on them two monsters, but of course there will be a huge backlash on Haye for either request

Cherry pickin HW is not going to do anything for his resume. Roy Jones beat Ruiz years ago and got the HW belt. Jones was the same way, he went into the HW division because he knew that Ruiz was one of the less skilled HW and he had a belt. Until he fights someone like Peter, Adamek or the Klitshcko's Haye has not accomplished much at HW division.

Where does it say that? I was referring solely to those, as I mentioned in the OP, who are known to have a vitriolic agenda against Haye. I can't stand Haye nowadays with his silly talk and I certainly wouldn't call myself a fan, but that doesn't mean I go around shitting on his every move in the ring. I still give credit where it's due, and hope that he sticks around to make some exciting fights (discounting Valuev, in which the circumstances would've been exceptional for anyone). Apologies if I took it the wrong way. I've been called some pretty interesting names by Haye fans for merely happening to disagree with them, despite being not in the least bit hostile in doing so, and I've generally found that people who invent such silly name-calls tend to be of a juvenile and fannish disposition. So you can at least see my point of view here. I actually gave Haye a little credit for beating Valuev where others were in the full flow of kecks down, bums in the air, full-on faecal spraying. His timing of shots and his boxing (when he elected to use it) were better than I expected of him, as his rocking of Valuev in the 12th definitely upped my estimation of his punching power a few notches. And I'll certainly give him credit if he dispatches of Ruiz in relatively easy fashion. But I'll also criticise him if he struggles or looks bad, as is my right, given the mantle that he and his fans have put upon his shoulders.

You seem a bit infatuated with Haye yourself, PittyPat. Har har, Tuns. When's the last time I even genuinely complimented the guy? :p I'm all rooting for him to win (for a few reasons; Ruiz sucks, Haye's usually cool to watch, and Britain's doing good right now), but I know he'll get brutalised by the brothers if they ever meet in the ring. And rightly so, because he was an ass last year.

Are you serious? John Ruiz!? JOHN RUIZ!? If he last one round with David Haye...I think we all should start questioning David Haye boxing future here... Whatever John Ruiz's faults, he's a tough fathermucker who knows how to survive. I fully expect him to last through the first three rounds. After that it gets interesting...

Im a Haye fan and I wont even give him much credit.