If Wladimir beats various untested contenders, will he be considered a top ten ATG?

Looking at his record, he already beat all the various untested contenders.

Half of Ali's opponents wouldn't even be able to compete at HW today. The same experts who calculated that Marciano is the heavyweight champ with the highest KO'ratio would turn away from the TV sets if Klitschko's KO victims would be at an average of 190 lbs. Steve Cunningham outweighs them by 15 lbs. What if Wladimir chose 40 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers (200 lbs and below) or chose 49 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers, former cruisers and bums (yes, that's Marciano's record in a nutshell)??? The same nostalgic tossers measuring Wladimir Klitschko against previous golden champs would throw up if Wladimir Klitschko actually fought opponents like those champs fought. Joe Louis can hold such legendary records because included in his 26 title wins are opponents like the ATG Billy Conn 174 lbs and bums like Tony Musto (37-30). :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

Half of Ali's opponents wouldn't even be able to compete at HW today. The same experts who calculated that Marciano is the heavyweight champ with the highest KO'ratio would turn away from the TV sets if Klitschko's KO victims would be at an average of 190 lbs. Steve Cunningham outweighs them by 15 lbs. What if Wladimir chose 40 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers (200 lbs and below) or chose 49 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers, former cruisers and bums (yes, that's Marciano's record in a nutshell)??? The same nostalgic tossers measuring Wladimir Klitschko against previous golden champs would throw up if Wladimir Klitschko actually fought opponents like those champs fought. Joe Louis can hold such legendary records because included in his 26 title wins are opponents like the ATG Billy Conn 174 lbs and bums like Tony Musto (37-30).

Freedom often puts me on ignore then takes me off after a short while. Not sure why. He also say's you say things you haven't said, like he has to you here. Anyway, I think if Wlad continues to dominate for the next 5 years he will be Top 10. That's as long as he fights Top 10 guys and not the likes of Mormeck, Wach, Lepai level guys. One or two of that calibur fighter is fine but not as often as it's seeming to become. With the rate he's going at now, he's fighting 1 solid contender every 5th or 6th fight. So don't expect him to suddenly go all out fighting the likes of Stiverne, Fury, Wilder, Pulev, Chisora, Jennings etc etc. after each other. It's not gonna happen.

Freedom is a right troll when it comes to Wlad. Him and his fangirls swarm around those threads like flies on ****e, it's pathetic. Wlad is a great heavyweight for sure - but he's boring and his resume lacks genuine quality. He's the only great who's never beaten/fought an ATG/HOF in his whole career. That says something. But to Freedom and his little platoon - saying Wlad is a top 8-12 ATG heavy is an insult. When in fact, it's a great compliment considering the stinkyness of the era he's fighting in. Elaborate, elaborate.

I haven't seen any great that didn't fight an untested contender before.

Freedom often puts me on ignore then takes me off after a short while. Not sure why. He also say's you say things you haven't said, like he has to you here. Anyway, I think if Wlad continues to dominate for the next 5 years he will be Top 10. That's as long as he fights Top 10 guys and not the likes of Mormeck, Wach, Lepai level guys. One or two of that calibur fighter is fine but not as often as it's seeming to become.

Wlad's problem is simply that he doesn't have a Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Patterson, Liston, etc in his era. The closest he has had was Lennox Lewis, but Vitali was given that opportunity while Wlad was being tested. It's unfortunate for Wlad that he hasn't had another top Heavyweight who has been building a similar type of successful career to be considered his rival. The closest he was going to get was a better Haye. But Haye disappointed and actually hurt Wlad due to the nature of the performance. It basically put Haye in the category of someone not good enough. Same with Povetkin who at one point was looked at as the future, but his career stalled and then underwhelmed before he even fought Wlad. Therefor it's hard to really tell the lore of the great Wlad. Wlad's biggest accomplishment in my opinion is his longevity, Boxing IQ improvement and redemption vs Brewster. Other than that, he's dominated an era of never was, not readys and guys too small and unmotivated to give him a real test. Wlad is getting older himself. I think his last hopes that might add decent notches in his career are Wilder and Fury. Problem is Wilder is untested, so a dominant win would be written off by Wilder then being considered overrated. Fury is a trash talker, but nothing about him screams special but his height. If Wilder beats two top guys (Fury and Stivernne) in dominant fashion. Showing improvement and a chin. Then that could be "the fight". Right now it may still be "the fight"t that the public will clamor for (ala Lewis/Grant), but Wilder is considered untested. Fury and Stivernne would test him.

