After getting into UFC, boxing has become so boring

[RyanjLarose]

So, outside of handing guys like Bader a payday, the **** are you arguing for?

UFC is real competitive, so competitive their HWs need LHW to bring a threat to their HW champ. Super-duper competitive.

its because only bellator will benefit from a joint venture...whats ufc got to gain ? theyre already number 1

[brettWall]

Boxers strategy to “marinate” fights so they can keep their “0” and tout themselves the best is what has ultimately been the cause of steep decline for boxing. In addition to that, the atrociously awful judging.
And, too many “points fighters”, not enough warriors.

UFC doesn’t marinate any FOOKING fights. Mfers get knocked out in the first round.

Marination pays brotha. It's like saving money in the bank with huge interest.

[TMLT87]

Lesnar wasn't even the most popular MMA HW fighter you moron. That would be emalianenko..

Fedor fought in Japan and then in what were considered (rightly or wrongly) B leagues in America. He was widely regarded as the no1 HW amongst hardcore fans for a long while but was never a major star outside of Japan and Russia. Thats why the two Affliction PPVs he main evented in America did like -200k buys while at the same time Brock was getting 1m+ in the UFC.

He'll you could argue that outside McGregor, khabib and rousey maybe those pride fighters were and are more popular than any UFC fighter

Again, see above. Those Pride events WERE pretty damn big...IN JAPAN. Sakuraba was a household name over there while the majority of modern MMA fans likely have no idea who he is. Its apples to oranges comparing it to the UFC because its popularity was so regional. I was a massive Pride nuthugger back then too so know first hand how obscure it was to the wider world at the time.

Klitschko has far more followers on social media.

FB: Brock 9.4m/Wlad 1.8m
Twitter: Brock 1.4m/Wlad 436.8k
IG: Brock: doesnt have one/Wlad 580k

His fights vs Haye, Povetkin, Fury, joshua were watched by hundreds of millions people worldwide.

Imagine actually believing this hyperbolic bull**** lmfao. If you combined the total viewership of those fights i'm still not sure "hundreds of millions" watched.

He dated a Hollywood star. Was in Hollywood movies

And yet strangely was never on PPV in America and only competed there a few times. You'd think promoters would want to put such n (allegedly) huge star where he could generate the most money.

Also, main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias, having a stint in the NFL and generating over 7 million American PPV buys does more for your profile than ****ing Hayden Panettierre and being on camera for 20 seconds in Oceans Eleven, ffs ive seen the movie and didnt even remember the ****ing guy being in it.

[Szef]

Fedor fought in Japan and then in what were considered (rightly or wrongly) B leagues in America. He was widely regarded as the no1 HW amongst hardcore fans for a long while but was never a major star outside of Japan and Russia. Thats why the two Affliction PPVs he main evented in America did like -200k buys while at the same time Brock was getting 1m+ in the UFC.



Again, see above. Those Pride events WERE pretty damn big...IN JAPAN. Sakuraba was a household name over there while the majority of modern MMA fans likely have no idea who he is. Its apples to oranges comparing it to the UFC because its popularity was so regional. I was a massive Pride nuthugger back then too so know first hand how obscure it was to the wider world at the time.



FB: Brock 9.4m/Wlad 1.8m
Twitter: Brock 1.4m/Wlad 436.8k
IG: Brock: doesnt have one/Wlad 580k



Imagine actually believing this hyperbolic bull**** lmfao. If you combined the total viewership of those fights i'm still not sure "hundreds of millions" watched.



And yet strangely was never on PPV in America and only competed there a few times. You'd think promoters would want to put such n (allegedly) huge star where he could generate the most money.

Also, main eventing multiple Wrestlemanias, having a stint in the NFL and generating over 7 million American PPV buys does more for your profile than ****ing Hayden Panettierre and being on camera for 20 seconds in Oceans Eleven, ffs ive seen the movie and didnt even remember the ****ing guy being in it.

We are talking WORLDWIDE, I'm not arguing he's more popular in USA obviously he is. Emalianenko is popular in Japan and Europe. USA isn't the world.

My mistake. I googled Brock lesnar instagram and the first account had 50 something K followers.

Klitschko/Haye

An estimated audience of 500 million viewers worldwide watched the main event.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/W...vs._David_Haye

Klitschko/Povetkin

The fight was estimated to generate around 100 million viewers in Europe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Povetkin

Not sure about the Joshua fight numbers. People in 142 countries watched that fight though, so it's pretty safe to assume that at least 100 million people worldwide watched it though I wouldn't be surprised if this fight did better numbers than the Haye fight because it was HUGE.

I can guarantee you that NO Brock Lesnar fight ever did 100 million worldwide, and i would be shocked if 50 million people watched any of his fight.

Despite what Americans said about him during Klitschkos reign, the HW of champion of the world still meant something

The title of UFC HW champ means nothing to anybody but UFC fans

[champion4ever]

MMA is entertaining and exciting and all but it would never replace my love and passion for the sport of boxing no matter how many problems it has.

[TMLT87]

We are talking WORLDWIDE, I'm not arguing he's more popular in USA obviously he is. Emalianenko is popular in Japan and Europe. USA isn't the world.

My mistake. I googled Brock lesnar instagram and the first account had 50 something K followers.

