How anyone can watch MMA/UFC is literally beyond me.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Like I said, if you look at the situation over the last 5 years, the gap is not that big. You've got Floyd boxing an MMA fighter, two youtubers boxing each other and then the actual serious fights that got mainstream attention are the Canelo/GGG, Fury/Wilder and AJ/Ruiz fights, and AJ/Wlad. Meanwhile on the MMA side its Conor/Khabib, Conor/Aldo, the Conor/Diaz fights, Ronda/Holm, Ronda/Nunes. Jorge taking Askrens head off got significant mainstream coverage too. In terms of water cooler moments/fights theres not much in it these days. Even in the years before Floyd/Pac the gap was closing.

None of them MMA fights where mega fights, nobody is talking about them in 10 years time 'Like I have just told you? Mixed Martial Arts for whatever reason has not produced truly global mega fights'.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Lol Jesus bro this is some straw clutching ****. In boxing the biggest money fights AND fights between the two top guys in a division (its often one and the same) get marinated for years on end. Floyd/Pac was the biggest potential fight in boxing for like 6-7 years by the time it actually happened. Canelo/GGG was nowhere near as bad as that but it was still a good 2-3 years of people only wanting to see those two fight each other before it finally went down. In 2017-2018 hype for AJ/Wilder was at fever pitch, but instead of the greedy promoters getting **** done they stalled it until it got derailed. AJ/Fury is the biggest fight in boxing now by a wide margin but look how that has played out so far. We had to wait 15 months between Fury/Wilder 1 + 2 and now five months after the rematch we are waiting on a pretty needless third fight between them while Joshua is fighting Pulev. So likely scenario is 2021 at best we see that fight. People started getting hyped up for Usyk at HW in 2018, we are now in mid 2020 and the extent of his HW run has been fighting Chazz ****ing Witherspoon. Spence/Crawford can be forgiven to some extent because of the crash, but thats another fight that probably should have happened by now. And neither guy has fought Pac yet either even though (with the possible exception of fighting each other) its the biggest fight for both.

If the same applied in the UFC you'd regularly have situations where #1 and #2 in a division were being kept away from each other for years on end.

We're on two different levels.

I'm about BUSINESS. doesn't matter if it's WWE, UFC, BKFC or boxing.

Watching Khabib clamp on a dude's back and ass for 3 minutes is not going to draw new money.

Watching ugly ass Shayna Baszler chase dudes out of the ring is not going to draw new money.

Watching Artie Lobov spark some oil rig worker with bare knuckles is not going to draw new money.

Watching two boxers nobody knows talking respectfully about each other is not going to draw new money.

You know what would draw new money?

- McGregor boxing or bare knuckle fighting anyone else

- Ryan Garcia vs one of the YouTube heartthrobs

- Beefing rappers in either bare knuckle or boxing

- Rachel Ostovich, Paige VanZant, Ariane Lipski, etc. in WWE against Alexa Bliss, Liv Morgan, Peyton Royce, Mandy Rose, Sasha Banks, etc.

- Roy Jones vs. Jon 'Bones' Jones complete with over-the-top entrances

- Tyson vs. any current heavyweight

- Trash talking Floyd vs. anyone

Etc etc etc. Those draw new money if you promote them as the main event.

THEN you put your Khabibs and your Ferguesons and your Nunes and your Keefs and your Porter's and your Ugas, and your Ortons and your AJ Styles, etc...your Talent, on the co-main. Fill the undercard with your 'eye tests'.

[TMLT87]

None of them MMA fights where mega fights, nobody is talking about them in 10 years time 'Like I have just told you? Mixed Martial Arts for whatever reason has not produced truly global mega fights'.

Lol Conor/Khabib did roughly as many PPV buys as Canelo/GGG 1+2 combined.

