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Originally posted by Thraxox
Foreman's game plan was always the same - be stronger and more powerful than the opponent, and knock him TFO! It worked with most, but it didn't work with Ali in Kinshasa.
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It was Ali's rope-a-dope game plan, in the heat and humidity of an open air stadium in equatorial Africa, that beat Foreman. And the game plan worked because of Ali's extraordinary durability and punch resistance, rather than his skills, so I guess you're correct in that respect.
Foreman's game plan was always the same - be stronger and more powerful than the opponent, and knock him TFO! It worked with most, but it didn't work with Ali in Kinshasa. -
LOL, people are putting Usyk in Ali's class after the Witherspoon performance. You have to be kidding me.
What next? Usyk could **** with prime Frazier.Last edited by hhh1200; 10-05-2020, 10:27 AM.Comment
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I pick Foreman by 1st round KO. Foreman needs no schooling as he was a good boxer as well as a great puncher. He had a great left jab with accuracy and huge power. Usyk is never going to be a heavyweight champion but keep on dreaming. Usyk couldn't hurt Foreman with his best punches and Usyk is not even close to being as good or as tough as the Ali that did beat Foreman. Foreman would just walk right through Usyk and knock him out quickly in my opinion. Heavyweights as good as Frazier and Norton only lasted a couple of rounds with Foreman and I see no reason to think Usyk would do any better than they did.Comment
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Foreman's power would make Usyk have to use footwork the whole time and I think Usyk would get caught before the 5th.Comment
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Folks, this NEEDS to be reviewed when Usyk has fought a number of top heavyweights first. It is WAY too early for such an analysis. There has been ZERO sampling of Usyk against the heavyweight top tier. Discuss in 3 years from now.Comment
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Foreman knocks him out cleanComment
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Usyk is not great in any area, he is not particularly fast, does not hit particularly hard, his movement is also nothing special ether etc
Usyk is just fundamentally sound fighter, who is solid in every area 'This has served him well at Cruiser-weight, but he is not going to shake up the heavyweight division'.
Muhammad Ali was bigger than 6"3, also he did not need to bodybuild in order to be above 200 pounds.
Usyk is completely overrated 'There is nothing special about him, he has no defining attribute which jumps out at you'.
You have been duped by the media. Eastern European fighters 'Are promoted as being technically superior or more advanced than other fighters' This is a stereotype which is projected by the boxing media, when dealing with Eastern European fighters.
Usyk is a solid fighter, but in reality? He is nothing special, he is just a simple well grounded fighter 'He has no real great attributes, which you can describe as exceptional'.
The more he progresses into his heavyweight career 'The more people will start to challenge their own cognitive dissonance' I have watched how people CHANGE dramatically on these forums, and I have watched how SOME people are already questioning Usyk's greatness.
I have got nothing against the man, he is a solid fighter 'I am feel? All of that is great, fantastic'. I am just not one of these people who have been duped by the media, or people within the boxing community.
Note: If Usyk was a Scottish fighter, people would not be getting carried away with his technical abilities 'Eastern European fighters are stereotyped continually as being technically more superior or advanced than other fighters' this conditioning, has a impression on people's perceptions.Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 10-05-2020, 01:45 PM.Comment
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I haven't been duped by any media. I know a special fighter when I see one, and Usyk was special at 200lbs. Whether he'll cut it with some of the much bigger guys at HW remains to be seen.
I'm not going to argue about your opinions on EE fighters, though they do seem biased to me. But just sticking to the facts - Ali was not bigger than 6' 3" and Usyk doesn't need to body build in order to weigh more than 200lbs.
He walks around at 200+ and uses weights as part of his S&C regime, as do many other boxers nowadays.Comment
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Clearly you've never familiarized yourself with George Foreman, and lack the personal experience with Boxing to understand basic S&C strategy.
Look at fighters today. Look at fighters from the turn of the last century. They're more robust than Boxers of the Golden Age. It's pretty clear, especially if you've Wrestled and played Football, that Boxing is an aerobic sport; fighters make an effort to avoid gaining excessive muscle mass. Muscle mass, generally, is taxing. You need oxygen to make muscles work. While you can make muscles bigger rather easily, there's a limit to the extent of lung capacity. So fighters, traditionally, kept relatively low muscle mass. For guys like Pep, Robinson, Conn, Charles, this is definitely true: they were fighting 15 rounders usually as frequently as every other month, and having to make weight ringside, or only several hours before.
While Foreman came out of that tradition (he was trained by **** Saddler, brother to Sandy, and tutored by Archie Moore) Usyk doesn't fight under those conditions. It makes sense for him to increase muscle mass. And then, by cutting weight, maximize any weight advantage he might be able to bring into the ring.
We saw what George looked like when he didn't care about coming in lean. His style changed, though. Clearly, he wasn't perfectly fit. Nor was he as effective as he had been in his youth. But it's clear that George had kept himself very lean and avoided accruing unnecessary muscle mass in his youth, and for obvious reaso.Comment
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