How anyone can watch MMA/UFC is literally beyond me.

[TMLT87]

It'd probably go like this.




No idea how anyone can diss BJJ from a street fight perspective? It was developed as a way for a smaller man/person to disable a larger threat.

Also there's no honor in a street fight, it's about incapacitating the other person in whatever manner.

A man comes at me I'll throw hands, elbows, chokes whatever it take to bring him down.

People tend to greatly overstimate how well their "street" techniques will work in that situation. If you have a bunch of friends who will show up and kick the wrestler/BJJ guy/MMA fighter in the head as hes grappling you? sure. If you have a gun or a knife? sure, if the guy trying to do these things to you is an average Joe that watched the UFC a few times and has no real idea how the techniques are supposed to be done properly (which, to be fair, is often going to be the case)? again, sure. But if its a 1 v 1 unarmed fight against an actual trained grappler and you're expecting to be able to bite, gouge, hair pull, finger snap and ball punch your way out of it? you're probably going to end up badly disappointed and badly hurt.

Take the armbar specifically,if its properly locked in your other (ie non snapping) arm is getting pinned down by their legs, along with your chest/shoulder area, and their hips are close to your body. So you cant turn inwards towards them or sit up because of that, you also cant turn outwards because its adding more leverage to them snapping your ****ing arm off. You obviously arent doing any deadly ninja eye gouge or ball punch **** because you have no ****ing arms left to do anything with. The only viable thing left that a random untrained person might be able to do is roll backwards, but even if you manage that the likelihood of actually breaking/compromising the hold is slim. And even if by that slim chance you DO somehow do it, what next? high level grapplers move like ****ing cats on the ground, they'd just immediately transition into another attack before you had a clue what was going on.


I saw this vid recently of some random "I watch UFC so know ****" guy getting exposed. I dunno what level of BJJ the other guy is at but hes a 1-1 MMA fighter, so a nobody really. But it illustrates just how out of their depth an average Joe is in that situation. And this is a guy that probably thinks he knows some ****. And MMA/BJJ guy is going easy on him allowing him into dominant positions that he'd never be able to get to normally.

[PRINCEKOOL]

How anyone can? Easy. You just stop pretending that boxing is real fighting and boom, MMA becomes appealing all of a sudden.

Boxing is boxing, it has never tried to be real fighting 'Your point is completely irrelevant'.

Boxing is a form of fighting.

And that does not make Mixed Martial Arts suddenly appealing either 'Kids where mocked in my school for kicking and taking fights to the ground' The fights where always broken up when it went to the ground for too long.

There seemed to be a unwritten code of conduct and honor during straighteners in my high-school days 'I participated within martial arts as a kid, but it was always the boxers who where more revered'.

[Mushroom]

One of the problems I see with MMA is that you get these stalemate match ups where both guys are so good at grappling that it doesn’t make much sense going for takedowns because the of the risk/reward.

In these kind of matchups you end up with essentially a sloppy kickboxing match

[TMLT87]

Boxers aren't hard to deal with because their foot work is designed for punching and mobility exclusively.

Yep, a lot of boxing only fans overlook when they watch MMA that the boxing (and overall striking) is adapted for that setting, which is why judging how good their hands seem by directly comparing with straight up queensbury rules boxing doesnt really work. Its just a different game when you're both wearing 4oz gloves and have kicks and takedowns to think about. There are nuances there.

Just admit that you hate that boxing isn't the only gig in town and in 10 years will be the smaller of the 2 combat sports globally (hell i'll argue that MMA is already the dominant combat sport globally now).

Thats the main reason for the MMA hate imho. All the "its not refined" "its barbaric" etc arguments are usually just excuses to justify it. It really just comes down to the fact that in the 90s MMA was not even a blip on boxings radar, now they're on pretty much equal footing. And what makes it worse is they know deep down that the UFC generally delivers the better product. Partly because the rules just naturally make it more exciting, and partly because boxing is governed in such a way that most of the time its just complacently coasting along at 50% of its potential. In truth, if boxing was operating at closer to 100% (ie making the big fights in a timely fashion and putting out quality deep cards) it would probably still be a fair bit ahead of MMA in popularity.

[BKM-]

Boxing is boxing, it has never tried to be real fighting 'Your point is completely irrelevant'.

Boxing is a form of fighting.

And that does not make Mixed Martial Arts suddenly appealing either 'Kids where mocked in my school for kicking and taking fights to the ground' The fights where always broken up when it went to the ground for too long.

There seemed to be a unwritten code of conduct and honor during straighteners in my high-school days 'I participated within martial arts as a kid, but it was always the boxers who where more revered'.

Boxing is the sport of punching. MMA is the sport of fighting. Boxers aren't fighters, it's the most limited full contact combat sport of all.

A 17 year old high school wrestler would take the best boxer in the world and slam him on the concrete in a real fight and win.

Boxing has never tried to be real fighting? So how come boxing insisted on claiming the tag "Baddest man on the planet"?

Boxers have always tried to claim to be the toughest bastards out there instead of being realistic about their severe limitations. The world has woken up on that nonsense, because of that MMA has become so popular and overtaken it in first world countries.