This "mega fight" and "people will be talking about it in 10 years" stuff is largely marketing and false perception anyway. Big fights in boxing are so few and far between that when they finally happen they "feel" big even if the actual numbers they do are unremarkable. In MMA its taken for granted because the moment hype for a potential showdown between two fighters starts to gain traction you're probably going to see it happen within 12 months. Then after that attention immediately turns to the winner facing the next highest ranked challenger, and that too will usually happen in a timely fashion. Thats why MMA fans dont need to fixate on the same small handful of big fights for years after they occur, they're seeing good **** constantly.

We're on two different levels.

I'm about BUSINESS. doesn't matter if it's WWE, UFC, BKFC or boxing.

Watching Khabib clamp on a dude's back and ass for 3 minutes is not going to draw new money.

Watching ugly ass Shayna Baszler chase dudes out of the ring is not going to draw new money.

Watching Artie Lobov spark some oil rig worker with bare knuckles is not going to draw new money.

Watching two boxers nobody knows talking respectfully about each other is not going to draw new money.

You know what would draw new money?

- McGregor boxing or bare knuckle fighting anyone else

- Ryan Garcia vs one of the YouTube heartthrobs

- Beefing rappers in either bare knuckle or boxing

- Rachel Ostovich, Paige VanZant, Ariane Lipski, etc. in WWE against Alexa Bliss, Liv Morgan, Peyton Royce, Mandy Rose, Sasha Banks, etc.

- Roy Jones vs. Jon 'Bones' Jones complete with over-the-top entrances

- Tyson vs. any current heavyweight

- Trash talking Floyd vs. anyone

Etc etc etc. Those draw new money if you promote them as the main event.

THEN you put your Khabibs and your Ferguesons and your Nunes and your Keefs and your Porter's and your Ugas, and your Ortons and your AJ Styles, etc...your Talent, on the co-main. Fill the undercard with your 'eye tests'.

Lol, you're going off the deep end here bro. We've gone from the UFC marinates fights as much as boxing does to Paige Van Zandt vs Alexa Bliss. What the ****?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Lol Conor/Khabib did roughly as many PPV buys as Canelo/GGG 1+2 combined.

This "mega fight" and "people will be talking about it in 10 years" stuff is largely marketing and false perception anyway. Big fights in boxing are so few and far between that when they finally happen they "feel" big even if the actual numbers they do are unremarkable. In MMA its taken for granted because the moment hype for a potential showdown between two fighters starts to gain traction you're probably going to see it happen within 12 months. Then after that attention immediately turns to the winner facing the next highest ranked challenger, and that too will usually happen in a timely fashion. Thats why MMA fans dont need to fixate on the same small handful of big fights for years after they occur, they're seeing good **** constantly.




Lol, you're going off the deep end here bro. We've gone from the UFC marinates fights as much as boxing does to Paige Van Zandt vs Alexa Bliss. What the ****?

Boxing has a broader range of viewers, mixed martial arts will be popular only with its target audience. It has not produce mega fights where a vast demographic all have a opinion, boxing has and its big fights still produce this effect 'That is why as a whole, boxing fights still from my perception seem bigger'.

Leading up to the Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Junior II, there where 50-60 year old women who spoke about this fight to me personally 'One women who I just passed by as I was heading into town, asked me what I was up-to? I told her that I would be watching the Anthony Joshua fight tonight, she then explained she was unable to watch the fight due to being in work etc

Note: I don't go around talking about boxing to people on the streets, in general 'I don't care'. But out there on the streets, when I was within the city center 'Anthony Joshua's rematch with Andy Ruiz Junior felt overall bigger than Conor Mcgregor vs Khabib'.

Nobody remembers anything about the Conor Mcgregor vs Khabib fight, GREAT promotion 'Spectacular event'. But did that fight take you on a journey? No. For some unknown measurable reason, Mixed Martial Arts does not produce real mega global fights.

As quick as they are produce, they vanish 'Mean nothing'.

[Combat Talk Radio]

We've gone from the UFC marinates fights as much as boxing does to Paige Van Zandt vs Alexa Bliss. What the ****?

Because as I said, we're on two different levels.

The marinating is the marinating. It doesn't matter if it's years or months.

Certain fighters draw money.

When those fighters lose, the casual fans want to see the rematch.

