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Who cares that Joshua got dropped and supposedly 'exposed' according to some... It was his 19th pro fight in only 4 years and his first major step up to true world class level. All I care about is that for the first time in essentially a decade of putrid heavyweight boxing, we are getting some great fights again at the top level. If Klitschko comes back for a rematch, I'm all for it. He looked bizarrely good for a 41 year old and frankly that was a great heavyweight fight. Joshua's fight with Whyte was a lot of fun too. Compare that to the Klit/Fury fight...urgh. I would rather watch this fight a thousand times over than the Fury fight one more time. The future looks bright again for exciting heavyweight boxing. Let's hope that Parker is also able to step up, Fury able to get his crazy fat ass into shape again, Wilder able to step up and create even more possibilities for great fights. Let's hope that Klitschko also comes back again...just not against Fury for gods sake!

Breaking news on the Manny Pacquiao injury. It's bull****. They say he tore it in the fourth round, yet he had most success with his right hook after the fourth round and it was his most frequent punch in the second half of the fight. Funny that. You guys really need to man up and see this for the media spin it is. Every single possible angle has been covered by Arum after the fight, but the most important thing of, the actual fight, there isn't a shred of evidence that points to Pac having a performance affecting injury during it. No mention in the corner by the fighter or his team, at any point. Pac has mentioned leg cramps in the corner before and treatment has been applied frantically. You think that in his biggest fight ever, the most important of his career by far, that he wouldn't once mention that he had just completely torn his shoulder muscle out, thus basically guaranteeing a loss? You thick losers think that he wouldn't even hint at it? You think the corner wouldn't be hyper aware of such a dramatic injury and thus have multiple solutions prepared, from ice packs, to heat packs, to massaging and everything in between? So, in the biggest fight of his career, going into the fight with a shoulder injury, there is no early mention of whether it is holding up ok, and then, most striking, Pac himself doesn't mention anything when he comes back to the corner after the fourth round directly after he has supposedly just ripped his shoulder muscle to shreds and can't even lift it anymore. This, despite him being brave enough to talk about leg cramps and getting his corner to work on them in significantly lesser fights. Then there is no mention of it the rest of the fight, and he's miraculously able to throw and land counter hooks, jabs and flurries all with his right hand after the fourth round with his usual speed, power and with the same frequency he had shown early. The one thing Arum is the best at is spinning bull**** for the media and flooding the media with it and you morons have bought it, hook, line and sinker. Like I said, the proof is in the pudding. What it comes to is this very simple proof. If Pacquiao had a bad (read performance affecting) shoulder injury, he would not have been able to throw right hooks and jabs with any degree of frequency, power or speed. He threw them nonstop all fight. In fact, with a torn rotator cuff as they are now saying, he wouldn't have been able to counter over Floyd's left hook at all. If he tore his rotator cuff as mentioned, you can't even lift your arm up and your elbow away from your body. Pac wouldn't have even been able to lift his arms at the end in celebration as he did without the slightest flinch of pain or hesitation with the injury they say, let alone throw flurries, right hooks and jabs all fight. You simply can't do it with a rotator cuff tear. If there was minor wear and tear, which is the case with most boxers anyway, then it was so minor as to not make any difference to his performance and it is simply media spin. This is by far the most likely explanation, because his performance wasn't affected in any way, shape or form by his right hand. He used it with great regularity, nearly always countering Floyd all fight, but he just couldn't land it with any regularity. You guys need to come to grips with this and see it for what it is. Pure, unadulterated, bull**** spin.

What the hell is with that? The guys complaining most all seem to be the rabid Pac fans. How is this possible? What relationship is there? Both southpaws? Because their fighting styles, which you guys always talk about, are the absolute opposite. Considering that they've always been about aggression and pushing the fight, why does it seem to be the rabid Pac fans complaining about robbery? How can you hypocritical pricks talk on one hand about Floyd, Rigo etc supposedly fighting like a *****, then on the other hand say this was a robbery, when it was only Canelo pushing the fight? This was worse than both Floyd and Rigo. You guys argue that Pac should have won the Marquez fights because he pushed it and went for the KO more, but now you're all saying Lara boxed well, had better defense making Canelo miss more and got robbed...:pat: You guys are ****ed. You talk about great defense winning the fight, without any offense though, then you'll go complain like little girls about Floyd winning a fight with better defense, and offense. Have some principle. If you go for the 'aggression wins fights' you have to think Canelo won this fight, because he landed the harder shots, pushed it, and actually tried to go for the KO. You all suck ass. Bunch of hypocritical pansies. Either way, enough with the robbery talk! There was no robbery. Pro boxing is about who controlled the fight fight, had the more effective aggression and who landed the harder punches. Canelo was a deserving winner.

