heavyweight division is at it weakest ever!

Cruiserweight has never been a real weight class. It's a stepping stone to heavyweight is all it is. Anything with Junior, Super, or Cruiser really shouldn't be considered. So Super Middleweight is just garbage, then?:thinking1: Cruiserweight has no history, like a Evander Holyfield?

Weaker than CW? That's hilarious, especially considering it's two best boxers just moved to HW and even Zsolt Erdei was able to pick up a strap recently, while being outweighed 17 pounds. Hell even LHW isn't stellar these days with Hopkins seemingly done with serious opponents. Cruiserweight has never been a real weight class. It's a stepping stone to heavyweight is all it is. Anything with Junior, Super, or Cruiser really shouldn't be considered.

I like Wlad and Vitali and no I don't need an American champion for the division to be exciting. But I do feel that the division is the weakest in boxing next maybe the minimum weight and strawweight divisions. And it's not because the K brothers are European it's because none of their fights are exciting and neither are the contenders who fight each other. The division is boring as a whole. Weaker than CW? That's hilarious, especially considering it's two best boxers just moved to HW and even Zsolt Erdei was able to pick up a strap recently, while being outweighed 17 pounds. Hell even LHW isn't stellar these days with Hopkins seemingly done with serious opponents.

the division has been so bad the last decade that guys like Briggs,tua,Holyfield,Botha,etc, are still active & talked about...other than haye,arreola,chambers,peters & a couple untested Europeans this division is dying off.both klitschkos were after thoughts in the 90's & never did anything until the big dogs disappeared or got old & fat.guys like boytsov,dimitrenko,arreola,peter,chambers,povetkin must fight each other more often to establish the next legit title threat.also we need 1 champ not 4...then recycled contender from the 90's & unproven guys like kingpin & sosnowski don't get title shots.the division needs to move forward but it keeps getting stuck in the past....step up new guys & take the old out to pasture. Perhaps weak.But if only those good fighters fight each other instead of ducking each other.

Pathetically weak.

:wtf1: They're selling out football stadiums! Don't feed the trolls, man.

:wtf1: They're selling out football stadiums! The best part about being a boxing fan in America, is we're so diverse we don't feel the need to cling to our fellow countrymen for dear life, as if we have some kind of bond to them. If they're not good, we say it. Look at all the hate Floyd gets on here, mostly from Americans. Do you know why? Because, for the most part, he is boring, although I do feel he is much more exciting to watch than either K brother. You are a typical Euro hugger. You have a blind loyalty to fighters strictly because they're from your part of the world. Hell, in your delusional mind, you might actually believe that those guys are exciting to watch, and everybody has different tastes in what is entertaining and what is not in the ring, and the vast majority (I'd guess 70%+) would agree that those guys are a bore to watch. Instead of just acknowledging them for what they are, you will argue, bash, and make racism accusations in an attempt to make everybody see them in the same light as you do. Trust me, you have too many people to convince. It will be more worth it to just accept them for what they are, respect everybody's opinion toward them, and move on without making racist accusations.

ye it is at its weakest,we know

Agree 100%. Those guys don't bring any entertainment to the ring. It's the only time you can go to a fight and it's about as loud as a golf tournament in the crowd. HW division has nothing going for it, and it shows in the numbers. The snooze brothers are fighting in small European countries and can't sell out a crowd. If those guys were exciting, people would love them - American's aren't like other countries. We're a melting pot. TBH the only people I hear crying racism is Europeans. We love our exciting fighters from all over South America, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Philippines, Italy, Japan, etc... For some reason these Euro-Huggers think we American's have some agenda against them and sadly that isn't the case - it's just that nobody likes those fighters. Get over it. great post! I agree & some of the euro-nuthuggers are not even from Europe!

