Which nation has the most world champions?

[Citizen Koba]

In the past 10 years most of the PR champions were actually born in the USA. Danny and Cotto being the easiest ones to come to mind.

I know, but Miguel also represented PR internationally as an amateur, so I still say it ain't just black and white. As I said earlier though for these kinda purposes as long as you come up with a consistent ruling - whether that's country of birth or self identified Nationality - it doesn't really matter greatly as long as you state clearly what rules you're working to. In this case I'd likely be inclined to do PR as a separate country which always leaves the option for simply adding the US and PR numbers together later if that's how you choose to use the figures. Just gives more flexibility with the data that way. Same with the UK nationalities too I reckon.

[Marchegiano]

Not quite that simple I think, man, for instance they represent at the Olympics as a separate nation. Its a subject of continued debate best I can tell, with the UN in particular being deeply unhappy with the quasi colonial status of the island. As I understand it Puerto Ricans have effective dual Nationality, but most prefer to identify as citizens of the Island rather than the US. I'd be inclined to go with how each fighter chooses to self identify.... However, it does bring up the related question of whether the nationalities of the UK should all be treated separately with many of our top fighters coming from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

It is a touchy subject for Puerto Ricans. I am a second generation American, my grandfather was the last puerto rican from the island. My father was from michigan despite identifying his entire life as puerto rican, 2011. I was born in florida, my mother is a white woman.

That background covered, I don't think it'd be a very big surprise to learn to most of my family puerto rico is america and they're proud of that star on the flag.

I don't even know if it's true, actually, never looked it up, but, the story goes america gave the puerto ricans that star when they beat up the spanish and claimed puerto rico as its brother.

Proud marines and the like. My grandad was a champion of some kind in the navy. Those sort of cliche american-pr's who love both the island and america.


When I was young I thought the island ricans thought the same way. Appreciated the freedom america gave the island, appreciated the star what represents that freedom.


Of course there are many, many, many islanders who rebuke the entire notion. They don't appreciate their autonomy, they don't want the benefits of being a state, they don't want that star at all. They want their island free of interference of any kind from any nation.

Who am I to say they're wrong? I'm an American, of course I'd rather the island be a state than it's own independent nation.

I separate America and Puerto Rico because no one includes the commonwealth or any other similar union as one.

Of the crown, I think given Queen Liz is head of state in so many nations and what not and no one sees the need to combine them as 'crown' champions or anything of that sort.

Although, that's an interesting one actually, I'll do it soon.

You get my point though, the debate's neither here nor there to me, treating everything equally is a bigger concern.

Russia, I guess is a good counter, they have republics most people never heard of because we all just call them Russians.


Still, for the most part, I think autonomy is respected. If Hong Kong had a champion I wouldn't have him under China....or maybe I would but atm I believe HK is autonomous still?

Anyway, yeah, it's a interesting topic loaded with philosophical stances and nonsense like that.

[Removed Now]

I know, but Miguel also represented PR internationally as an amateur, so I still say it ain't just black and white. As I said earlier though for these kinda purposes as long as you come up with a consistent ruling - whether that's country of birth or self identified Nationality - it doesn't really matter greatly as long as you state clearly what rules you're working to. In this case I'd likely be inclined to do PR as a separate country which always leaves the option for simply adding the US and PR numbers together later if that's how you choose to use the figures. Just gives more flexibility with the data that way. Same with the UK nationalities too I reckon.

Ok fine. USA still has the most champions regardless if we add PR or not.

[KingHippo]

Can you imagine if any other nation had as many champions as the US? We wouldn't hear the end of it.

[Citizen Koba]

Ok fine. USA still has the most champions regardless if we add PR or not.

You're totally misunderstanding my angle, man. I like fighters from everywhere and I sure as hell wasn't trying to somehow 'steal' US fighters as part of some agenda.

I just like deconstructing problems and coming up with the good ways of solving em. Looking at the numbers and seeing what stories they tell. Seriously some kinda nationalistic agenda was the last thing on my mind. Way I see the world we're all just citizens of mother earth and like I said earlier excellence at boxing or anything else don't care about political boundaries.

[KingHippo]

I know, but Miguel also represented PR internationally as an amateur, so I still say it ain't just black and white.

Lennox Lewis represented Canada internationally as an amateur. Born in Britain, British National. British champion.

[Citizen Koba]

Lennox Lewis represented Canada internationally as an amateur. Born in Britain, British National. British champion.

Yeah for sure, there's all kindsa examples, as I keep saying the trick is to find some consistent way of deciding. I mean going by country of birth is probably easiest, but then what do you do with a dude like Lara who has become a US citizen, or say Dogboe who moved to the UK when he was 8? Its a headscratcher... I'm entirely open to suggestions cos there isn't one simple catch all solution. Maybe you could do it by the country in which they learned their craft unless they self identify as a different Nationality? IDK How would you do it?

[famicommander]

Boxing fans are too tribalistic. It shouldn't matter which side of an imaginary line a fighter was born on, what language they speak, what color they are, or what religion they are.

Can they fight? Are they entertaining to watch? Do they pass the bare minimum standard of human decency? These are the questions that should matter when determining who you are a fan of.

[ShoulderRoll]

Boxing fans are too tribalistic. It shouldn't matter which side of an imaginary line a fighter was born on, what language they speak, what color they are, or what religion they are.

Can they fight? Are they entertaining to watch? Do they pass the bare minimum standard of human decency? These are the questions that should matter when determining who you are a fan of.

You hear people brag about the Russian school all the time. Or the Cuban school. Or the Mexican style.

I think the US boxing tradition stands just as high. Higher, in fact, if you look at history.

Americans should be proud of that heritage and preserve it.

[famicommander]

You hear people brag about the Russian school all the time. Or the Cuban school. Or the Mexican style.

I think the US boxing tradition stands just as high. Higher, in fact, if you look at history.

Americans should be proud of that heritage and preserve it.

It makes no sense to be proud of something over which you have no control.

Being born in one country versus another is not an accomplishment. It's just a random event that happened to you without any input on your part.