Got put on ignore for replying to Tunneys post about Ali being ****e (in the thread about Wlad being great no less) because he was knocked down by Cooper and Wepner, while Thompson and Chagaev absolutely 100% wouldn't have been, and that's fact, therefore supposedly proving some point that was just too deep to be ridiculed by the likes of fools such as myself. I'm sure it has something to do with proving Wlad is better than Ali, despite being dropped many, many more times himself and being KTFO by subpar opposition in his prime, but let's not let that little fact get in our way shall we? Anyway, because I couldn't finish my reply there, I thought I'd have to start a whole new thread about it, just so he could see it. I assume the ignore was accidental of course, and that he'd be delighted to learn of my reply. I'll try not to accidentally click the ignore button for him like a little biatch. :lol1: 100% agreed, Freedom, I'm fed up with these piss-taking cunts trying to denigrate Wlad's achievements. People can say what they want, but Holyfield never fought Alex Leapai. No one can ever deny that. He did get knocked out by James Toney though, ATG heavyweight, who was subsequently 'beaten' by Sam Peter, Nigerian ATG heavyweight. Sam Peter>James Toney>Commander Vander While most people thought the 40 year old 5'9" former middleweight champion beat the huge, modern Nigerian ATG super heavyweight Sam Peter (size matters ok), Toney beating Commander Vander but losing to Peter four years later, proves the greatness of the Nigerian ATG heavyweight. It shows that while he could only knock Wlad down three times en route to a close loss, he would be a dominant champion in older eras. Those clubbing swings, terrible (read 'no') footwork, no defense, no offense except for rabbit punches would really fit in with the poorly skilled black and white era of the Ali's, Fraziers and other unskilled midgets.

Where has this come from? He's not a good boxer. People think of him as this guy with great skills, slick defense, speed, awesome footwork, yet he has very little of any of that stuff. His speed is ok, pretty standard in fact. His footwork is very straight forward and basic, absolutely nothing special. A lot of it actually hinders him, rather than helps and he rarely uses it to set guys up well. His jab is decent, not great, not even that good. It's decent. His defense is ****e. His overall skills are lacking and his technique a bit ****e. He has been outboxed a lot over his career. He's not a guy, like I've seen written many, many, many times, that would be a great of this era if he had power. So, where did this myth come from? It couldn't have come from his fights, because he's been outboxed a lot and if people had seen most of his fights, they'd understand that he's gotten by on volume and very basic boxing offense and just being a bit better than the ****ty contenders he's mostly beaten. He's been outfought, outboxed, and outsmarted and if he was a good boxer, he would never have had the trouble with all the mediocre contenders that he's always struggled to beat. He would have clearly beaten many of the guys he's fought and done much better against the guys he's lost to if he had all these skills that people say of him.

How does a guy who wins...no, dominates, every single round, maybe barring the first which could have been an even feel out round, plus knocks the guy down, nearly lose? That was about the easiest fight I've seen to score without it being a straight KO. What the **** type of corruption was that? That wasn't mediocre scoring, it wasn't a blind judge being a retard, it wasn't CJ Ross the dumb cunt, that was as corrupt a score as I've ever seen. You couldn't give a single round, except maybe the first, to Beibut on anything that resembles the rules of boxing scoring. He lost every single aspect of the scoring regulations and got utterly dominated in every which way....yet somehow he nearly wins in a close SD fight? What the **** happened? Someone explain why there hasn't been serious outrage over that? It's like if, in the NFL final, one team won 50-5...**** that... 50-0, yet they just ignore the score and give the championship to the team that scored 0 ****ing points. That guy needs to be investigated, fired, fined and then shot in the ****ing head and buried away from any boxing venues so his sack spirit doesn't find its way into some other retarded judge. Even the other scorecards were absolute ****e. It was an easy, clear, no doubt whatsoever, 120-110 type fight. It could not have been anything else, unless you just didn't even watch it. The only decent thing that came was that the right guy won, but what if it was an easy win for Hopkins, but without the knock down and one or two rounds closer...instead of the shut out it was...he would have lost. Unbelievable. :burnup:

Shame. Guy could have made a great football (euro) player. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldn4CCoqs6I

I know the British crew commentating had Herrera up by 3 and 4 rounds. I'd love to know what Paulie and the Showtime crew had for scores. Man, I'm pissed. This is bull****. Listening to Garcia talk to Grey is pissing me off. They should be asking how he felt he won at all, considering it was a pretty clear Herrera win.