[BKM-]

Yep, a lot of boxing only fans overlook when they watch MMA that the boxing (and overall striking) is adapted for that setting, which is why judging how good their hands seem by directly comparing with straight up queensbury rules boxing doesnt really work. Its just a different game when you're both wearing 4oz gloves and have kicks and takedowns to think about. There are nuances there.



Thats the main reason for the MMA hate imho. All the "its not refined" "its barbaric" etc arguments are usually just excuses to justify it. It really just comes down to the fact that in the 90s MMA was not even a blip on boxings radar, now they're on pretty much equal footing. And what makes it worse is they know deep down that the UFC generally delivers the better product. Partly because the rules just naturally make it more exciting, and partly because boxing is governed in such a way that most of the time its just complacently coasting along at 50% of its potential. In truth, if boxing was operating at closer to 100% (ie making the big fights in a timely fashion and putting out quality deep cards) it would probably still be a fair bit ahead of MMA in popularity.

And it's only going to continue going this pattern, the pandemic has F'd boxing even further.

But no they're only going to continue creating more weightclasses, more useless alphabet titles, more big fights won't get made due to their idiotic politics etc. Boxing is ****ed by its own people, not just MMA.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Boxing is the sport of punching. MMA is the sport of fighting. Boxers aren't fighters, it's the most limited full contact combat sport of all.

A 17 year old high school wrestler would take the best boxer in the world and slam him on the concrete in a real fight and win.

Boxing has never tried to be real fighting? So how come boxing insisted on claiming the tag "Baddest man on the planet"?

Boxers have always tried to claim to be the toughest bastards out there instead of being realistic about their severe limitations. The world has woken up on that nonsense, because of that MMA has become so popular and overtaken it in first world countries.

Boxers are fighters, it is a combat sport 'With the most prestigious history' Mixed Martial arts has had its peak mate, and it has not taken over 'It is not getting any bigger than it is today'.

The goal of any boxer is to render your opponent unconscious, through physical violence such as blunt trauma 'That sounds like fighting to me'.

Nobody cares about the things you are saying 'But in a real fight this and that will happen' These points are completely irrelevant.

Are samurai fighters not fighters, just because they don't wrestle on the ground? Are those guys not tough or brave, because they don't roll about on the floor? You are talking complete and utter nonsense.

Mixed Martial Arts still to date, has not produced mega fights which influence society as a whole. The way people reminisce and remember fights such as Hagler vs Hearns, Duran vs Leonard, Ali vs Frazier these type of pivotal cultural fights do not exist in Mixed Martial Arts.

As quick as the fights are produce in Mixed Martial Arts 'They are then forgotten, why is that BKM?' If mixed Martial arts has taken over completely, how come it is unable to have the same kind of historical impact as boxing? After-all it is the sport of real fighting 'Even still it is boxing has been the only real combat sport that has influenced the heart and minds of society, on unprecedented levels compared to any other combat sport'.

Boxing Champions have been the most revered public figures and athletes in the history of sport 'As quick as champions are made in Mixed Martial Arts they seem to vanish, from the very fabric of reality'.

On a weekly basis how many fights do you get into on the street BKM? None. People who talk like you talk DON'T know what violence is about.

[TMLT87]

Mixed Martial Arts still to date, has not produced mega fights which influence society as a whole. The way people reminisce and remember fights such as Hagler vs Hearns, Duran vs Leonard, Ali vs Frazier these type of pivotal cultural fights do not exist in Mixed Martial Arts.

To be fair, you're talking about fights from the 70s and 80s. A time where boxing was the only game in town and where monumental ratings etc were the norm across all forms of entertainment. Its just a different world today. If you compare the two sports over the last decade, honestly...the gap is closing. Especially over the last 5 years post Floyd/Pac.

[PRINCEKOOL]

To be fair, you're talking about fights from the 70s and 80s. A time where boxing was the only game in town and where monumental ratings etc were the norm across all forms of entertainment. Its just a different world today. If you compare the two sports over the last decade, honestly...the gap is closing. Especially over the last 5 years post Floyd/Pac.

Where are the mega fights, that have the public divided? Where are these big events? Mixed Martial does not produce those type of massive cultural fights 'And I do not know why exactly'.

Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury is a bigger fight than any fight that can be made in mixed martial arts 'I guarantee you it will vividly have a bigger impact' even though the sport is *****ed.

[TMLT87]

Where are the mega fights, that have the public divided? Where are these big events? Mixed Martial does not produce those type of massive cultural fights 'And I do not know why exactly'.

Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury is a bigger fight than any fight that can be made in mixed martial arts 'I guarantee you it will vividly have a bigger impact' even though the sport is *****ed.

Like I said, if you look at the situation over the last 5 years, the gap is not that big. You've got Floyd boxing an MMA fighter, two youtubers boxing each other and then the actual serious fights that got mainstream attention are the Canelo/GGG, Fury/Wilder and AJ/Ruiz fights, and AJ/Wlad. Meanwhile on the MMA side its Conor/Khabib, Conor/Aldo, the Conor/Diaz fights, Ronda/Holm, Ronda/Nunes. Jorge taking Askrens head off got significant mainstream coverage too. In terms of water cooler moments/fights theres not much in it these days. Even in the years before Floyd/Pac the gap was closing.