Someone in that thread said Wlad is the true #1 P4P. Everyone knows Floyd is the P4P king.pfp ratings are just a matter of opinion with no way to prove it. If someone thinks Wlad is the best pfp then he has as much right to believe that as you have to believe Mayweather is the best. Everyone knows Floyd is the P4P king is no argument at all. This guy thinks for himself and doesn't agree with everyone that thinks Mayweather is so great. I don't think Mayweather is the best pfp anymore myself. He sure didn't look like the best pfp in his hard and reasonably close fight with Maidana.

Freedom is a right troll when it comes to Wlad. Him and his fangirls swarm around those threads like flies on ****e, it's pathetic. Wlad is a great heavyweight for sure - but he's boring and his resume lacks genuine quality. He's the only great who's never beaten/fought an ATG/HOF in his whole career. That says something. But to Freedom and his little platoon - saying Wlad is a top 8-12 ATG heavy is an insult. When in fact, it's a great compliment considering the stinkyness of the era he's fighting in.

Many consider him a top ten great heavyweight from what he has already done even if he retired right now. He always fights the top challengers he just can't fight them all in the same month. Whoever he is suppose to be ducking now he will probably fight him before the year is over.

Someone in that thread said Wlad is the true #1 P4P. Everyone knows Floyd is the P4P king.

I'll do it for you, because this is the only post in which I even talked about Wlads opponents and I know you won't do it, because you're a little turdly ****stick and because it's not there and you know it. First part of post deleted, because it has no relevance to Wlad or Freedoms BS. "I think Wlad is already borderline top 10 if not in it already, so if he did that, then yes, he would make it. We still have to see what these guys do themselves though. Just beating them doesn't mean anything, particularly not in an historical sense of ranking someone among the ATGs. They have to show themselves to be legit champions or just excellent fighters by the rest of their own career, on its own standing. So, we really won't know and can't say anything about it, even if he did beat them, until they have proven to be worthy opponents that would actually mean something historically. People forget these days within the heavyweight division, that unless a contender proves himself great by having a great career of his own accord and doing big things himself, other than just getting to a ranked position with a win over some unknown, then fighting Wlad, it's not anything special, nor even good. It's just another random win over a bad quality opponent. They have to show themselves to be good, with their own great career. Not many are doing that at the moment. It's not as if guys like Fury, Wilder, Pulev etc are lighting the division on fire with their own quality wins, hard fights and great skills. Take Solis for example. He has already proven to be a serious dud. He had potential as an amateur, but it was never realised as a pro and he has turned out to be absolutely nothing through his own laziness. So if one were to use him as an example, it's not a good win, because he's not a good fighter as a pro. Vitali destroying him in one round showed that pretty quick! Whereas someone like Chris Byrd proved himself a top opponent with his own excellent career, with a long reign as a top ranked fighter, becoming a champion, and excellent wins over great opponents himself." Ok, so that is my full and only post talking about it. Like I said Freedom, you seriously lack comprehension skills, because what you took to be me saying "all his opponents are bums" actually reads "other than just getting to a ranked position with a win over some unknown, then fighting Wlad, it's not anything special, nor even good. It's just another random win over a bad quality opponent." and that is talking about the possible future opponents ie people he hasn't even fought yet, so I'm not saying his opponents were bums because he hasn't even fought them yet. Comprehend? The context of that quote is that unless a fighter proves himself outside of his one shot at Wlad, and I'm still talking your hypothetical future opponents here, and doesn't do anything besides get a shot and lose, then it's not a significant win. So, if he fought Fury and beat him, then Fury goes on to have a great career afterward besides that shot, then it's a good win. If he doesn't, then it's not a good win. Do you comprehend? Future opponents, and having their own excellent career besides a Wlad shot. Explain how that equals, in your brain, that "all of Wlads opponents are bums"? I then even go on to mention very specifically that his opponents weren't all bums, because I talk about one of his best wins and why it was good, and how it could be proven by these possible future opponents. Any of this getting through yet?

Lewis is better than both Klits.

Wlad has a case of being a top 10 heavyweight no due to longevity imoo, his resume is far from great but so was Holmes and Tysons

No, I mentioned that to counter what you said about all of Wladimir's opponents being bums. 2008 Thompson, a 6'5" strong, durable awkward southpaw would have been a tough fight for any heavyweight and any time. Klitschko's opponents were NOT bums, that's my point. And the heavyweights of the past that you worship were not gods, they were just men. Quote me then....go and find that quote where I said all of his opponents were bums, and paste it in here. I'll wait happily. I think you'll find I said very much the opposite. You just have trouble with perspective and comprehension. Nonetheless, find the quote in which I said 'all of Wlads opponents are bums' and paste it here.