One thing I will say about MMA that i prefer over boxing....

[MoneyKasha]

In MMA, a loss doesn't kill your career or your reputation the same way that it does in Boxing

what i mean is, in MMA you are expected to lose, but your not seen as a ruined or a washover... you can still become great and be viewed at as great.

In boxing, its different fans will call you a "bum" or "over the hill" as soon as you lose. there seems to be alot more stake for a loss in boxing then in MMA. I tend to prefer the latter, I think we are too harsh to people that lose in boxing. We always say their done or a bum and I think its quite silly to be honest

[HewJohnson]

It’s Floyd’s fault bro.

He tainted boxing with his “0”

Floyd fans won’t admit it, but it’s true

[MUNG]

that's why a lot of the young gun's (and older one's too!) are so terrified of taking a loss, they see it as to be avoided at all cost's, no matter what the consequence's

u go the back of the line for big fight's and miss out on potentially easy fight's too potentially if u lose

[Mushroom]

Yup. Because MMA fighters are often a jack of all trades I think it’s easier for them to find ways to improve and come back. I think once you get to top level boxing you’ve probably been training in the same sport for decades you’re already relatively close to your ceiling.

For example Adesanya could get mauled in his next fight. He’s only a blue belt in BJJ and could legitimately train heavily in BJJ in a few years becoming maybe a brown belt far more capable of defending himself on the ground.

[The Big Dunn]

In MMA, a loss doesn't kill your career or your reputation the same way that it does in Boxing

what i mean is, in MMA you are expected to lose, but your not seen as a ruined or a washover... you can still become great and be viewed at as great.

In boxing, its different fans will call you a "bum" or "over the hill" as soon as you lose. there seems to be alot more stake for a loss in boxing then in MMA. I tend to prefer the latter, I think we are too harsh to people that lose in boxing. We always say their done or a bum and I think its quite silly to be honest

You are combining two separate things.

1. A loss doesn’t end a career. It just means you will have to take a different path back to the top.

In Loma’s case this means he can’t avoid the Haney’s or Berchelt’s of the world until after he has his big money fight. He now had to fight them if he wants to get back to making big money.

I think that is fair.

2. What posters say to other posters has no impact on where a fighter is in their career.

The people making fun of Loma and calling him overrated are responding to those extreme Loma fans that had him as an ATG after 15 fights.

Loma isn’t a bum in any way. He did however get outboxed by a young, relatively untested fighter.

If that happened to any fighter posters would re-evaluate their previous opinion of the fighter that got outboxed.

[buddyr]

You are combining two separate things.

1. A loss doesn’t end a career. It just means you will have to take a different path back to the top.

In Loma’s case this means he can’t avoid the Haney’s or Berchelt’s of the world until after he has his big money fight. He now had to fight them if he wants to get back to making big money.

I think that is fair.

2. What posters say to other posters has no impact on where a fighter is in their career.

The people making fun of Loma and calling him overrated are responding to those extreme Loma fans that had him as an ATG after 15 fights.

Loma isn’t a bum in any way. He did however get outboxed by a young, relatively untested fighter.

If that happened to any fighter posters would re-evaluate their previous opinion of the fighter that got outboxed.

Loma groupies are still hurt. I’m not gonna stop. The more they cry, the worse it is gonna get.

[Ca$ual Fan]

In MMA(UFC in particular), they actually care less whether the fighter wins or losses. They mostly care on how the fighter perform in the octagon even in a losing effort.

I’ve seen a fighter in there that bored alot of fans to the point of people booing. I’ve never seen that guy featuring again in a UFC event even though he won that last fight via decision.

I’ve also seen fighters that kept on losing almost every fight but still is kept on almost every UFC cards. Chris Leben comes to mind. He’s a loser but keeps on exciting fans in a losing effort.

Very good point in this thread. Boxers should actually stop this mindset of making ‘0’ a big thing. For the good of the fans and for the good of the sport. Losing is not the end of the world

[kafkod]

The people making fun of Loma and calling him overrated are responding to those extreme Loma fans that had him as an ATG after 15 fights.

Breadman commented on this in one of his mailbags. He said that ATG status is determined by how fighters perform at the highest level, and Loma has won more world title fights than other fighters who are considered ATG, eg Sugar Ray Leonard.

The fact that he did it with so few total fights should strengthen his case, not weaken it.

[Johnny2x2x]

MMA is one stop shopping for the most part. The UFC controls the storylines completely in the US.

I watch some MMA and watch their promotions of "big" fights. They are masters of making any matchup seem like a huge fight. They do a good job of convincing their fans that this is a pick em fight that is massively relevant, they rarely promote records. I remember watching a promo and thinking to myself, "wow, these fighters are both big time, this must be a massive fight for that division." The you look up the records and it's between a guy who is 7-4 and a guy who is 15-12. A nobody vs a has been.

[The Big Dunn]

Breadman commented on this in one of his mailbags. He said that ATG status is determined by how fighters perform at the highest level, and Loma has won more world title fights than other fighters who are considered ATG, eg Sugar Ray Leonard.

The fact that he did it with so few total fights should strengthen his case, not weaken it.

I would disagree. He got the title shots early because of who his promoter was. He also didn’t beat the same quality of opposition that a ray leonard has defeated.

You can argue that the 3 best openers Loma has fought are Salido, Lopez and Rigo. Throw in Russell if you wish.

He is 2-2 In those fights. He beat the smaller guys and lost to the bigger guys.

I think Loma is a great fighter but there is no way he is an ATG or some generational talent.