Would Usyk school a prime "Big George" Foreman

[PRINCEKOOL]

Lol ...what bizarre comments these are!

Why on earth would Foreman "boil down to make 215", when he didn't need to make 215?

And why on earth would would a sub 200lb guy bulk himself up to 210/215, then boil back down to 200 in order to make weight?

That was the culture in heavyweight boxing back then 'The division had not yet entered into the bodybuilding ideology'.

Fighters such as Muhammad Ali & George Foreman where naturally bigger than most of these cruiser-weights you see knocking about these days 'Povetkin is the only classical styled heavyweight active today' Usyk in my opinion? Is not as solid at heavyweight as Povetkin.

Usyk has tanked himself up, training with Olympic power lifters in order to become a heavyweight 'If he was fighting in the 60's & 70's, I don't think he would be a heavyweight'.

Most of these fighters around today who have embraced sport science, and bodybuilding routines would not be the same fighters, if they competed in past era's 'Fighters like Floyd Mayweather, Lennox Lewis, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe would all maintain their abilities, even if they where transported back to the 1960's' Because fundamentally they where old school fighters 'In terms of training methodology'.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I haven't been duped by any media. I know a special fighter when I see one, and Usyk was special at 200lbs. Whether he'll cut it with some of the much bigger guys at HW remains to be seen.

I'm not going to argue about your opinions on EE fighters, though they do seem biased to me. But just sticking to the facts - Ali was not bigger than 6' 3" and Usyk doesn't need to body build in order to weigh more than 200lbs.

He walks around at 200+ and uses weights as part of his S&C regime, as do many other boxers nowadays.

There are a lot of people who walk around at 200 pounds 'What is your point?' How heavy is Fernando Vargas now? Maybe 200 pounds? You do understand what I am getting at.

Usyk in order to be solid at heavyweight, has to tank himself up 'Training with power-lifters and Olympic weight lifters'. Muhammad Ali or George Foreman did not have to tank themselves up etc.

Usyk was a solid fighter at Cruiser-weight, but I would still not describe him as special 'Tony Bellew was dead at the weight, but was still competitive and able to win rounds vs Usyk'.

Tony Bellew at heavyweight fully fed 'Was unable to win rounds, against David Haye in their first fight'. Haye won the first 6 rounds with his jab alone' Bellew was only able to imposed himself once Haye was injured.

I don't argue, just being direct with you.

[QueensburyRules]

Usyk is 6'3" and 215

Big George was 6'4" around 220

Not much of a size difference, and Usyk has handled brutal punchers like Bredis and Gassiev who are all over 220lb on fight night

I don't see how Big George handles a guy as quick and skilled

- -U nailed the "I don't see"
part.

George retired before his full prime that included being deliberately dehydrated before fights by Sadler.

None of U boys won Olympic gold at high altitude Mexico City with 20 AMA fights against pro Cubans and Soviets.

Big George never limited by U grub worm IQ and jelly physiology, so nothing else needs to be added.

[QueensburyRules]

There are a lot of people who walk around at 200 pounds 'What is your point?' How heavy is Fernando Vargas now? Maybe 200 pounds? You do understand what I am getting at.

Usyk in order to be solid at heavyweight, has to tank himself up 'Training with power-lifters and Olympic weight lifters'. Muhammad Ali or George Foreman did not have to tank themselves up etc.

Usyk was a solid fighter at Cruiser-weight, but I would still not describe him as special 'Tony Bellew was dead at the weight, but was still competitive and able to win rounds vs Usyk'.

Tony Bellew at heavyweight fully fed 'Was unable to win rounds, against David Haye in their first fight'. Haye won the first 6 rounds with his jab alone' Bellew was only able to imposed himself once Haye was injured.

I don't argue, just being direct with you.

- -Nobody makes a better case for U being stoostooSTOOPID than U do.

Bellew clowned Pinky Toe Haye who soiled hisself bigtime much like U.

[creekrat77]

Didn't Usyk getting his @ss kicked in the amateurs by Shawn Porter?
He not legend like that.

[kafkod]

Note:[/U][/B] If Usyk was a Scottish fighter, people would not be getting carried away with his technical abilities 'Eastern European fighters are stereotyped continually as being technically more superior or advanced than other fighters' this conditioning, has a impression on people's perceptions.

Fighters who win European, World, and Olympic gold medals as amateurs, then turn pro and win every world title belt in their division, plus the Ring magazine and lineal titles, all on the road in the opponent's back yard, are also stereotyped as being somehow superior to other fighters.

Crazy innit.

[kafkod]

Clearly you've never familiarized yourself with George Foreman, and lack the personal experience with Boxing to understand basic S&C strategy.
It's pretty clear, especially if you've Wrestled and played Football, that Boxing is an aerobic sport;

It's even more clear if you have trained and sparred with pro fighters and boxed competitively at international level as an amateur, which I have.

[kafkod]

We saw what George looked like when he didn't care about coming in lean. His style changed, though. Clearly, he wasn't perfectly fit. Nor was he as effective as he had been in his youth. But it's clear that George had kept himself very lean and avoided accruing unnecessary muscle mass in his youth, and for obvious reaso.

Are you seriously trying to prove your point by comparing Foreman in his first title reign, which ended when he lost to Ali in his mid twenties, to Foreman in his second title reign, which began when he KO'd Michael Moorer at the age of 45? Seriously?

[Rick Taylor]

prime Foreman would lose to Usyk worse than he did to the also swift (but nowhere near as good) Jimmy Young

Young beats up usyk.
Foreman might actually kill him tbh.

[kafkod]

There are a lot of people who walk around at 200 pounds 'What is your point?' How heavy is Fernando Vargas now? Maybe 200 pounds? You do understand what I am getting at.

Usyk in order to be solid at heavyweight, has to tank himself up 'Training with power-lifters and Olympic weight lifters'. Muhammad Ali or George Foreman did not have to tank themselves up etc.

Usyk was a solid fighter at Cruiser-weight, but I would still not describe him as special 'Tony Bellew was dead at the weight, but was still competitive and able to win rounds vs Usyk'.

Tony Bellew at heavyweight fully fed 'Was unable to win rounds, against David Haye in their first fight'. Haye won the first 6 rounds with his jab alone' Bellew was only able to imposed himself once Haye was injured.

I don't argue, just being direct with you.

Usyk doesn't train with power lifters and Olympic weight lifters in order to bulk himself up for HW. He trains with weights to increase his strength and explosive power. Check out this video. Turn on the sub-titles and hear what he says to his weightlifter training partner. That he hasn't gained any weight. His weight is the same as in the off-season and he isn't trying to alter it, just turn it into "another quality"