YOU as a hardcore don't care, because you care about the 'eye tests' and the ones who don't draw money.

I'm saying, those fighters who draw money should be the main event, no matter what they're doing.

YOUR fighters should be the undercard.


Then it wouldn't matter about marinating, because there wouldn't be any, because they would draw new money, which results in higher paydays, which is the incentive for them to get in the ring (no matter WHAT ring).

Get it? BUSINESS. Not hardcore.

[paulf]

Its a much better product than boxing (quality of matchups, exciting vs boring fights, etc) due to UC having a de facto monopoly, but nothing will ever come close to my love for boxing.

Boxing is like our gorgeous ex-wife that has two felonies and put us on child support. We've been split up for fifteen years, but we have children together and still make sweet, sweet love a couple times a year. MMA is that hot young thing that's a fun time, but you know is just temporary fun.

[TMLT87]

Boxing has a broader range of viewers, mixed martial arts will be popular only with its target audience. It has not produce mega fights where a vast demographic all have a opinion, boxing has and its big fights still produce this effect 'That is why as a whole, boxing fights still from my perception seem bigger'.

Leading up to the Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Junior II, there where 50-60 year old women who spoke about this fight to me personally 'One women who I just passed by as I was heading into town, asked me what I was up-to? I told her that I would be watching the Anthony Joshua fight tonight, she then explained she was unable to watch the fight due to being in work etc

Note: I don't go around talking about boxing to people on the streets, in general 'I don't care'. But out there on the streets, when I was within the city center 'Anthony Joshua's rematch with Andy Ruiz Junior felt overall bigger than Conor Mcgregor vs Khabib'.

None of these anecdotes lead to actual tangible numbers. You say that boxing has a broader range of viewers and yet its not reflected with larger viewing figures on traditional television and certainly not when it comes to online engagement through Youtube etc. You say casuals in the street were talking about AJ/Ruiz 2 but it was on a cheap streaming service in multiple major markets including the US, Japan, Canada, Brazil, Germany and Italy and got a combined total viewership of 1.8 million viewers from them, while Conor/Khabib did 2.4m in the US alone with a $65 price tag.

Likewise if you go on Youtube, the highest viewed AJ/Ruiz related vid garnered 12m views in the 11 months since its been uploaded. The Conor/Khabib fight was uploaded a month ago and is at 19m already. Same thing if you search Canelo/GGG, Fury/Wilder etc.

Nobody remembers anything about the Conor Mcgregor vs Khabib fight, GREAT promotion 'Spectacular event'. But did that fight take you on a journey?

Did Floyd/Pac take you on a journey? that was the biggest, most anticipated boxing match since the 90s, and it was marinated for 5+ years.

[/B] For some unknown measurable reason, Mixed Martial Arts does not produce real mega global fights.

Except its not "measurable" because over the last decade the UFC has produced multiple fights that measurably did comparable or better numbers than many of the biggest boxing fights over the same time period.

As quick as they are produce, they vanish 'Mean nothing'.

This is just a roundabout way of admitting what I said before. MMA fans are able to move on very quickly because they dont have to endure their big names/champions fighting nobodies for years before they see them in another big fight. With boxing we spend years hyping up a fight, comparing performances between the two fighters, talking about who is ducking who etc, then when they finally face each other we might get a rigged draw so we can talk about it for another year or more as we wait for a rematch. The UFC does not operate like that, and thats not a bad thing.

[HitmanTommy]

Watching two boxers nobody knows talking respectfully about each other is not going to draw new money.

[baroidi]

early UFCs were fun to watch, minimal rules, even nut shots were legal. Gracie was basically the only person who used the guard game, so there was very little prolonged dry humping. Then the wrestlers came into the game, now dry humping is a big part of the game. The promoters figured out that the fans don't enjoy watching sweaty men dry humping each other and stand up was implemented.

[Smash]

"How anyone can watch MMA/UFC is literally beyond me"

The way i usually do it is first of all order the ppv or copy file to disk/usb, turn on tv and switch to correct channel or play fight file and enjoy!