Which nation has the most world champions?

[Godsfly]

The one thing that I do know is that the Ukraine and Russia have been failers of disappointment in the past years. This was the nation that fanboys from Montana to Utah to delaware claimed would take over boxing and dominate it for hundreds of years to come. its been a complete disappointment considering the high praises from fanboys from Wyoming, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota. What were u guys snorting with these beliefs ��

[Godsfly]

Guy from north Dakota "yea because my great grandfather was Ukrainian. I can't prove that but I somehow feel a spirtal connection with those eastern euros. I sit and beat my cack in north Dakotas cold weather slipping into a all out euphoric trance thinking about how wlad made my people proud here in the u.s. I meant the ukrain, eastern euro dominance baby!!!"

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Every culture and country is unique and different man, all of 'em have heritage and traditions that should be treasured and protected. The problems generally start when folk get to thinking they are superior or entitled in some way.

A lot of it is exceptional?
That kinda suggests what other countries have isn’t exceptional, especially in quantity of whatever it is you’re referring to

Nationalism is a fools game, some cultures are slower to look beyond it than others

Other countries and cultures are free to preserve their own.

I wouldn't expect them to revere our ways or to want to be caretakers of them. That falls to us.

[Citizen Koba]

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Other countries and cultures are free to preserve their own.

I wouldn't expect them to revere our ways or to want to be caretakers of them. That falls to us.

No course you shouldn't man, respect and learn from the heritage of others treasure and preserve what's best in your own, that way everyone benefits. To me it's absurd that any boxing fan shouldn't value and respect the American pugilistic tradtion and all its given us, but there's a deep fighting and boxing culture in many other countries which is also deserving of admiration. What I (and suspect Liam) picked up on is your use of the word 'exceptional' ... When countries or cultures start regarding themselves as exceptional or not to be judged by the same rules or standards as others it becomes problematic.

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No course you shouldn't man, respect and learn from the heritage of others treasure and preserve what's best in your own, that way everyone benefits. To me it's absurd that any boxing fan shouldn't value and respect the American pugilistic tradtion and all its given us, but there's a deep fighting and boxing culture in many other countries which is also deserving of admiration. What I (and suspect Liam) picked up on is your use of the word 'exceptional' ... When countries or cultures start regarding themselves as exceptional or not to be judged by the same rules or standards as others it becomes problematic.

If you look at the history of boxing in America it IS exceptional.

The amount of champions, the amount of trainers, and the amount of styles that we have produced here is unmatched.

It's definitely something to take pride in.

[Citizen Koba]

If you look at the history of boxing in America it IS exceptional.

The amount of champions, the amount of trainers, and the amount of styles that we have produced here is unmatched.

It's definitely something to take pride in.

Taking pride in is cool man, but when any people start bragging or being dismissive of the accomplishments of others it ain't so cool. And FWIW that isn't aimed at you or indeed Marchiagno who best I can tell was simply firing back at comments from someone else. There's a difference between taking pride in something and thinking or telling folk that you're superior.

As I've mentioned several times you work the numbers per capita or per # pro boxers by nation, and titlists or titles held you find that talent is distributed relatively equally through the boxing nations. For me this very diversity (and the underlying implication that human excellence can be found everywhere and boxing talent ain't about where you happen to be born) is a cause of celebration and a sign that boxing has a global future.. in fact I look forward to a time when we might be able to talk about a 'Chinese School' or an Indian School though I ain't holding great hopes well see either in my lifetime.

You're kinda saying Americans are special I'm saying everyone is special.

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Taking pride in is cool man, but when any people start bragging or being dismissive of the accomplishments of others it ain't so cool. And FWIW that isn't aimed at you or indeed Marchiagno who best I can tell was simply firing back at comments from someone else. There's a difference between taking pride in something and thinking or telling folk that you're superior.

As I've mentioned several times you work the numbers per capita or per # pro boxers by nation, and titlists or titles held you find that talent is distributed relatively equally through the boxing nations. For me this very diversity (and the underlying implication that human excellence can be found everywhere and boxing talent ain't about where you happen to be born) is a cause of celebration and a sign that boxing has a global future.. in fact I look forward to a time when we might be able to talk about a 'Chinese School' or an Indian School though I ain't holding great hopes well see either in my lifetime.

You're kinda saying Americans are special I'm saying everyone is special.

I only speak for myself not Marchegiano.

But usually these threads do come from firing back at comments made by someone else. So sometimes you have to speak frankly on the topic and set some things straight.

American boxing history IS special. Not everyone has that tradition and the lineages etc.

It's like the reputation Germans have for engineering. You can't say everyone is special in that area like they are.

Doesn't mean other people aren't capable, it just means a standard has been set that everyone else can try to reach or improve on. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that in my opinion.

[Citizen Koba]

I only speak for myself not Marchegiano.

But usually these threads do come from firing back at comments made by someone else. So sometimes you have to speak frankly on the topic and set some things straight.

American boxing history IS special. Not everyone has that tradition and the lineages etc.

It's like the reputation Germans have for engineering. You can't say everyone is special in that area like they are.

Doesn't mean other people aren't capable, it just means a standard has been set that everyone else can try to reach or improve on. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that in my opinion.

You'll hear no disagreement from me there, man, the story of modern prizefighting over the last century or century and a half is principally an American one and that heritage is unmatched in terms of richness or scale. To acknowledge that boxing talent is distributed globally and that American dominance has lessened as the sport has become more international does not detract from that history in any way, quite the contrary if anything.

[Boxingking1511]

US has the most titles but I wouldnt call it "domination" exactly. Domination is like what the US is to American football. When 8 of the current p4p top 10 are from somewhere other than the US, it isnt dominance.

Whats crazy with America though, is how lopsided it is skewed towards one single demographic that has success. Black America basically has a similar population to Spain yet carries the entire US on its back in the sport. They massively overperform per capita while the other 85% or so of the population massively underperforms.

Not sure why you are using America, that could be said for many other nations. Like France or Germany. Even the UK to some degree.

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I only speak for myself not Marchegiano.

But usually these threads do come from firing back at comments made by someone else. So sometimes you have to speak frankly on the topic and set some things straight.

American boxing history IS special. Not everyone has that tradition and the lineages etc.

It's like the reputation Germans have for engineering. You can't say everyone is special in that area like they are.

Doesn't mean other people aren't capable, it just means a standard has been set that everyone else can try to reach or improve on. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that in my opinion.

Very true, american boxing has 'done it', they have produced the champions over a long peroid and have a fantastic history. But america is also a nation of immigrants, its a rainbow nation with a lot of 1st and 2nd generation boxers contributing a lot too because they were given a shot to make it in boxing and boxing was seen as a way out of poverty for them, a real option. There is also no harm in 'blowing your own trumpet' so to speak, as in letting other nationalities know about the success and americans are pretty good at that too!! ithink the calling other countries or continents bums all the time does go to far at times tho, i kow it works both ways and people oinly tend to notice the stuff in the other direction as well