David Haye vs. either Klitschko will be a big fight and the division needs it. Adamek vs. Haye would be a big fight for the HW division. Povetkin vs. Haye or Adamek would be a good fight. It's really about the Klitschkos. To good for the division and would have been better off in some other eras. Not their fault. It happens to most HW elites really at one point or another. There are some decent HWs right now they could face but even if some have a shot at beating either of them...it's not much. Haye might stand the best chance but you have people ripping on him as if he wasn't good so what does that say? Exciting eras for HW with a loaded division really only had maybe two. Ali's era and 90's. It's just harder to find good HWs that can fill a top 10 like other divisions. I would really like to see the NFL, NBA, Rugby leagues all banned. Then we can have a loaded HW division possibly. But remember, those athletes chose not to go into boxing in favor of more lucrative deals in their chosen sport.

I like Wlad and Vitali and no I don't need an American champion for the division to be exciting. But I do feel that the division is the weakest in boxing next maybe the minimum weight and strawweight divisions. And it's not because the K brothers are European it's because none of their fights are exciting and neither are the contenders who fight each other. The division is boring as a whole. Agree 100%. Those guys don't bring any entertainment to the ring. It's the only time you can go to a fight and it's about as loud as a golf tournament in the crowd. HW division has nothing going for it, and it shows in the numbers. The snooze brothers are fighting in small European countries and can't sell out a crowd. If those guys were exciting, people would love them - American's aren't like other countries. We're a melting pot. TBH the only people I hear crying racism is Europeans. We love our exciting fighters from all over South America, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Philippines, Italy, Japan, etc... For some reason these Euro-Huggers think we American's have some agenda against them and sadly that isn't the case - it's just that nobody likes those fighters. Get over it.

It’s amazing, I would have never thought HBO would scoop that low… it was showtime not hbo but I can't remember if I paid for it....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17426 Holyfield Valueless was a HBO PPV. It’s amazing, I would have never thought HBO would scoop that low…

Exactly. But the Euro-haters will use that to try to say the division sucks. Holyfield was not in the top 50 BoxRec when he fought Valuev. Holyfield is not even in the ratings now of The Ring, BoxRec, WBO, IBF, WBC, WBA, and IBO. Again it's not because the champions are European it's because the fights are boring because all the fighters American or Euro alike are boring. Seriously when was the last important HW fight that was exciting? The last one i recall was Lewis vs Vitali and they were both......... EUROPEAN

I like Wlad and Vitali and no I don't need an American champion for the division to be exciting. But I do feel that the division is the weakest in boxing next maybe the minimum weight and strawweight divisions. And it's not because the K brothers are European it's because none of their fights are exciting and neither are the contenders who fight each other. The division is boring as a whole. I think that’s the best argument yet, if you ask the common sports fan who’s the designated heavyweight champion is they couldn’t tell you whether European or American.

He got a shot a Valueless's ABC belt because King could sell the fight to HBO. Seemples! So this fight is being broadcasted by the HBO network? Correct me if I’m wrong…

I like Wlad and Vitali and no I don't need an American champion for the division to be exciting. But I do feel that the division is the weakest in boxing next maybe the minimum weight and strawweight divisions. And it's not because the K brothers are European it's because none of their fights are exciting and neither are the contenders who fight each other. The division is boring as a whole.

There are loopholes in every era. Explain to me how Holyfield is still getting title shots at 89 years old? LOL, that alone should be a testament to how horrid this division has become.

You are absolutely right. The old hangers-on like Tua and McCall are just fighting journeymen. Joe Strong says Briggs is still relevant, but he hasn't won a fight since 2006! How is that relevant? :lol1: Some people will keep saying it's no good until we have an American world titleholder. Joe Strong is an American wannabe who worships American boxers. :hail:[/Qyou are just a gay wannabe European! I don't recall my favorite boxer other than James toney & Holyfield are American.where are lennox,Botha,golota from? Since they were & are my favorite....you really should just shut up because you never know what your talking about you wreck beach,ballgazing homo....you are an embarrassing Canadian & you should just move to Europe since it's so much better.also I pay extra to fly over the states because I'm never going there.Why would I want to be American when I make more $$$ here building the oil sands,schools,hospitals,airport hangers,etc. I wouldn't want to be an American.I'm happy being Canadian not like you...

Its better then when Ruiz and Byrd were champions and those two bums didn't even want to fight each other. At the very least you have to give the Klit brothers credit for fighting everyone.