Based on what I saw fight night, Canelo would either knock Floyd out or win an easy, wide decision. Floyd wouldn't keep Canelo thinking as much with so many jabs and a high workrate like Trout, so Canelo could just get in there without any trouble and would break Floyd down with monstrous punching, to the body and head, and he would simply break through Floyd's weakening defense. Also, the legs of Floyd, now that they're going, wouldn't let him run away, so Canelo would hunt him down and beat him up. :boxing: Canelo by pwning in 10.

Whaddya think then? Was it a bit premature? Should the ref have given Price the opportunity to try and get past it? His mental faculties were all there and he was obviously reasonably clear headed, it wasn't really that type of KO, but, his legs were still very wobbly and he was unsteady. Did the ref do him a disservice by stopping it that quick, or would Price's legs have just given up the ghost and would he have been knocked down again or out? I tell ya what though....I think, more than anything, even more than Price's ****e chin, it was his lack of real experience leading up to that fight that lost it for him. He needed some hard rounds and a couple of longer fights against some still young guys, but who were still probably not skilled enough to really hurt or beat him. He got dropped, and while it was a good shot and he was clearly hurt, it was a a shot that didn't put him out mentally. It was more of a temple shot with throws out your equilibrium, which can often be regained pretty quick, especially if you're young and have some good recuperative powers. Unfortunately, we'll never know. It was really just his legs and body that spazzed out, and he regained them reasonably quick after getting back up. If he had just stayed down and taken the full 8 or 9 count, instead of jumping back up while his brain was still sending spazzoid signals to his legs, it's very possible he might have gotten through the rest of the round or at least given himself a second chance to get back into it. As it was, he jumped up so quick that his legs were still doing a bit of a Zab and the ref stopped it because of it. If he'd had the presence of mind and the experience he could have chilled out for a near 10 count and regained much of his legs. At the very least, the ref wouldn't have stopped it and it's remotely possible that he could have gotten back into it. He might also have jumped up just to get KTFO again. :dunno:

Agree or disagree? I personally think he probably would. So far, we've seen him in one fight where he looked great and one fight where I could have shot myself from frustration and boredom. Guerrero has looked good, but also very vulnerable in both outings.

He kept trying to associate Arce and Marquez together as two cheats, for working with Heredia and kept talking about Arce having this huge, pumped up body. The guy looked more flab and generally undefined than I've ever seen him in a big fight. What the hell was the cunt talking about? Because Arce looks like he tried to bulk up, but instead just got fat, he must clearly be on mountains of roids? Donaire, working with Conte, who has actually had fighters test positive most recently, is completely clean, praise worthy and because he and Pac are both Filipino they can't be cheats? The guy is a complete disgrace and is obviously on the take big time from TR. I've never heard a measly commentator go off so much on one guy, while making sure to associate Arce with him as part of it all, and then praise his opponent so extremely even though both are in exactly the same situation. Both work with known previous PEDs suppliers, Conte and Heredia, but Heredia is actually a federal informant and worker now, while Conte has had his fighters test positive most recently. Heredia hasn't and actually works with the government now. They are both willing to do random, full blood testing, but the cunt spoke as if Marquez didn't come back clean and didn't want to get tested and tried to get out of it, when we all know it was Arum and Pac that didn't want it. He's a goddamned corrupt fiend. How much did Arum pass under the table to get him to sound off on Marquez like that to try and taint it all, while making sure his next star, Donaire, stayed angelic and bathed in the heavenly glow of 'the clean fighter' even though he's in the same situation as Marquez?

