Would Usyk school a prime "Big George" Foreman

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  • kafkod
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    #11
    Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony
    Foreman either gets him early or loses, most likely by decision. Usyk has a hell of a tank.
    I agree with this.

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      #12
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
      There is a size difference, THERE are plenty of ectomorphs who attend gyms and pump themselves over 200 pounds.

      George Foreman like most of the heavyweights from the 60's-70's, did not approach the sport of boxing with the goal of? Body building in their training camps etc

      George Forman has a bigger frame than Usyk, and his muscle mass is more original 'He is a bigger man than Usyk'.

      Uysk gets it by all the fighters he faces, his speed is nothing special 'He is just a well rounded solid fighter, he has no defining great attribute'.
      Usyk had to cut weight to make 200lbs. Foreman is naturally bigger, but not by much. Not by enough for it to make a difference significant to the outcome of a fight between them.

      Usyk's defining attributes are speed, mobility, skills, stamina and chin. There have been very few fighters of Usyk's size who could move like him, with his kind of speed and punch output, for the duration of a championship fight. The only two I can think of are Ali and Holmes, and Foreman lost to one of them.

      Worth mentioning here that Usyk's physical stats are identical to prime Ali - 6' 3", 78" reach, 210/215 walk around weight.

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        #13
        Prime Big George was incredibly overrated so yes. Sloppy, slow, poor stamina and much chinnier than his fat and old version of himself. Usyk would have a field day with him. Boxing has advanced a lot since George was around. Otherwise you wouldn't have had a guy like Joe Frazier having such success at the elite level with his one good arm and eye. George exposed how one dimensional Joe was.
        Last edited by BoloShot; 10-05-2020, 07:37 AM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
          Usyk is 6'3" and 215

          Big George was 6'4" around 220

          Not much of a size difference, and Usyk has handled brutal punchers like Bredis and Gassiev who are all over 220lb on fight night

          I don't see how Big George handles a guy as quick and skilled
          George would destroy him.

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            #15
            Usyk is between a Bob Foster and George Foreman in body type. More robust than the former, more gracile than the latter.

            Foreman really boiled down to make 215.

            While Usyk cut to make 200, it was only after bulking up.

            I'm not sure Usyk is evasive enough to beat Foreman. The Young fight is slightly misleading. Foreman was a broken man. And he didn't arrive to Puerto Rico far enough in advance to acclimate to the climate. I'll also add that Young's overall inferiority to Usyk doesn't exclude certain advantages. Young was larger than Usyk, and not as cheeky. A better version of Foreman probably stops Young. Probably, not definitely.

            Usyk should be a favorite against guys like Louis, Marciano, Liston, Quarry, Spinks and Holyfield. But prime Foreman is probably a bridge too far. Right now. If he fills out any then he might not be too delicate after all. But as it stands, I pick Foreman to cut him down midrounds.

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              #16
              Originally posted by BoloShot
              Prime Big George was incredibly overrated so yes. Sloppy, slow, poor stamina and much chinnier than his fat and old version of himself. Usyk would have a field day with him. Boxing has advanced a lot since George was around. Otherwise you wouldn't have had a guy like Joe Frazier having such success at the elite level with his one good arm and eye. George exposed how one dimensional Joe was.
              Usyk hasn't fought anyone with Foreman's out-put and effectiveness at cutting off the ring.

              And Usyk isn't Willie Pep. He's more of a modern Billy Conn.

              The size disparity is too much.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kafkod
                Usyk had to cut weight to make 200lbs. Foreman is naturally bigger, but not by much. Not by enough for it to make a difference significant to the outcome of a fight between them.

                Usyk's defining attributes are speed, mobility, skills, stamina and chin. There have been very few fighters of Usyk's size who could move like him, with his kind of speed and punch output, for the duration of a championship fight. The only two I can think of are Ali and Holmes, and Foreman lost to one of them.

                Worth mentioning here that Usyk's physical stats are identical to prime Ali - 6' 3", 78" reach, 210/215 walk around weight.
                Usyk bulks up to make 200.

                In the 70's he would've been a Light Heavyweight.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
                  Usyk hasn't fought anyone with Foreman's out-put and effectiveness at cutting off the ring.

                  And Usyk isn't Willie Pep. He's more of a modern Billy Conn.

                  The size disparity is too much.
                  The size disparity doesn't exist what are you talking about? George was not a big heavyweight by today's standards.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
                    Usyk bulks up to make 200.

                    In the 70's he would've been a Light Heavyweight.
                    Incorrect, he boiled down to cruiserweight. Usyk was a big cruiserweight. Young George would be a cruiserweight nowadays. Also his pressure was sloppy and his output would've been nullified by Usyk's extremely sharp countering ability and cutting of angles. His guard is also ridiculously good. He has better defence than anyone George faced ever. Usyk would embarrass George and punish his incredible sloppiness ala Murat Gassiev who I'd liken to Foreman being the same size and with similar power and output. Except Gassiev is even faster than him and has a better tank.
                    Last edited by BoloShot; 10-05-2020, 08:42 AM.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
                      Usyk is between a Bob Foster and George Foreman in body type. More robust than the former, more gracile than the latter.

                      Foreman really boiled down to make 215.

                      While Usyk cut to make 200, it was only after bulking up.
                      Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
                      Usyk bulks up to make 200.

                      In the 70's he would've been a Light Heavyweight.
                      Lol ...what bizarre comments these are!

                      Why on earth would Foreman "boil down to make 215", when he didn't need to make 215?

                      And why on earth would would a sub 200lb guy bulk himself up to 210/215, then boil back down to 200 in order to make weight?

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