Klitschko/Haye

An estimated audience of 500 million viewers worldwide watched the main event.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/W...vs._David_Haye

Klitschko/Povetkin

The fight was estimated to generate around 100 million viewers in Europe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Povetkin

Not sure about the Joshua fight numbers. People in 142 countries watched that fight though, so it's pretty safe to assume that at least 100 million people worldwide watched it though I wouldn't be surprised if this fight did better numbers than the Haye fight because it was HUGE.

I can guarantee you that NO Brock Lesnar fight ever did 100 million worldwide, and i would be shocked if 50 million people watched any of his fight.

Despite what Americans said about him during Klitschkos reign, the HW of champion of the world still meant something

Youre falling for hyperbolic nonsense. Do you honestly believe Wlad vs Haye got more viewers than Champions League finals and around 5x the viewership of the Superbowl? these are absolutely preposterous claims lol. It did 1.1m PPV buys in the UK (at less than half the price that UFCs cost in America) and thats the biggest boxing market in Europe, and Haye is a Brit.

The title of UFC HW champ means nothing to anybody but UFC fans

This is just romanticization of HW boxing based on the glory days that happened decades ago. People were going "I dont even know who the HW champ is anymore" up until a few years ago. After Lennox/Vitali and RJJ/Ruiz HW boxing faded into obscurity and irrelevance until the Fury/AJ/Wilder thing gained steam. That is a long ****ing time and yes, during a good chunk of that time the UFCs HW title was higher profile, generated more money and mattered more. There are a fair few UFC divisions that you can say the same about compared to their equivalents in boxing right now too, although boxing is doing better at HW atm.

[rickJen]

Marination pays brotha. It's like saving money in the bank with huge interest.

That's true. Spence doesn't even hide it.
Fans want him to fight Crawford now, but he just ignores them.
It's as if nothing will happen along the way, but then, bam,
Mr DUI crashed his car and spent weeks in a hospital.
He got lucky nothing serious happened.
Yes, luck plays a part in postponing fights with the view
they will get bigger and more lucrative.
No regard for things like losing zero, injuries, etc.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I used to work with a few eastern European women, and they told me 'That when the Kiltschko brothers used to fight, their entire families would all get together to support'.

The scope and range of people that the Kiltschko's influenced, was greater than what Brock Lensar achieved. 'Brock Lensar's scope and range was mainly made up of kids, and WWE fans' etc

Wladimir & Vitali Kiltschko where hero's to many, who had a substantial cultural impact during their occupation of the heavyweight division 'By far greater than what Brock Lensar achieved in the UFC'.

[Szef]

Youre falling for hyperbolic nonsense. Do you honestly believe Wlad vs Haye got more viewers than Champions League finals and around 5x the viewership of the Superbowl? these are absolutely preposterous claims lol. It did 1.1m PPV buys in the UK (at less than half the price that UFCs cost in America) and thats the biggest boxing market in Europe, and Haye is a Brit.



This is just romanticization of HW boxing based on the glory days that happened decades ago. People were going "I dont even know who the HW champ is anymore" up until a few years ago. After Lennox/Vitali and RJJ/Ruiz HW boxing faded into obscurity and irrelevance until the Fury/AJ/Wilder thing gained steam. That is a long ****ing time and yes, during a good chunk of that time the UFCs HW title was higher profile, generated more money and mattered more. There are a fair few UFC divisions that you can say the same about compared to their equivalents in boxing right now too, although boxing is doing better at HW atm.

Yes I do.

300 milion people give or take watches CL final which happens every year.

Superbowl nobody cares about except Americans and it also happens every year.

Haye/Klitschko was being talked about for years, and was the first HW superfight since Vitali/Lewis. Of course people tuned in.

This is what UFC fans don't get. HW champ is the most prestigious title in all sports. When people say XXX is the HW champion of the world they're talking about the boxing champ. The history of this sport is the reason why it always bounces back.

You are kidding yourself if you think the UFC HW title mattered more at any point in the past and will matter more in the near future.

[TMLT87]

Yes I do.

300 milion people give or take watches CL final which happens every year.

Superbowl nobody cares about except Americans and it also happens every year.

Haye/Klitschko was being talked about for years, and was the first HW superfight since Vitali/Lewis. Of course people tuned in.

This is what UFC fans don't get. HW champ is the most prestigious title in all sports. When people say XXX is the HW champion of the world they're talking about the boxing champ. The history of this sport is the reason why it always bounces back.

You are kidding yourself if you think the UFC HW title mattered more at any point in the past and will matter more in the near future.

Again, 1.1m PPV buys in David Hayes home country, lets be kind and just say 3 people were in front of the tv in each household, so 3.3m people which would be just under 1 in 20 people in the UK watching, in a major boxing market with one of their own competing. Where the **** do the other 496.7m viewers come from? even if the ENTIRE combined population of Russia and Eastern Europe watched it we would still be over 100 million short, add the entire population of Germany, still not covered.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the UFC HW title was being contested on US PPV in places like the MGM. No anecdotal bull**** about the world stopping to watch Wlad vs Pianeta, or how much of a cultural event David Haye vs Audley Harrison was, or insane borderline impossible claims of 1 billion people watching Valuev/Ruiz. Just actual hard numbers and the telling fact that the no1 sports market with the most money generating potential was hosting HW MMA, not HW boxing.