What was Alvarado thinking using that stupid damn philly shell defense? If you have serious defensive liabilities that's the last thing you should be trying. If you have slow reflexes and are easy to hit, especially on the inside, then using that leaves you very open and vulnerable to big shots and guess what? Alvarado got caught trying to use boxing techniques that no trainer in his right mind would have him using! Now, not to slag on his trainer cause I'm sure I heard him saying to Alvarado to stop using it as it wasn't working, but he just kept doing it thinking that he was the one with the boxing skills. This is what happens kids when you try to fight like Mayweather and Toney without having any of the skill, speed, reflexes, general savvy and experience in that style. You get KTFO! Why did he think that would work? If you're a slow, power punching guy with major defensive liabilities that breaks guys down and uses strength and power to win fights rather than defensive counter punching, then coming into your biggest career fight using a style that shouldn't even be thought about is just incredible. I could not believe my eyes when he came out using it. I thought he was taking the piss for a minute then he just stayed in it while getting hit with right hand and left hook over and over on the inside. Really hate it when fighters do stupid **** like that and lose a fight because of it. Maybe he would have lost anyway, but from what had transpired in both of their offensive games, it looked to me that Alvarado could have certainly won it without such a moronic game plan. What could he have been thinking? "Hmmm, maybe with my complete lack of any defensive skill, using one hand to block shots will be better than two! Lets do it!"

Seriously, couldn't he have thought of something better than that? The Problem? It sounds like some ****ing green teef, limey, old bunch of cunts talking about something over tea....'The Problem?' 'Oh yes, The Problem, what shall we do about The Problem old chap?' 'I've got it all under control.' Capital. Capital. Maybe if he was a Limey Brit cunt. But really, some fake ghetto gangster from the US? Maybe just Adrien 'Boner' Broner? Boner could be taken to mean making someone stiff i.e. knocking them out.

Or was it just me that found that whole incident very odd? That was surely the strangest act of mocking an opponent I think I've ever seen. Standing in front of him and looking constipated. I thought it would be a big topic of conversation in NSB and there would be gif after gif floating around....:thinking: Usually when I think of someone mocking another opponent or trying to get under their skin, it's with rather more style; think Morales against Pac mocking his throwing the arms up in the air gesture or Barrera slamming Hamed's head into the ring post (a great personal favourite of mine, and not so much a taunt but just a great move that Hamed had coming for a long time), Hatton saying to the ref "Are you trying to **** me over?" and then pointedly offering up his arse or Calzaghe showing who the 'lion' in that pair was, so to speak, when Hopkins was flopping about on the ground so I was rather baffled to see Donaire's choice of taunt. I've always thought that actually trying to take a dump in the ring was more likely to make you look like a dick instead of the opponent. Each to his own I guess.....:dunno:

Well, would it? It would become a proper super fight, with both guys needing to prove their worth still, with both thinking they didn't need to prove anything beforehand. It'a a fascinating set of fights that need to be won or lost by both guys.What happens if only one loses? What happens if both lose (the preferred decision for me) or what happens if both win in boring, ugly, indecisive fashion? Personally, I would love it if both lost. There have been greater fights, between greater fighters, at greater times, for greater legacy......the hype this fight has now gotten has gone beyond great promotion or whatever else into simple idiocy and pointlessness. This fight never needed anything approaching this level of supposed 'hype'....it's gone well beyond that into frustrating even casual viewers. It's just another boxing fight and when all is said and done it is going to go in the same record books as all the other boxing fights as just another super fight, championship boxing match between two fighters, who in terms of comparison historically, are entirely undeserving of both the monetary and legacy value if the fight goes anything less than a straight up all out war on the level of Castillo/Corrales, Gatti/Ward. It needs to live up to those heights to even talk about sitting on the same table as the hype it created. However, all of that gets taken away if they both lose and thus we don't get another repeat of Mayweather/Oscar, which was the rebirth of nothing more than a massive dump I took in the middle of it cause I didn't give a ****e who won anymore. I want a ****ing Super Fight to be a Super Fight, between two Super Fighters! Not a couple of scrags showing up to be whored out to the highest bidder. I want another Leonard/Duran, Ali/Frazier, Leonard Hearns, Hagler/Hearns, Morales/Barrera, Ali/Foreman.....I want a real Super Fight, between two people who show up wanting to prove themselves to be called Fighters worthy of this Super Fight and I want them to live up to those past fighters who have actually fought super fights in their 'Super Fight'.

