One thing I will say about MMA that i prefer over boxing....

[MartialMind]

You can blame Mayweather for that. He has indoctrinated and poisoned the mind of all boxing fans.

Exactly, before TBE made his coveted sacred holy "0" the be all end all, the true GOAT of boxing was still recognized as the GOAT despite having 5 losses on his record.

That's one of the big reasons the top guys in boxing don't want to face the other top guys now.

It's spilled over a bit to MMA as well with Khabib and getting overrated a bit with his 0 loss record.

[saintpat]

In MMA, a loss doesn't kill your career or your reputation the same way that it does in Boxing

what i mean is, in MMA you are expected to lose, but your not seen as a ruined or a washover... you can still become great and be viewed at as great.

In boxing, its different fans will call you a "bum" or "over the hill" as soon as you lose. there seems to be alot more stake for a loss in boxing then in MMA. I tend to prefer the latter, I think we are too harsh to people that lose in boxing. We always say their done or a bum and I think its quite silly to be honest

It doesn’t in boxing either.

It just gives people on message boards something to crow and yap about.

Canelo lost to PBF and he’s doing OK.

Joshua lost and got the title back.

Pac lost fights and is STILL viable (at least for one last big go).

Tyson and Holyfield made mints after their first defeats.

I could name more top boxers who haven’t won every time out who are still big names and still making big fights than you can undefeated guys who are at the top.

[TMLT87]

I agree.

Notice how NOBODY can criticize their fighters 'Stephen A Smith was attacked for giving his honest opinion' and the Mixed Martial Arts world? Attempted to make out, that he said something very wrong.

Cowboy Cerrone is meant to be some kind of cult legend, for what exactly? Receiving opportunities to continually fight 'Big deal'.

Look at the look on Rogan's face 'How dare you say anything bad about a UFC fighter, we are the world's most supreme athletes and fighters'

Conor has gotten a **** ton of criticism from fans (its like a 50/50 split) and that fight got a **** ton of criticism including claims of it being fixed. Joe himself gets criticism all the time including calls for him to just **** off now, same with Dana. Its more that people just dont like Stephen A Smith and didnt want him involved with the sport in the first place, I dont think most boxing fans like the guy much either.

[Eff Pandas]

It’s Floyd’s fault bro.

He tainted boxing with his “0”

Floyd fans won’t admit it, but it’s true

How? Break this down in a real way that's logical besides just saying it.

Boxing has been about 0's & L's have been awful before Floyd. I remember fanboy dipsh^ts saying that guys like SRR & Jack Johnson were lesser cuz they had so many L's before Floyd ever turned pro. Rocky Marciano was worshipped for his perfect record well before Floyd was born.

[TMLT87]

Do UFC fans care as much about P4P rankings? I mean I’m pretty sure UFC even has their own P4P rankings but is it nearly as much of a talking point as it is in boxing?

Pretty much the same imo. I think most people have a vague idea of who the p4p level talents are supposed to be, and know that either Jones or Khabib are at the top right now.

[Mextli99]

I assume you’re agreeing with me?

Who is the Muhammad Ali/Sugar Ray Robinson of MMA? Who has had a Joe Louis-type reign?

The mostly pop up as the OMG next big thing and the next thing you know they’re done.

All three people he just named are easily the greatest in their divisions and will be studied and looked upon as father figures of the young sport for decades to come. Especially Silva and Fedor who more or less undefeated for 10 years while crafting a resume that’d make Klitschko bush at least in MMA. Fedor’s reign at the top realistically will not be topped this or next generation.

[Toffee]

It's paying fans that dictate this.

History tells promoters that an unbeaten record gives credibility that fans will buy.

They're just playing the game.

The obvious answer is not to buy bs fights.

[saintpat]

All three people he just named are easily the greatest in their divisions and will be studied and looked upon as father figures of the young sport for decades to come. Especially Silva and Fedor who more or less undefeated for 10 years while crafting a resume that’d make Klitschko bush at least in MMA. Fedor’s reign at the top realistically will not be topped this or next generation.

That sounds wonderful. I’m sure they’ll enjoy their studies.

But Fedor is exactly what I’m talking about. As soon as he’s exalted or anointed as the greatest thing in MMA didn’t he start getting KTFO in a couple of minutes every time out?

What is he, like 35-5? Yeah, that’s your Muhammad Ali right there.

Textbook MMA.

Just like, “Chuck Liddell is a legit badass!!! Oh, someone go help him up.”

“Ronda Rousey is the baddest woman ever to compete!!! Oops, give her some smelling salts and help find her teeth.”

Etc., etc.

[Mextli99]

That sounds wonderful. I’m sure they’ll enjoy their studies.

But Fedor is exactly what I’m talking about. As soon as he’s exalted or anointed as the greatest thing in MMA didn’t he start getting KTFO in a couple of minutes every time out?

What is he, like 35-5? Yeah, that’s your Muhammad Ali right there.

Textbook MMA.

Just like, “Chuck Liddell is a legit badass!!! Oh, someone go help him up.”

“Ronda Rousey is the baddest woman ever to compete!!! Oops, give her some smelling salts and help find her teeth.”

Etc., etc.

Nobody rates Chuck or Ronda that high since their skill ceilings were pretty low. Fedor just was THE MAN and proved it over and over and over while being undersized and dominated at HW. In his prime he was a HW moving like a MW **** was unreal. Remember the other losses came at the end of his career when his age and athleticism lose came quickly to him. In laments terms he is our Ali and decades down the line he and his matches will still be watched and studied by up and coming fighters. Then again most people won’t give him his praises until after he’s dead so at least him and other ATG fighters have that in common smh.

[Legends456]

That’s one of the things I hate about MMA.

Someone gets hyped as the next big thing and then they get mauled and ... along comes another next big thing.

As a very, very casual MMA fan in all the years it has been around to me you never see anyone rise to greatness. you’re ‘great’ today and gone tomorrow. There are no Muhammad Ali’s or Sugar Ray Robinsons who raise the level of the game and set a standard.

I respectfully disagree with that. Nurmagomedov is an “MMA Mayweather”, no matter what happens in his career next, he has already raised the sport. Jon Jones is similar to SRL in that he does everything quite well and has also raised the sport. I see your point, but I don’t agree entirely.