One thing I will say about MMA that i prefer over boxing....

[Legends456]

Exactly, before TBE made his coveted sacred holy "0" the be all end all, the true GOAT of boxing was still recognized as the GOAT despite having 5 losses on his record.

That's one of the big reasons the top guys in boxing don't want to face the other top guys now.

It's spilled over a bit to MMA as well with Khabib and getting overrated a bit with his 0 loss record.

I personally still rank guys with losses to their names like Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong, SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns, and Roberto Durán above the unbeaten guys like Menayothin (54-0), Mayweather (50-0), Marciano (49-0), Calzaghe (46-0), and Ward (32-0).

Good point about Nurmagomedov, by the way. I feel he is equal to Mayweather in terms of his MMA skill (not boxing, of course), and it will be interesting to see if when all is said and done, he retires with his zero like Mayweather did.

[Legends456]

I think the flaw in the reasoning is those other guys have completed their career while Fury and Loma are still fighting.

I think it completely fair to re-evaluate an athlete as you get more information.

Wins and losses don’t make a fighter less talented, but they do give us a better sense of how good they are.

I have not suggested Loma is any less talented because he lost. In fact, if you check the rbr thread, I point out how his great defense kept him from being totally dominated early.

From a greatness standpoint, This fight brings that into question if for no other reason than the fact he didn’t fight for 6 rounds.

He looked totally unprepared for what Teo brought to the ring.

Let’s see where he goes from here. I can respect your opinion but if he ends up With losses to the best guys on his resume then I think many will re evaluate.

I dont see how that isn’t fair.

I’ve always been a Loma fan because I like that sort of style of fighting. But he has a specific weakness, I think. He doesn’t take consistent pressure too well. I noticed that also in the Campbell fight, in that case he was still able to win. But I think an elite pressure fighter will beat Loma most times.

[TheBoxGod]

two different sports, with vastly different emphasis. However a lost is a lost no matter that the sport it just happen that the fighters on UFC/MMA side are under one umbrella so really a fight doesnt hurt you cause you can still get fights cause others figthers are under the same umbrella so neither of you two have any options to eventally fight each other. In boxing this is true to with figthers like Adrien Broner who lost after lost still gets the Main Events fights cause he is in good with Al Haymon so Al Haymon keeps in flooded with great fights from the PBC stable and his lost dont really matter however a fighter like say Chris Martin after his lost everyone washed their hands of him cause no one cares about him so his lost had more drastic effects than a broner.

[KillaMane26]

In MMA, a loss doesn't kill your career or your reputation the same way that it does in Boxing

what i mean is, in MMA you are expected to lose, but your not seen as a ruined or a washover... you can still become great and be viewed at as great.

In boxing, its different fans will call you a "bum" or "over the hill" as soon as you lose. there seems to be alot more stake for a loss in boxing then in MMA. I tend to prefer the latter, I think we are too harsh to people that lose in boxing. We always say their done or a bum and I think its quite silly to be honest

I agree 150%

MMA fans are more respectful to their fighters.

[TMLT87]

But Fedor is exactly what I’m talking about. As soon as he’s exalted or anointed as the greatest thing in MMA didn’t he start getting KTFO in a couple of minutes every time out?

No, he went 10 years and 30+ fights undefeated as a chubby 5'11 HW, was considered the best HW in the world from the time he won the Pride HW title in 2003 through to losing for the first time in 2010, and was no1 on a lot of peoples p4p lists for a lot of that time too. He had a brutal decline, but that 2000s version of him is still the most well rounded and skilled HW of all time even now.

Just like, “Chuck Liddell is a legit badass!!! Oh, someone go help him up.”

“Ronda Rousey is the baddest woman ever to compete!!! Oops, give her some smelling salts and help find her teeth.”

Etc., etc.

Chuck WAS a legit badass. He was one of the best fighters the sport had seen at that time. Before he started declining hard in his late 30s he was 20-3 with two of the three losses avenged.

As for Ronda, you're talking womens MMA, just like womens boxing the bar isnt exactly high. But within that context, yeah, she was pretty impressive for a while. All but one of her 12 wins were in the first round, 8 of them lasted under a minute. She was also an olympic medallist in judo before entering MMA.


And again, talking about losses and records is apples to oranges with boxing. With the smaller gloves, the lack of standing counts and all the other things at play, (plus the relative lack of record padding and cherry picking) its much harder to stay undefeated for long periods in MMA, especially if you're in the UFC. Canelo is 53-1, GGG is 40-1, Crawford is 36-0, even ****ing Wilder is 42-1, but in terms of actual meaningful fights theres hardly anything there compared to the guys that are considered MMA greats.

[TMLT87]

Good point about Nurmagomedov, by the way. I feel he is equal to Mayweather in terms of his MMA skill (not boxing, of course), and it will be interesting to see if when all is said and done, he retires with his zero like Mayweather did.

I think as it stands if he wins this weekend he will be another 3-4 quality wins (guys like Ferg and Chandler) off entering that Mt Rushmore Anderson/GSP/Jones/Fedor level. Hes still only 32 and has been dominant so far so its doable, but he'd have to fight more regularly than he has been.

[Legends456]

I think as it stands if he wins this weekend he will be another 3-4 quality wins (guys like Ferg and Chandler) off entering that Mt Rushmore Anderson/GSP/Jones/Fedor level. Hes still only 32 and has been dominant so far so its doable, but he'd have to fight more regularly than he has been.

Yes I think you’re right.

[CHOWWOKKA]

I think its more excusable in mma to lose because there is more randomness and even luck. There are way more dimensions so more things are left unknown and thats why losses don't really effect you too much.

[NYG]

Which is why boxing will always be a joke. The fanbase is a joke. A guy loses to a good fighter, he's a bum. He wins every fight against bums, he needs to fight someone good and he loses, he's a bum. I wouldn't risk my 0 either, not for this fanbase.

[TMLT87]

I think its more excusable in mma to lose because there is more randomness and even luck. There are way more dimensions so more things are left unknown and thats why losses don't really effect you too much.

Yep. Theres much more chance of a fight ending in a split second out of nowhere in MMA. The smaller gloves, the lack of standing counts after knockdowns, eight different weapons to KO people with instead of two, submissions etc all just make it a lot more likely a fighter will slip up at some point no matter how good they are. Which is why boxing style undefeated records are so uncommon.