I don't really get what the interest in Visionqwest is? Does it somehow relate to his fighting or the matches he's going to be making? Why is it getting such news? Initially I ignored it, thinking it was just some boring news about his accounting details, none of which I give the slightest toss about, but there just seemed to be so much interest that I finally read something about it, only to find out that it's indeed about nothing more than his accounting details. Why is this creating such a stir? Is it because Bob Arum and Kuntz are trying to screw Pac over? If you didn't already know that about five years ago, you're thick as a brick. It's Bob Arum and Kuntz people! What did you expect? For Arum to be storing Pac's money safely away for only Pac to use on a rainy day? :lol1: Pac will be broke before he ever finishes his boxing career, and if he's lucky to have something left when he does, it'll be gone in a few years.

Mora had a threefold effect on that fight in all. First, he took the shine away from a great fight and put the spotlight on himself and possible points deductions and 'what if' scenarios that were based on ref decisions rather than fighting. Secondly, he ruined what may have been a fair and great fight from early on by not taking a point early on and possibly stopping it all in its tracks. Third, and this may be the worst part, is that he made Mares look bad by association. No doubt you are going to hear all the usual stuff of "Mares is a cunt", "He shouldn't have won with that corrupt crap" etc etc. The fact is that Mares probably won that fight without the extra point for the low-blow, but we won't really know. I, for one, thought for such a young guy to have fought back to back to back the top three fighters at bantam, and some of the best fighters in the sport full stop, without a loss, showing great heart, will, and skill was hugely commendable. The effort he put in tonight was different from his usual slow start, strong finish and I think it hurt him a little, but that was one hell of a fight by him. The problem is that all of that is going to brushed aside because of the ref and promotion team.....it has nothing to do with Mares. His performance, aside from the countless lowblows, was fantastic and I gave him that fight even if he'd had a point taken away for that last 'knock down' lowblow. It was a real pity that a young, champion with a great showing will have everything dismissed and even be ridiculed because of the ref. What the ref shouldn't take away from the performance of Mares, and yet it will. Saying all that, Agbeko had his balls beaten to a pulp and we don't know how much that effected his game. To what extent would it have changed had he not been low blowed etc..... I personally think a rematch is in order with a new ref. Cleaner fight (:lol1: I say cleaner because both guys are well known already for their dirty fights; both had shockingly dirty showings against the Batty Crab Darchinyan. Mares and his lowblows and Agbeko and his headbutts that could have shown Bradley and Hopkins a thing or two) with the focus on the fight rather than elsewhere. Would be a great fight I think.

On Williams/Lara the first thing I noticed.....Was that Williams was not 'flat' like some said or not trained properly and didn't take Lara seriously etc etc. From someone who has watched all his fights since Mitchell or so but never been his fan (keen observer and boxing fan rather: just like I watch Pac or Mayweather, Cotto or Haye) and as such, I can honestly say he looked as sharp as I've ever seen him and more pumped up and ready to show a major comeback than ever. Everyone just has to understand that any other opponent, apart from Lara or someone very similar, and Williams would have looked a million bucks against 'em. Lara had trained greater for this fight though than any other! He has more skill than Williams, more speed, more experience from an amateur POV and knew just how to fight him and what to do. This win for Lara had everything to do with his skill and gameplan and nothing to do with Williams being suddenly shot, scared, not caring blah blah blah. It is funny though how every fighter today that gets knocked out is all of a sudden SHOT! Out of the blue, just shot. Like that. Doesn't hold up over history.

Didn't see it mentioned previously after Haye/Klit, but that punch by Ola Afolabi on the undercard was an absolute peach of a shot. Stunning one punch KO, perfectly set up and countered over a lazy jab! Lights out. Brutal. If you haven't see it, do yourself a favour and check it out.

Definitely fighter of the year. I don't think anyone else comes close. Whips Pavlik for the 'lineal' middleweight title (whatever that means. Lineal isn't really even relevant any more), or just the main 160 title then ices the most feared and avoided fighter in the sport (supposedly anyway) in two rounds with the KO of the year too! Sexy Serge not only tops the P4P Dish list but he also gets FOTY honours without any doubt. Pavlik and Williams. Two of the biggest names and two of the biggest wins, along with winning and defending the MW title. :boxing:

I realised something recently. After seeing the million threads on this topic and hearing all the constant chatter about it, but most interestingly, seeing Roach and his camp say they are worried over this choice of opponent I started thinking "Why did they choose this fight?' Apart from the obvious of he's all but done, lost his last big fight by horrible KO, looked terrible in his last outing and has only fought three time in three years and is also a Top Rank fighter, surely there were better choices? Well, one thing that I'm sure many people don't realise is that, apart from Mosley, every other one of his losses have been to southpaws. Margarito can't beat them. He doesn't know how to let his hands go against them. His way to win is to pressure and throw a large volume of punches. Against southpaws he throws less than the average for welterweights. His one other blemish, that being a NC, was also to a southpaw and it was also a fight he was losing. This is the one other point that made me realise he doesn't stand a chance and I have a feeling he also realises he probably can't win.

