One thing I will say about MMA that i prefer over boxing....

[Johnny Rubber]

That’s one of the things I hate about MMA.

Someone gets hyped as the next big thing and then they get mauled and ... along comes another next big thing.

As a very, very casual MMA fan in all the years it has been around to me you never see anyone rise to greatness. you’re ‘great’ today and gone tomorrow. There are no Muhammad Ali’s or Sugar Ray Robinsons who raise the level of the game and set a standard.

As a very, very casual fan you will never fully appreciate what UFC represents to fight fans. You only have one person making the fights, so they get made week after week and "0's" don't really count for tish to the people who watch.

Unfortunately, boxing has maybe 2-3 meaningful fights a year now. Promotors spend more time fighting each other on social media than making actual fights.

[PRINCEKOOL]

That’s one of the things I hate about MMA.

Someone gets hyped as the next big thing and then they get mauled and ... along comes another next big thing.

As a very, very casual MMA fan in all the years it has been around to me you never see anyone rise to greatness. you’re ‘great’ today and gone tomorrow. There are no Muhammad Ali’s or Sugar Ray Robinsons who raise the level of the game and set a standard.

It is a tacky, microwavable sport, plastic in its ambiance.

As Bernard Hopkins once stated? We live in a microwavable age.

It attracts a certain type of mentality.

Their champions seem very empty 'Inside'. And that is because EVERYONE, seems to be promoted as a all time great etc 'It is obviously a marketing ploy, and it does quite well in this microwavable age'.

[TMLT87]

Their champions seem very empty 'Inside'. And that is because EVERYONE, seems to be promoted as a all time great etc

MMA has basically only existed since the 1990s, wouldnt it make sense that there are going to be a lot of fighters setting the bar in such a young sport?

[PRINCEKOOL]

MMA has basically only existed since the 1990s, wouldnt it make sense that there are going to be a lot of fighters setting the bar in such a young sport?

It is all made up mate.

Nobody is setting the bar.

Mixed Martial Arts has been around for just as long as boxing.

[TMLT87]

It is all made up mate.

Nobody is setting the bar.

Mixed Martial Arts has been around for just as long as boxing.

You're conflating stuff like ancient pankration or Gracie challenges with MMA, they arent comparable at all stylistically. So if none of the more recent guys are setting the bar who is the true GOAT of MMA then? can you show me an "MMA" fight from the 1950s that looks anything like MMA? which "MMA" fighters from 30+ years ago do you think could beat the current champions?

[PRINCEKOOL]

You're conflating stuff like ancient pankration or Gracie challenges with MMA, they arent comparable at all stylistically. So if none of the more recent guys are setting the bar who is the true GOAT of MMA then? can you show me an "MMA" fight from the 1950s that looks anything like MMA? which "MMA" fighters from 30+ years ago do you think could beat the current champions?

I don't care mate.

I don't really like the culture of Mixed Martial Arts, it attracts a certain type of personality 'And I have witnessed this in my life' the sport caters for weasels.

I did Karate as a kid 'I am not apposed to Martial arts, real martial arts'.

Mixed Martial Arts has a tacky, plastic, microwavable culture 'And on a street level? It does seem to attract a personality a character that I may dislike'.

[TMLT87]

I don't care mate.

I don't really like the culture of Mixed Martial Arts, it attracts a certain type of personality 'And I have witnessed this in my life' the sport caters for weasels.

I did Karate as a kid 'I am not apposed to Martial arts, real martial arts'.

Mixed Martial Arts has a tacky, plastic, microwavable culture 'And on a street level? It does seem to attract a personality a character that I may dislike'.

It sounds like you're just coming up with a bunch of abstract unquantifiable reasons to hate on the sport tbh. I mean wtf does "tacky, plastic, microwaveable culture" really mean and how does a typical boxing show differ from that other than the sport itself being older? why do UFC champions seem "empty" but the 50 or so current major belt holders in boxing dont?

There are idiots in every sports fanbase. Plus the whole Tapout/Affliction shirt wearing jock MMA fan stereotype is a relic from the 2000s and doesnt really apply anymore considering how much larger and more widespread the fanbase is now.

[Rick Taylor]

Breadman commented on this in one of his mailbags. He said that ATG status is determined by how fighters perform at the highest level, and Loma has won more world title fights than other fighters who are considered ATG, eg Sugar Ray Leonard.

The fact that he did it with so few total fights should strengthen his case, not weaken it.

paper titles mean nothing

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