Would Usyk school a prime "Big George" Foreman

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Nobody 'schools' prime George without going through hell first, the hell nobody in this current division is able to inflict.

Nobody huh klits would lennox fury Anthony bowe the man in topic tom would and mutiple others george wasn't hard to outbox or land shots all of these dudes either would land first and more or would just destroy him cause of the punch angle variety

george isnt on these guys level either tech hand speed or body movement why your thinking he was is is beyond me

Ali for a fact in his 60s ver would easily outbox him and make him look foolish same as jim did remember him a mid level fighter

Left out ron who hurt george in the 1st round and had George ready to fall showed how weak to hard shots george was you crazy idiots always leave that match out and that round and the rounds after like george had it easy oh he won what about before he won it went like I said he was hurt bad so that puts your lie of needing to go through hell with george

90s they would had stopped that match early stopped for georges health with ron had it been there


George didnt change his style in 90s to fight smarter and to not cut back weight for no reason he knew that trash style and that small weight he used in his young years would lead to him being destroyed by those 90s big dudes

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One fighters pumps himself up to 215 pounds, another fighters boils down to 215-224 pounds.

They are not the same size. Those are the facts.

Foreman's musculature is clearly more dense, I also bet you his fists and bones are bigger.

Usyk has pumped himself up to heavyweight, he is not a solid heavyweight by default.

Your right its not the same body but people bodies are different but I dont understand why you said how george stayed in hw you must not know thats its hws like the great holy who did great at hw and canelo yea canelo isn't at a hw but he has fought in mutiple weights so why are you saying that like as if a person can't fight good in a certain class when they started from a lower one

Cause if you wanna play that we could drop george in his 70s body to the 90s and we would see him fall or be koed cause of his style and weakness to hard shots
his 90s body was way tougher cause of the weight and how he fought smarter

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One fighters pumps himself up to 215 pounds, another fighters boils down to 215-224 pounds.

They are not the same size. Those are the facts.

Foreman's musculature is clearly more dense, I also bet you his fists and bones are bigger.

Usyk has pumped himself up to heavyweight, he is not a solid heavyweight by default.

With respect, nothing you wrote there is based on facts or evidence.

It's all pure speculation on your part. What evidence is there for prime Foreman boiling down during training camps? Even in the lighter divisions, where guys needed to make weight, with fight day way-ins, boiling down before fights was not as prevelant during the 70s as it is today. 70's heavyweights were not boiling down in training camps. Especially not the young guys like prime Foreman. Why would they need to do that when they didn't need to make weight?

Do you have a single piece of evidence to back up your opinion that prime Foreman boiled down and lost significant weight during training camps?

On the other hand it is very well known that Usyk, while fighting at cruiserweight, was cutting weight by calorie restriction during camps, then drying out on the day of the weigh-in to make 200lbs, before entering the ring around 210/215lbs. There are numerous examples of him and his trainers talking about this process on video.

We also know for a fact that, after moving up to heavyweight, Usyk was walking around over 230lbs. He was filmed stepping on the scales on his first day of camp for the AJ fight, and his weight then was 231lbs. So Usyk actually lost 11lbs while training for AJ.

Look at the images I posted of Usyk weighing in for AJ and Foreman weighing in for Ali. Usyk was 221lbs and Foreman was 220lbs. They are the same height, around the same weight, and they look equally ripped and muscular.

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He seems to put in a lot of BODY work. You know the kind of work that takes away your LEGS. What's Usyk's punch resistance like for 15 rounds, LOL.

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''Big'' George was never known for his boxing prowess. His chin was solid. His tank and technique......yeesh. His power was real and I don't know if Syk could take it or avoid it.

this right here. qft

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He seems to put in a lot of BODY work. You know the kind of work that takes away your LEGS. What's Usyk's punch resistance like for 15 rounds, LOL.

Foreman never went 15 rounds in his career.

70's Foreman only went 12 rounds once, against the smaller, faster Jimmy Young, and he lost that fight on points after gassing and going down from sheer exhaustion in the final round.

Sorry to keep bringing awkward facts into this discussion, but prime Foreman was not the invincible monster that some people make him out to be.

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With respect, nothing you wrote there is based on facts or evidence.

It's all pure speculation on your part. What evidence is there for prime Foreman boiling down during training camps? Even in the lighter divisions, where guys needed to make weight, with fight day way-ins, boiling down before fights was not as prevelant during the 70s as it is today. 70's heavyweights were not boiling down in training camps. Especially not the young guys like prime Foreman. Why would they need to do that when they didn't need to make weight?

Do you have a single piece of evidence to back up your opinion that prime Foreman boiled down and lost significant weight during training camps?

On the other hand it is very well known that Usyk, while fighting at cruiserweight, was cutting weight by calorie restriction during camps, then drying out on the day of the weigh-in to make 200lbs, before entering the ring around 210/215lbs. There are numerous examples of him and his trainers talking about this process on video.

We also know for a fact that, after moving up to heavyweight, Usyk was walking around over 230lbs. He was filmed stepping on the scales on his first day of camp for the AJ fight, and his weight then was 231lbs. So Usyk actually lost 11lbs while training for AJ.

Look at the images I posted of Usyk weighing in for AJ and Foreman weighing in for Ali. Usyk was 221lbs and Foreman was 220lbs. They are the same height, around the same weight, and they look equally ripped and muscular.

It is common knowledge that all the heavyweights in the 70's and going back boiled down to their fight weight.There was no body building culture in the sport during that era.

I am not even going to expand any further on that point.

Usyk looks like a guy who has pumped himself up to heavyweight, anybody who is honest? Can clearly see that George Foreman is naturally a bigger fighter.

It is up to yourself what you want to believe.

I am done with this thread.

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It is common knowledge that all the heavyweights in the 70's and going back boiled down to their fight weight.There was no body building culture in the sport during that era.

I am not even going to expand any further on that point.

Usyk looks like a guy who has pumped himself up to heavyweight, anybody who is honest? Can clearly see that George Foreman is naturally a bigger fighter.

It is up to yourself what you want to believe.

I am done with this thread.

You have 2 guys who are the same height, same reach, same weight, same ripped, muscular build ... but one looks like he's boiled down and the other looks like he's pumped up.

Why? I really don't get it.

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Foreman never went 15 rounds in his career.

70's Foreman only went 12 rounds once, against the smaller, faster Jimmy Young, and he lost that fight on points after gassing and going down from sheer exhaustion in the final round.

Sorry to keep bringing awkward facts into this discussion, but prime Foreman was not the invincible monster that some people make him out to be.

Well I explained that mutiple times to these crazy idiots that he was slow easy to read they don't get that look at how he fought so basic slow and sloopy

He can beat usyk yea right

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Well I explained that mutiple times to these crazy idiots that he was slow easy to read they don't get that look at how he fought so basic slow and sloopy

He can beat usyk yea right

Foreman boxed the same way he hit the heavy bag, he would never get away with that against modern fighters.