How anyone can watch MMA/UFC is literally beyond me.

[PRINCEKOOL]

None of these anecdotes lead to actual tangible numbers. You say that boxing has a broader range of viewers and yet its not reflected with larger viewing figures on traditional television and certainly not when it comes to online engagement through Youtube etc. You say casuals in the street were talking about AJ/Ruiz 2 but it was on a cheap streaming service in multiple major markets including the US, Japan, Canada, Brazil, Germany and Italy and got a combined total viewership of 1.8 million viewers from them, while Conor/Khabib did 2.4m in the US alone with a $65 price tag.

Likewise if you go on Youtube, the highest viewed AJ/Ruiz related vid garnered 12m views in the 11 months since its been uploaded. The Conor/Khabib fight was uploaded a month ago and is at 19m already. Same thing if you search Canelo/GGG, Fury/Wilder etc.




Did Floyd/Pac take you on a journey? that was the biggest, most anticipated boxing match since the 90s, and it was marinated for 5+ years.



Except its not "measurable" because over the last decade the UFC has produced multiple fights that measurably did comparable or better numbers than many of the biggest boxing fights over the same time period.



This is just a roundabout way of admitting what I said before. MMA fans are able to move on very quickly because they dont have to endure their big names/champions fighting nobodies for years before they see them in another big fight. With boxing we spend years hyping up a fight, comparing performances between the two fighters, talking about who is ducking who etc, then when they finally face each other we might get a rigged draw so we can talk about it for another year or more as we wait for a rematch. The UFC does not operate like that, and thats not a bad thing.

They move on quickly, because the fights have no substance.

The UFC has had its peak mate 'At the end of the day, that is what you need to realize'. 10-12 years ago, Joe Rogan stated that the UFC was going to swallow boxing 'That has not happened'.

I predict that the fighters will be the ones that will destroy the UFC 'They will rebel, and want to operate under a more ********ic free trade business model' It will be destroyed from the inside out just like the soviet Union.

[TMLT87]

They move on quickly, because the fights have no substance.

What do you actually mean by this? what "substance" does a boxing match have that an MMA fight doesnt?

[Combat Talk Radio]

early UFCs were fun to watch, minimal rules, even nut shots were legal. Gracie was basically the only person who used the guard game, so there was very little prolonged dry humping. Then the wrestlers came into the game, now dry humping is a big part of the game. The promoters figured out that the fans don't enjoy watching sweaty men dry humping each other and stand up was implemented.

Pride FC. That was a perfect example of ENTERTAINING MMA. Business. No drug testing, just let them go out there and throw / kick for the fences.

UFC used to be good, but the entertainment is now with rogue refs that stop fights late. McGregor is the only real "draw" they have left and even he got choked out.

People that are fans, cool. But you can't sit here with a straight face and say that it's really any better now than it was years ago.

Say what you will about MayPac: both guys are known around the world. Nobody outside "the bubble" can name UFC fighters besides McGregor. That's because they fail as a BUSINESS.

[TMLT87]

McGregor is the only real "draw" they have left and even he got choked out.

Nobody outside "the bubble" can name UFC fighters besides McGregor. That's because they fail as a BUSINESS.

You say this but then you've got Jorge/Usman just now drawing the same buyrate as Canelo/GGG. And the UFC in general is a more consistent PPV draw than boxing.

People that are fans, cool. But you can't sit here with a straight face and say that it's really any better now than it was years ago.

This I actually agree with. In terms of entertainment value it peaked in the 00s through to the very early 10s. Once the UFC was embraced by the major networks it just wasnt the same. Not to mention the rapid increase in cards and divisions which lead to oversaturation. Then WMMA, the Reebok deal and USADA on top of that.

Still though, even now its overall a much better product than boxing. And whatever decline MMA has had, boxings has been a thousand times worse.

[PRINCEKOOL]

What do you actually mean by this? what "substance" does a boxing match have that an MMA fight doesnt?

Boxing is a sport born out of romance, a violent yet honorable sport 'When two fighters are evenly matched collide and are willing to risk it all? The fights still have the ability to take you on a journey, that for me Mixed Martial Art fights have not been able to duplicate' ever in their history.

If Mixed Martial Arts and the UFC is dominating boxing so much, which may be true statistically 'Tell me why, the sport has yet still to produce the Mixed Martial Arts equivalent of Hagler vs Hearns, Benn vs Eubank, Ali vs Frazier, Barrera vs Morales, Gatti vs Ward, Holyfeild vs Bowe.

People don't move on from these fights because they can't, there are fights in boxing which defined people's lives 'Just like their favorite song, or movie' It takes them back to a time when times where different in their lives.

'When Neil Armstrong took his first steps on the moon, everybody watching in that moment froze in time' It was a defining moment in their lives 'They felt a sense of pride that they where witnessing it, THIS was apart of their generation'. Boxing has had this same effect historically, the UFC for whatever reason has still yet to duplicate this phenomenon.

'F**ck your statistics mate, and your fancy new age mathematics 'Not everything in life is a statistic'.

There are women with their t*ts out on social media with millions of followers, but as quick as they come 'Quick as they go' That is the type of culture I see in the UFC, b*tches coming and going.

Note: It is mainly the fans and culture which surrounds the UFC which I dislike. No real beef with the fighters, kind of keep a tab on Conor Mcgregor 'But by the looks of it, Where is he?'.

[BKM-]

Boxers are fighters, it is a combat sport 'With the most prestigious history'

Yes, history. Boxing is an artform that has reached an expiration date due to incompetence from its greedy and corrupt leaders, and sheep-like fools like you who are followers and enabled the corruption.