With everything happening in this fight, from the hand wrap issue, Margarito getting absolutely plastered by Mosley (pun intended) and then struggling like a second rate hack contender against a nobody to Roach and Pac talking all the stuff about Margarito being a lying cheat and how they are going to knock him out, and Margarito training hard and talking **** back (from the wrap issue to the Roach issue) to HBO's ridiculous 24/7 series and Arum/Pac's team shoving 'distractions' in the Pac camp down our throats like nothing else to then cutting to Margarito training hard and saying "While Margarito trains for the fight of his life"...... Every ****ing fool and his dog has been massively sucked in to this fight. I can probably guarantee that 90% of this board said they were not going to watch this fight, everyone should boycott it, it was ridiculous and Margarito didn't stand a chance. Hell, he just got knocked out by an old man who nearly got beat by Mayorga, then got shut out by Money Mai, then very arguably got beat and couldn't do **** against ****ing Contender boy. Now, this fight is absolutely all that is being talked about now, and every single person here is dying to see it. Marg has done his job. Roach has done his job. Pac has done his job (I love the humble slant that constantly gets pegged onto Pac; humble? Get ****ed!). Arum has done something else with this. As he said recently "The public can go **** themselves". That's right. He has told each and every one of you people who are going to buy this or watch it and hype it up to go **** yourselves.

I've always wanted for this nickname and now it works perfectly and makes brilliant sense. They could really call Kermit Cintron, instead of Kermit 'The Killer' Cintron... Kermit 'The Frog' Cintron. No, not because he's French. He's not you idiots. But, because he leapfrogged out of the ring! What better name? Can you just hear Buffer calling it? "Keeerrrmit 'The Froooooggg' Cintrooooooooooooon! Who's with me on The Frog?

He has feelings too you know! Why can't ya'll just leave him alone! :crying:

I haven't seen anything about Clottey having started his training yet. I know Pac has and there are threads and photos and all the usual shite, but I still haven't heard any word of Clottey's trainer issues and whether he has even started training? If he hasn't he will have a seriously difficult time just making weight let alone getting in any possible fighting condition for the biggest fight of his career. Not only did the trainer stuff stop him starting a week ago or two weeks ago or whenever it was, but even if all went smoothly he would have not had enough time to get in full, peak condition with the short amount of notice he had. Clottey hadn't fought in ages, and Pac had only just had a fight with Cotto, so he won't have any trouble getting back in shape in five minutes. Clottey, on the other hand, would have needed a full training camp for this fight and he's only got a very, very short one as it stands. Maybe Arum etc realise this and that's why they are putting Pac in with Clottey? They know he won't be at full peak condition. I don't know. I just hope he can at least have a half decent training camp, but, we will not see the best Clottey with such a short time to go.

One of the greatest looking prospects to come about in quite a while will be fighting soon. Jose Benavides was a tremendous amateur and at JWW or whatever and standing six feet tall has a huge advantage and only 17 years of age turning pro! His skill is very good too. Great boxer with a lot of mature fighting skill and experienced tactics. Really looking forward to this. He is a fighting a 2-0 Steven Cox whom I know nothing about.

Gents, just wondering how you embed videos? If someone could let me know with a few succinct, understandable steps I would be very grateful.

Was very underrated. Got beaten up by Chavez very badly in an easy fight for Chavez.

The BW division has what may be the best possible fights in all of boxing. With a round robin tourney similar to The Super Six, we could see any number of FOTY contests and also see what becomes of some of the top prospects and best unknown champs in boxing. Hozumi Hasegawa Yohnny Perez Fernando Montiel Anselmo Moreno Joseph Agbeko Wladimir Sidorenko Neohmar Cermeno Along with one of the great prospects Abner Mares. What do we think here gentlemen?