That is why your entire argument is based on boxing's history, which has nothing to do with my argument, which is about the sport today. The glory days are gone pal. Boxing is mostly crap now.

Living in the past is irrelevant today.

Mixed Martial arts has had its peak mate, and it has not taken over 'It is not getting any bigger than it is today'.

The likes of you never thought it would reach this level, in fact the likes of you thought it was gonna die out well over a decade ago. Here we are today with the tables being turned.

So the likes of you has no clue and cannot be taken seriously when it comes to predictions and assumptions about the sport's futures since you've been wrong every single time.

The goal of any boxer is to render your opponent unconscious, through physical violence such as blunt trauma 'That sounds like fighting to me'.

Nobody cares about the things you are saying 'But in a real fight this and that will happen' These points are completely irrelevant.

They are in fact relevant because one of the reasons people become interested in a combat sport is based on how effective it would be in real life.

It's a no-brainer(kind of like you) that those individuals would go for a style that focuses on every fighting form instead of only limited themselves to their fists.

Mixed Martial Arts still to date, has not produced mega fights which influence society as a whole. The way people reminisce and remember fights such as Hagler vs Hearns, Duran vs Leonard, Ali vs Frazier these type of pivotal cultural fights do not exist in Mixed Martial Arts.

Living in the past is irrelevant today.

As quick as the fights are produce in Mixed Martial Arts 'They are then forgotten, why is that BKM?' If mixed Martial arts has taken over completely, how come it is unable to have the same kind of historical impact as boxing? After-all it is the sport of real fighting 'Even still it is boxing has been the only real combat sport that has influenced the heart and minds of society, on unprecedented levels compared to any other combat sport'.

Boxing Champions have been the most revered public figures and athletes in the history of sport 'As quick as champions are made in Mixed Martial Arts they seem to vanish, from the very fabric of reality'.

Over the last decade MMA has produced more stars and generated bigger fights/cards in first world countries.

On a weekly basis how many fights do you get into on the street BKM? None. People who talk like you talk DON'T know what violence is about.

Because I'm a law abiding citizen who doesn't go out in the streets to pick fights, imagine that. But guarantee you I could handle someone who can only use his punches in a fight, even if he's a pro who dedicated his life to the sport.

And I'm only capable of the basics of MMA, yet I would render his dedication and high level boxing useless. You can't pretend that this doesn't hurt your sport's pride.

So tell me, why did you ignore my point about Boxing trying to claim "the baddest man on the planet" title? Certainly that overrides your earlier claim that boxing has never acted like it was the dominant fighter's sport?

[TMLT87]

Boxing is a sport born out of romance, a violent yet honorable sport 'When two fighters are evenly matched collide and are willing to risk it all? The fights still have the ability to take you on a journey, that for me Mixed Martial Art fights have not been able to duplicate' ever in their history.

So basically just a bunch of subjective romanticism and intangibles, which is pretty much what I was expecting.

Boxing is a sport born out of romance, a violent yet honorable sport 'When two fighters are evenly matched collide and are willing to risk it all? The fights still have the ability to take you on a journey, that for me Mixed Martial Art fights have not been able to duplicate' ever in their history.

If Mixed Martial Arts and the UFC is dominating boxing so much, which may be true statistically 'Tell me why, the sport has yet still to produce the Mixed Martial Arts equivalent of Hagler vs Hearns, Benn vs Eubank, Ali vs Frazier, Barrera vs Morales, Gatti vs Ward, Holyfeild vs Bowe.

People don't move on from these fights because they can't, there are fights in boxing which defined people's lives 'Just like their favorite song, or movie' It takes them back to a time when times where different in their lives.

You're essentially just admitting that right now boxing, like baseball, lives mostly on the romanticization of its past glories. Which is why the most recent thing you name checked happened 17 ****ing years ago.

There are women with their t*ts out on social media with millions of followers, but as quick as they come 'Quick as they go' That is the type of culture I see in the UFC, b*tches coming and going.

I suppose in boxing the b*tch just sticks around fighting bums for years.

[Combat Talk Radio]

You say this but then you've got Jorge/Usman just now drawing the same buyrate as Canelo/GGG. And the UFC in general is a more consistent PPV draw than boxing.



This I actually agree with. In terms of entertainment value it peaked in the 00s through to the very early 10s. Once the UFC was embraced by the major networks it just wasnt the same. Not to mention the rapid increase in cards and divisions which lead to oversaturation. Then WMMA, the Reebok deal and USADA on top of that.

Still though, even now its overall a much better product than boxing. And whatever decline MMA has had, boxings has been a thousand times worse.

I can't agree. Dana may promote better; that's it.

[The D3vil]

Not really seeing the comparison. You're basically arguing that MMA is "lowest common denominator" because it has lots of spectacular KOs and action...like thats a bad thing. Its like some 75 year old baseball fan ****ting on people watching football or basketball because baseball is more "sophisticated" and "cultured"




If its an actual experienced jiu jitsu guy doing it, you'd change your mind pretty quick.

Not really.

At that point I'm hitting him with whatever's closest to me (brick, bottle, chair, whatever).

It's not a real fight anymore once a guy grabs me or hits me in the nuts.

I'm just trying to hurt em at that point.

[The D3vil]

It'd probably go like this.




No idea how anyone can diss BJJ from a street fight perspective? It was developed as a way for a smaller man/person to disable a larger threat.

Also there's no honor in a street fight, it's about incapacitating the other person in whatever manner.

A man comes at me I'll throw hands, elbows, chokes whatever it take to bring him down.

Once a guy tries to grab me, it's no longer a real fight to me, just like if he tries a nut shot, so I'm finding a weapon to fxck him up with, simple as that.

You wanna fight?

Fight me like a man with your hands.